What's your plan for the next bull-bear cycle? - page 4.

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Quote from: cellard on October 23, 2018, 07:37:15 PM

Which altcoins would you really risk it at the end of the day? It's an huge risk. Im a big maximalist myself but I also think about risking a small % of BTC trying to hit one of these x10-100x home runs, but at this point in the altcoin market it feels like playing the casino/lottery.

it's definitely saturated right now, that's true. but so was 2017 vs 2014 (the first alt spring). it's also less about saturation of the entire altcoin market and more about what's listed on relevant exchanges. lots of shit tokens and shitcoins don't get ever get listed anywhere---no point worrying about those.

at the moment, i couldn't tell you, because i haven't looked at the alt market in 6+ months. that's a lifetime in crypto. i'll be doing significant research when i see accumulation across the market and the beginnings of a bull run. see what the twittersphere and prominent altcoin miners are watching, hash rate fundamentals, hype/marketing propensity (this is key), supply analysis, sector analysis, etc. i would watch for sector rotation like stock markets; i noticed this in 2017. DEX and privacy coins are two areas i expect to blow up during the next run.

the big gainers are going to be micro-caps and low-caps. i might allocate some portfolio space to large cap coins when the alt spring is in full swing, but i emphasize spreading funds around to <$10-20 million cap coins. the large caps have already seen the "big gains" so their volatility declines, similar to BTC.

some of my coins will go nowhere i'm sure but a couple big trades will eclipse the losses/lack of gains from those. i'm also not worried about "real fundamentals" so much. i'm not looking for long term holds here. i'm just trying to ride pumps while the market is hot.

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Quote from: btc_angela on October 24, 2018, 05:09:39 AM

Good question. I wasn't that holder type though, because I'm one of those who spent bitcoin as money (paying bills thru it or even buying things online if available). Anyways, guess I have a choice now, to earn or purchase even small amounts and wait to make a good profit when the bull run starts next year. Its not late to accumulate as much as we can so see you on the other side of the fence

Very well said regarding this idea, and I wanted to add up an opinion towards the bull bear cycle which we're entitle to be part of the current market situations. Many of us struggled so much, so we need to think of saving those remaining bitcoin's that we had. Unlike what you said here you're a bitcoin spender, and I respected that. All I just want to say here is we should be stable on our principles and never give up with your determinations in order to build that strong foundation of success.

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Quote from: thecodebear on October 23, 2018, 12:34:34 PM

so my plan is to probably sell most of my Bitcoin hopefully averaging just over $100k. ~

i have always sold as much as i needed to and will continue to do the same. i will never sell large amounts just because price is over a certain level! even if it was $10 million i would still sell as much as i needed to. because i believe in the future of bitcoin not just its price. i believe it will reach mass adoption in a sense that you would be able to spend it almost anywhere in the world in any shop so you wouldn't need to sell it!

Personally, I will sell large amounts if I have to do so, and when I see trend changing. I have never had a problem doing that, I have been a trader all my life and I am always taking advantage of the market fluctuations to keep stashing my bitcoin for the long run. At least, it is an edge to always have some knowledge to know how to play the market.

I would not be so fast in selling though, I will be looking at the reaction of the market, and when the bull run will probably start, it is likely we will get towards $200k somehow, and this is when I really want to start selling bit by bit and once I see a trend change, I just offload the rest, and wait to buy lower. Same cycle. If the whales want to play their card, I best just play with them to my own favor.

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Quote from: thecodebear on October 23, 2018, 12:34:34 PM

What's your plan for holding, selling, trading, spending for the next few years now that we will likely be starting a new bull-bear cycle in the next few months?

I think the next peak will be between $100k and $200k and likely occur in 2020, so my plan is to probably sell most of my Bitcoin hopefully averaging just over $100k. Will probably start selling around $80k just to make sure I get some good profits in case the run doesn't go as high as I think. Probably will just keeping 1 Bitcoin for like the long long term (with a plan to spend it on the LN over many years in the 2020s and 2030s). The next bull run should get to my own "moon" prices in which it makes sense to take substantial profits.

Most of what I sell in the coming bull run will go to set myself up financially in the less volatile stock market for the future (hopefully the coming stock market crash & recession will be timed perfectly so the market is still pretty low as Bitcoin is booming so I can take profits and then move into a stock market that is significantly down - in fact the stock market crash could bolster the bitcoin boom as they will likely line up pretty well the next two years). But I will keep some of those profits around to try to buy back at least one Bitcoin in the following crash to sell again during the following bull cycle.

So for me its basically sell most of my Bitcoin, keep a little for years to come to eventually spend when Bitcoin is in use as a currency, and use some profits to play the long term trade game and buy back some on the following crash in a few years.

