Topic: whats the point of preserving nations? success doesnt come out of it. (Read 216 times)

more langauges, more nationalism, more nazism, more racism etc.

better have less langauges, so langauges cannot be used as a basis for identity and hatred.

Who want to see peasant moving from one region to another region en masses every single day? Nations and immigration department work to stop idiot peasant from moving whenever disaster strike the earth, all of you peasant need to sacrifice yourself when tornado strike, when corona strike, migrating to the safety is highly illegal, soon hiding in your basement will be illegal too, they will lurk you out from basement to take risk, the cops will have all the arrest warrant on all basement dwellers, they can broke into your basement for all reason and presume guilty until proven innocent on each of you.

and how does printing money and founding of nations make rich?

look at europe, because it consists of many langauges and many nations and many small markets competing against each other it is effectively poorer.

founding nations and preserving them is absolute nonsense. and destroyes development.

national capitalism should be fought against.

This might not be far away since now there are more people waking up to their reality, there are still a lot of workaholic in the USA, and they think that is normal, some people do not even need more money and they just keep working just for the earning money, that's a terrible culture of nonsense.

i have understood something fundamental about life,

there is always a god defined form of sovereignty, even if its not with governments and money market systems and capitalists, it then is being executed by communism, and master servant domination (soviet union)

or religious indoctrination with religiously appointed masters (god appointed)

99% of people are always slaves islam has some great teachings about that, about how many are in hell (slaves) and how few are in heaven (masters&slaveowners)

regards

All that preserving nations means is to make jam or jelly out of them, so that the rich can feed on their sweet savor.

i do know the difference
but i guess the subtle hint skipped you. as it seems the other trolls in this topic and another similar topic dont. so i addressed both purely in hopes which ever version they thought it meant. would atleast poke at them

but the main poke and main context was that a certain other troll has no clue about EU and UK. and many topics of him trying to suggest things fall flat

Please learn the difference between "nationalism" and "nationalization". They are two very different things.

the problem with "bad money management" is that its always bad for those not being billionaires.

Disbanding for financial reasons is simply being conquered by bad money management. They didn't want to do it intentionally. But if they did, it was only the leaders who had this plan ever since they became leaders. The people don't like the idea of being conquered by their leaders or anyone else.

first of all. kingscorpio lacks the talent to understand whats happening in the UK..

but lets do some basic theories with him.

first of all. nationalisation has happened hundreds of years ago. its not something new. its not something up coming.
the UK had nationalisation of rail, electric, telephone, healthcare for a long long long time

the UK was independant nation before WW2
the UK is not moving into new territory/unknowns..

with all that said.
the UK is not going full nazi racist and government communist

infact the UK is actually devolving powers to local districts and even letting foreign companies own utilities like electric, telephone, rail, sewerage

if you think the UK is going to be a trump 'lets build a wall' country. you are wrong.
we will still trade we will still travel we will still diversify. we just wont let other countries tell us how.
we will actually thrive more due to brexit.

stop watching media. and do some research. its almost like your waiting for the stockmarket news to tell you when to buy and sell. but not realise that firstly once it hit the news the news is outdated and people smarter then you have already acted on it. and secondly its just creating a herd mentality aftermath reaction that does the opposite to whats really going on.

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as for preserving nations. well thats the makeup of preserving independant identity and power. again. why want to be a globalist. why want to be controlled by europe.. when it has been shown many times the global/european agenda doesnt always line up with certain nations desires.

nations disband, for financial reasons. compare the USA with europe, many languages suck, they reduce the size of the market. etc.
regards

I think the purpose of nations and their preserving has already been defeated in a world which is now globalized in so many terms. Nations today are just like states with only difference is slight change in laws in their constitutions and a power play of different world leaders enjoying power by luring their respective public. Ethnic bond also plays a crucial role because I think this bond or unity is stronger than any other bond like religion, political spectrum and even "nationality".

You have a good point with this topic. Probably the best thing you can do for yourself - since you know all this - is go out and commit suicide. After all, odds are you are going to die someday, anyway. Why go through all the troubles of life? Take the easy way out, right?

Have you ever heard of a nation - especially a large one - disbanding, on purpose?

Do you wan't global totalitarianism? Because that's how you get global totalitarianism.

I would say the two points are identity and power.

First, identity. Humans evolved in groups, back from when we were primitive primates, we have lived in tribes, and evolution has led us to value our own tribe over others, through genetic kinship bonds and social bonds. You can't define yourself if there is no 'other' against which to be defined. If there are no groups outside your own, then you have no tribal or cultural identity. We are shaped by those we are not. Members of Tribe A will fight to the death to save a fellow against an attack from Tribe B, because Tribe A is "us" and Tribe B is "they", the outsiders, the opposition. As history progresses, traditions and cultures deepen, and tribal/national identity becomes a greater part of who we are. People can be overcome with emotion just at the sight of a flag, because of the history and identity that it represents. It's a way of externalising the self and establishing common bonds.

Second, power. Big things are more powerful than small things. Nations and blocs have negotiating power that smaller groups and individuals do not. They also have greater security, and the sort of internal efficiencies that come with scaling things up to large numbers, allowing for example hyper-specialised jobs.

... but this identification of self with nation obviously has its downsides. It becomes very easy to scapegoat the 'other'. All UK problems it seems were caused by Europeans. A big chunk of US problems caused by Mexicans. Of course it is all political nonsense and misdirection, but evidence that for all the benefits of nations, there are also downsides, wars and genocide and hatred, all going back to Tribe A vs Tribe B hundreds of thousands or millions of years ago on the savannah.

well they form the government to achieve something, the usa was created originally in order to create a nation that is purely focused on fighting internal poverty, religious movements and sects never seeked to acheive that.

in the end the government is simply the highest sovereign, if its not the government its a king or a nobility, ghosts or even an apex predator which humans still can't deal with.

there where times people worshipped huge snakes, and pleased them with victims.

us government currently is the best north america ever had.

It will be really interesting to see what will happen when the people realize how they are being enslaved by the governments, even though they seem free. More guns, so that they are ready when they find out.

na divisions are normal usa also consists of subgroups states etc. but look at brexit brits they cry after EU nations like finland, switzerland etc. whats the use of all those smaller langauges.

I think preserving nations only help corporations, big businesses, people with big desires of control. A lot of documentaries are showing that the more divisions the better for centralized organizations.