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sr. member
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July 08, 2014, 09:49:12 PM
#31
How do you see this affecting the price?

Nahh it would never affect the price, people getting 30k btc at a bargain, they would never sell those off on exchanges the second they got them!

first thing they will do by my opinion is to sell them across all exchanges, then wait for even bigger plummet, and then rebuy.
one can only hope the price on auction wont be as low as we fear it will be.

Someone already bid market price -15% for all of them, so they won't go cheaper than 500ish. Since these coins will be sold only to Americans they will be subject to taxation if they sell within 1 year. So you think someone will dump these coins immediately and take a loss with paying taxes? After they would sell with slippage and pay taxes that would average under 400 per coin. So yeah, that's not gonna happen lol.

They only pay tax on profit, not the whole value of bitcoin.

That's not what Webslicer's CPA is saying.  Since the procurement of said coins would be unknown unless you can show a receipt, You get taxed on purchase and sale price (they assume you mined all the coins).

Even mining operation has cost. Many miners actually lose money than make money mining.

That kind of operation would likely result in less taxes overall as miners can take capital depreciation and their operating costs (mainly electricity) against the value of the coins mined. 
full member
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July 08, 2014, 09:46:06 AM
#30
How do you see this affecting the price?

Nahh it would never affect the price, people getting 30k btc at a bargain, they would never sell those off on exchanges the second they got them!

first thing they will do by my opinion is to sell them across all exchanges, then wait for even bigger plummet, and then rebuy.
one can only hope the price on auction wont be as low as we fear it will be.

Someone already bid market price -15% for all of them, so they won't go cheaper than 500ish. Since these coins will be sold only to Americans they will be subject to taxation if they sell within 1 year. So you think someone will dump these coins immediately and take a loss with paying taxes? After they would sell with slippage and pay taxes that would average under 400 per coin. So yeah, that's not gonna happen lol.

They only pay tax on profit, not the whole value of bitcoin.

That's not what Webslicer's CPA is saying.  Since the procurement of said coins would be unknown unless you can show a receipt, You get taxed on purchase and sale price (they assume you mined all the coins).

Even mining operation has cost. Many miners actually lose money than make money mining.
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
June 28, 2014, 08:48:10 PM
#29
How do you see this affecting the price?

Nahh it would never affect the price, people getting 30k btc at a bargain, they would never sell those off on exchanges the second they got them!

first thing they will do by my opinion is to sell them across all exchanges, then wait for even bigger plummet, and then rebuy.
one can only hope the price on auction wont be as low as we fear it will be.

Someone already bid market price -15% for all of them, so they won't go cheaper than 500ish. Since these coins will be sold only to Americans they will be subject to taxation if they sell within 1 year. So you think someone will dump these coins immediately and take a loss with paying taxes? After they would sell with slippage and pay taxes that would average under 400 per coin. So yeah, that's not gonna happen lol.

They only pay tax on profit, not the whole value of bitcoin.

That's not what Webslicer's CPA is saying.  Since the procurement of said coins would be unknown unless you can show a receipt, You get taxed on purchase and sale price (they assume you mined all the coins).
This would be unlikely to be worked this way in reality. It is not uncommon nor is it wrong to tumble or mix your coins, but your receipt would show a purchase to one address, then you would sell your coins out of a completely different address.
legendary
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June 27, 2014, 05:50:00 PM
#28
We're about 45 minutes after the close of the auction right now, and the price jump may break 600 here already...
legendary
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June 27, 2014, 03:59:05 PM
#27
Anyone knows when the coins will be transfered to their new owners? I want to know when we'll be back to the normal big rise-smaller correction stuff.

We already recovered back to the 580's, so we aren't going down to test the 500's

http://www.usmarshals.gov/assets/2014/bitcoins/

27.6. Phase II Online auction period from 6:00 AM EDT to 6:00 PM EDT
30.6. Winning bidder notified by 5:00 PM EDT
 1.7. Phase III Deadline for winning bidder to initiate wire transfer
hero member
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June 27, 2014, 03:50:29 PM
#26
Anyone knows when the coins will be transfered to their new owners? I want to know when we'll be back to the normal big rise-smaller correction stuff.

We already recovered back to the 580's, so we aren't going down to test the 500's
sr. member
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June 27, 2014, 03:20:06 PM
#25
The calendar on the US Marshals page says the winning bidders will be notified by June 30th at 5:00 PM EDT. Will they wait until June 30th to notify them, or is this just the deadline for them to notify them? In other words, I wonder how soon any leaks of information on the bids could appear.

Of course they will wait until Monday at the very least. I would be very surprised if they came in to work over the weekend just for this auction...
legendary
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June 27, 2014, 02:06:04 PM
#24
The calendar on the US Marshals page says the winning bidders will be notified by June 30th at 5:00 PM EDT. Will they wait until June 30th to notify them, or is this just the deadline for them to notify them? In other words, I wonder how soon any leaks of information on the bids could appear.