It depends on price levels (the extent of the bull run) and my personal situation at that time, I have always had to plan to transition a lot of my money in crypto over to a more stable asset at some point if possible but for that I would still need the market to grow quite substantially. Largely now I am invested in high potential return alts so there's a chance I can reach that goal, if I don't then I'm not sure. One thing I am sure of is that whatever happens I will always leave more in crypto than I initially invested because there is still a lot of potential for further growth.

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Good question. I wasn't that holder type though, because I'm one of those who spent bitcoin as money (paying bills thru it or even buying things online if available). Anyways, guess I have a choice now, to earn or purchase even small amounts and wait to make a good profit when the bull run starts next year. Its not late to accumulate as much as we can so see you on the other side of the fence

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Quote from: thecodebear on October 23, 2018, 12:34:34 PM

What's your plan for holding, selling, trading, spending for the next few years now that we will likely be starting a new bull-bear cycle in the next few months?

I think the next peak will be between $100k and $200k and likely occur in 2020, so my plan is to probably sell most of my Bitcoin hopefully averaging just over $100k. Will probably start selling around $80k just to make sure I get some good profits in case the run doesn't go as high as I think. Probably will just keeping 1 Bitcoin for like the long long term (with a plan to spend it on the LN over many years in the 2020s and 2030s). The next bull run should get to my own "moon" prices in which it makes sense to take substantial profits.

Most of what I sell in the coming bull run will go to set myself up financially in the less volatile stock market for the future (hopefully the coming stock market crash & recession will be timed perfectly so the market is still pretty low as Bitcoin is booming so I can take profits and then move into a stock market that is significantly down - in fact the stock market crash could bolster the bitcoin boom as they will likely line up pretty well the next two years). But I will keep some of those profits around to try to buy back at least one Bitcoin in the following crash to sell again during the following bull cycle.

So for me its basically sell most of my Bitcoin, keep a little for years to come to eventually spend when Bitcoin is in use as a currency, and use some profits to play the long term trade game and buy back some on the following crash in a few years.

This your level of optimism is something that I cannot imagine. Its really rare to see. While its nice to be optimistic about the situation of things, I think its also important to be weary of the reality that surrounds such proposition. Currently we have been grappling with the $6000+ for months now and there is no sign that we are moving forward on that. To then now start to imagine a price of $100K in 2 years is not only farfetched but also means avoiding the reality.

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I have lost confidence in the arrival of the bull market. I am ready to deal with the long-term bear market, trading daily and focusing more on bounty activities than on long-term trading!

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I don't see any reasons why I should change anything in my strategies so I would stick to the same strategy that I have had for the past 4+ years that I have been involved with bitcoin. and that is to accumulate more, sell some only when I see the bubble and the inevitable correction (drop) of it. and buy back what I sold and sometimes even more at the bottom of the dip so that I have not touched the initial investment and I take the profit out only.
additionally I will continue enjoying the altcoin pump and dumps as they increase my small bitcoin wealth more and more.

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My plan is to earn as much bitcoins as possible and HODL.
I will sell only if the bitcoin price goes above last years ATH.
I should be more focused on my fiat money earning activities,like affiliate/CPA marketing and my SEO business.
This will help me buy more bitcoins in the near future.

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Quote from: thecodebear on October 23, 2018, 12:34:34 PM

so my plan is to probably sell most of my Bitcoin hopefully averaging just over $100k. ~

i have always sold as much as i needed to and will continue to do the same. i will never sell large amounts just because price is over a certain level! even if it was $10 million i would still sell as much as i needed to. because i believe in the future of bitcoin not just its price. i believe it will reach mass adoption in a sense that you would be able to spend it almost anywhere in the world in any shop so you wouldn't need to sell it!

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I just want to use one bitcoin to buy a full apartment.

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Quote from: figmentofmyass on October 23, 2018, 06:44:49 PM

it really depends on the altcoin market cycle and how it interplays with bitcoin's next bull cycle.

when money is flowing into altcoins, that's where i'll be. spreading risk across promising low-caps, i'll be looking for a few 10x-100x moves and rolling the gains back into bitcoin.

when money is flowing into bitcoin, 5x-10x longs all day. nothing like finding long entries on the 1min-5min charts during bubble times.

when things get frothy enough, i'll start scaling out of bitcoin (hopefully with enough to retire comfortably) over the course of a 2-3 weeks. $100k sounds really low. i'm expecting minimum $250k, and probably much higher based on past cycles.

Lol. You registered here 2013 so you've been around long enough that if you had those kind of balls and skillz you'd already be retired. You will roll with the next pump similarly to the way you rolled the last one most likely.

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Quote from: figmentofmyass on October 23, 2018, 06:44:49 PM

it really depends on the altcoin market cycle and how it interplays with bitcoin's next bull cycle.

when money is flowing into altcoins, that's where i'll be. spreading risk across promising low-caps, i'll be looking for a few 10x-100x moves and rolling the gains back into bitcoin.

when money is flowing into bitcoin, 5x-10x longs all day. nothing like finding long entries on the 1min-5min charts during bubble times.

when things get frothy enough, i'll start scaling out of bitcoin (hopefully with enough to retire comfortably) over the course of a 2-3 weeks. $100k sounds really low. i'm expecting minimum $250k, and probably much higher based on past cycles.

Which altcoins would you really risk it at the end of the day? It's an huge risk. Im a big maximalist myself but I also think about risking a small % of BTC trying to hit one of these x10-100x home runs, but at this point in the altcoin market it feels like playing the casino/lottery.

LTC is out of the picture for me. Now that LN and segwit is on, I don't see the attractive anymore, unless fees start getting ridiculous again before LN is widely used.

XMR remains a good niche for the anonymous coin thing I guess, a lot of people think that so it may be a good idea to hold some of these.

ETH is a mess but it has insane levels of marketing, on the global conscience of market participants I feel like ETH will continue being a pretty big project until it has a fatal technical failure.. perhaps during the up and coming hardfork clusterfuck to PoS.

The rest of the coins are just Las Vegas unless someone has found some rough diamonds that im not aware, but I just see altcoin bagholders pumping their bags everywhere.

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it really depends on the altcoin market cycle and how it interplays with bitcoin's next bull cycle.

when money is flowing into altcoins, that's where i'll be. spreading risk across promising low-caps, i'll be looking for a few 10x-100x moves and rolling the gains back into bitcoin.

when money is flowing into bitcoin, 5x-10x longs all day. nothing like finding long entries on the 1min-5min charts during bubble times.

when things get frothy enough, i'll start scaling out of bitcoin (hopefully with enough to retire comfortably) over the course of a 2-3 weeks. $100k sounds really low. i'm expecting minimum $250k, and probably much higher based on past cycles.

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Quote from: harizen on October 23, 2018, 01:05:52 PM

My mindset is still the same as before, "just accumulate while I can" and always take chances at every opportunity that will came to me.

No matter what's the predictions, no matter how good or bad the speculations, no matter what's the trend is (uptrend or downtrend, bull or bear), it will not changed my purpose why Im here in crypto, to used it as a currency and to used it as an investment (although I don't really used the term investment in crypto). So no such thing as literal "plan". Just moving forward and going with the current flow.

I agree with this

I will always hold a chunk of my overall total wealth in bitcoin and spend it when I can, unfortunately its difficult to do that because of tax laws and merchant acceptance.

Sure, I can go to purse.io and buy things on amazon but that is still triggering a tax event and going through a third party. I want to be able to spend my bitcoin without a company in the middle like it was designed for and not have the IRS hunting me down for buying a cup of coffee. There really needs to be some tax reform in crypto.

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I think the best way to plan is basically do a dollar cost average sell and buy. That way you might not sell everything at the top or buy everything at the bottom, but at least some of your positions will be in good standing.

In my opinion, the best way to trade a bull market is to buy altcoins instead, they can rally like crazy. How much did Bitcoin rally last year? It went from $1K to $20K, so about 20x. But look at XRP, it went like 140X or so. It was the best profitable coin ever. And it has a large enough market cap so you can also short it after its done making its crazy gains.

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Quote from: harizen on October 23, 2018, 01:05:52 PM

My mindset is still the same as before, "just accumulate while I can" and always take chances at every opportunity that will came to me.

No matter what's the predictions, no matter how good or bad the speculations, no matter what's the trend is (uptrend or downtrend, bull or bear), it will not changed my purpose why Im here in crypto, to used it as a currency and to used it as an investment (although I don't really used the term investment in crypto). So no such thing as literal "plan". Just moving forward and going with the current flow.

Everyone is waiting for their own criteria of "moon price" and we have different way of dealing with that. Just hoping that everyone will have a good result out of their own analyzations and future plan.

I'm sticking with my classic way on how to deal myself into crypto market as you said we have different dealings with this matter.If our own ways on last years or previous ones is quite effective(Profitable) on you then
you should stick on your own ways not just easily shift when you do hear out someones analysis or feedbacks or way reacting too much where theres a news. Do the basic thing and don't get affected too much on things
here on crypto market.

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Quote from: arpon11 on October 23, 2018, 02:25:23 PM

Quote from: thecodebear on October 23, 2018, 12:34:34 PM

What's your plan for holding, selling, trading, spending for the next few years now that we will likely be starting a new bull-bear cycle in the next few months?

I think the next peak will be between $100k and $200k and likely occur in 2020, so my plan is to probably sell most of my Bitcoin hopefully averaging just over $100k. Will probably start selling around $80k just to make sure I get some good profits in case the run doesn't go as high as I think. Probably will just keeping 1 Bitcoin for like the long long term (with a plan to spend it on the LN over many years in the 2020s and 2030s). The next bull run should get to my own "moon" prices in which it makes sense to take substantial profits.

Most of what I sell in the coming bull run will go to set myself up financially in the less volatile stock market for the future (hopefully the coming stock market crash & recession will be timed perfectly so the market is still pretty low as Bitcoin is booming so I can take profits and then move into a stock market that is significantly down - in fact the stock market crash could bolster the bitcoin boom as they will likely line up pretty well the next two years). But I will keep some of those profits around to try to buy back at least one Bitcoin in the following crash to sell again during the following bull cycle.

So for me its basically sell most of my Bitcoin, keep a little for years to come to eventually spend when Bitcoin is in use as a currency, and use some profits to play the long term trade game and buy back some on the following crash in a few years.

very nice plan, just pray it works out in that way. I have a plan of holding about 10% of my total holding both bitcoin and altcoins for a very long time and I think I could be able to hold them till 2027. We really need a long term view in other to be among the rich in future. Your financial future beginning from the amount of money you put in cryptocurrencies market now and forget about it for the next 10 year.

If they had those plans for the future, that's not a very challenging since we're at the end days of 2018. More people always desired to hold their asset for no matter how hard for them to manage their worries against crypto. However, the positive ideas from this forum gave them additional confidence to face the current problems.

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Quote from: thecodebear on October 23, 2018, 12:34:34 PM

What's your plan for holding, selling, trading, spending for the next few years now that we will likely be starting a new bull-bear cycle in the next few months?

I think the next peak will be between $100k and $200k and likely occur in 2020, so my plan is to probably sell most of my Bitcoin hopefully averaging just over $100k. Will probably start selling around $80k just to make sure I get some good profits in case the run doesn't go as high as I think. Probably will just keeping 1 Bitcoin for like the long long term (with a plan to spend it on the LN over many years in the 2020s and 2030s). The next bull run should get to my own "moon" prices in which it makes sense to take substantial profits.

Most of what I sell in the coming bull run will go to set myself up financially in the less volatile stock market for the future (hopefully the coming stock market crash & recession will be timed perfectly so the market is still pretty low as Bitcoin is booming so I can take profits and then move into a stock market that is significantly down - in fact the stock market crash could bolster the bitcoin boom as they will likely line up pretty well the next two years). But I will keep some of those profits around to try to buy back at least one Bitcoin in the following crash to sell again during the following bull cycle.

So for me its basically sell most of my Bitcoin, keep a little for years to come to eventually spend when Bitcoin is in use as a currency, and use some profits to play the long term trade game and buy back some on the following crash in a few years.

very nice plan, just pray it works out in that way. I have a plan of holding about 10% of my total holding both bitcoin and altcoins for a very long time and I think I could be able to hold them till 2027. We really need a long term view in other to be among the rich in future. Your financial future beginning from the amount of money you put in cryptocurrencies market now and forget about it for the next 10 year. .
Days are coming and that days are going to show who are the wealthiest in the land. Many of us that can hold some units of any altcoins now and holds them for long-term will be among the millionaire in future.

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Quote from: bitChipper on October 23, 2018, 12:56:25 PM

Optimistic targets and wishful thinking for a bull run in the coming months....but I am with you man. I hope things start looking better soon.

Less volatile tech stocks are a good option, personally I am looking at putting some money into some pot stocks, the rest I would probably just put in a traditional 401k.

But honestly most of it will go to a reliable stable coin that is trustworthy, taxes will always be a nightmare, im hoping there is better guidance next bull run.

Really, a stable coin? I mean a stable coin is designed to track USD, so it wouldn't be any different than having a bunch of cash, you're not gonna make any money off of it, unless you just mean you want to spend it as crypto instead of fiat.

I don't think that is optimistic target and wishful thinking. All signs point to a new bull market incoming. Note that I don't mean a 2017 crazy bull run, I'm saying it will START in the coming months (1-6 months). Basically 2019 will roughly correlate to 2016 with the price heading back up to the ATH before things go crazy in 2020. Bear market is over, we are in the transition phase now, which can only last so long, so the next bull run is incoming and it ain't gonna take a year to start, even the last really long cycle it was only like 9 months transition period. And with Wall St building services to enter the market and the fact that attention to the market is so much higher than in 2015 this transition phase that we are already 1.5 months into will last far shorter than the ~9 months it did in 2015. Q1 is very likely for bull run to start. Writing is on the wall.

Ugh yeah in terms of taxes, I'm really not looking forward to trying to figure out all my trades. I started to do it earlier this year and it was just a mess.

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