Edit: The weekend could, of course, delay the process. 6PM is after normal business hours on a Friday, so it may not be until Monday the 30th that they can confirm the wired money from the winning bidders and make the transfers. And the deadline for that isn't actually until Tuesday, July 1st for the winning bidders to initiate their wire transfers.
sr. member
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June 26, 2014, 01:52:53 PM
#23
How do you see this affecting the price?

Nahh it would never affect the price, people getting 30k btc at a bargain, they would never sell those off on exchanges the second they got them!

It's unlikely to be a bargain;

In fact, 2/3 people think it'll be sold above market:

https://www.betmoose.com/bet/silkroad-coins-will-be-sold-above-market-value
sr. member
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Brave New World
June 26, 2014, 09:18:43 AM
#22
How do you see this affecting the price?

It has already affected the price by injecting uncertainty into the market. The very question of "how do you see this affecting the price" is affecting the price.

Monday the price will jump or down for a moment. If it jumps down it will jump right back up. If it jumps up it will come down a little bit.

After that the rising trend will continue until we hit $666 again.
The current drop could be all the FUD around this auction. I guess i just wondered if them being sold on the cheap would negatively impact the price, and if they'd dump a load en mass on the exchanges, and with bitcoins liquidity, depreciating in value. After reading comments in this thread i now recon it wont plummet like the FUD spreaders fear...
hero member
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June 26, 2014, 07:15:03 AM
#21
How do you see this affecting the price?

Nahh it would never affect the price, people getting 30k btc at a bargain, they would never sell those off on exchanges the second they got them!

first thing they will do by my opinion is to sell them across all exchanges, then wait for even bigger plummet, and then rebuy.
one can only hope the price on auction wont be as low as we fear it will be.

Someone already bid market price -15% for all of them, so they won't go cheaper than 500ish. Since these coins will be sold only to Americans they will be subject to taxation if they sell within 1 year. So you think someone will dump these coins immediately and take a loss with paying taxes? After they would sell with slippage and pay taxes that would average under 400 per coin. So yeah, that's not gonna happen lol.

I remember at least one foreign bank on the leaked list of bidders (BNP Paribas) so saying they will only be sold to Americans is incorrect, it's a fully open auction.
full member
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June 26, 2014, 04:10:28 AM
#20
Auction is tomorrow.
hero member
Activity: 519
Merit: 500
June 26, 2014, 04:09:50 AM
#19
When and how do we get some news ?
I'm sure my btc friends can help me out Smiley.

They announced that they lost all the private keys.

Apparently Barack Obama had them on his iPad, but he had to microwave that shit quick to keep Michelle Obama from finding all his tranny porn.



What you mean to say it was stored on a hard drive that crashed and then immediately got recycled.  Yeah that's the ticket!  Not a smidgeon of corruption
legendary
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June 26, 2014, 03:53:19 AM
#18
I think will be so much interest, the price will skyrocket
hero member
Activity: 519
Merit: 500
June 26, 2014, 01:22:33 AM
#17
How do you see this affecting the price?

Nahh it would never affect the price, people getting 30k btc at a bargain, they would never sell those off on exchanges the second they got them!

first thing they will do by my opinion is to sell them across all exchanges, then wait for even bigger plummet, and then rebuy.
one can only hope the price on auction wont be as low as we fear it will be.

Someone already bid market price -15% for all of them, so they won't go cheaper than 500ish. Since these coins will be sold only to Americans they will be subject to taxation if they sell within 1 year. So you think someone will dump these coins immediately and take a loss with paying taxes? After they would sell with slippage and pay taxes that would average under 400 per coin. So yeah, that's not gonna happen lol.

They only pay tax on profit, not the whole value of bitcoin.

That's not what Webslicer's CPA is saying.  Since the procurement of said coins would be unknown unless you can show a receipt, You get taxed on purchase and sale price (they assume you mined all the coins).
full member
Activity: 165
Merit: 100
June 25, 2014, 10:53:07 PM
#16
How do you see this affecting the price?

Nahh it would never affect the price, people getting 30k btc at a bargain, they would never sell those off on exchanges the second they got them!

first thing they will do by my opinion is to sell them across all exchanges, then wait for even bigger plummet, and then rebuy.
one can only hope the price on auction wont be as low as we fear it will be.

Someone already bid market price -15% for all of them, so they won't go cheaper than 500ish. Since these coins will be sold only to Americans they will be subject to taxation if they sell within 1 year. So you think someone will dump these coins immediately and take a loss with paying taxes? After they would sell with slippage and pay taxes that would average under 400 per coin. So yeah, that's not gonna happen lol.

They only pay tax on profit, not the whole value of bitcoin.
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 1000
June 25, 2014, 10:31:38 PM
#15
How do you see this affecting the price?

Nahh it would never affect the price, people getting 30k btc at a bargain, they would never sell those off on exchanges the second they got them!

first thing they will do by my opinion is to sell them across all exchanges, then wait for even bigger plummet, and then rebuy.
one can only hope the price on auction wont be as low as we fear it will be.

Someone already bid market price -15% for all of them, so they won't go cheaper than 500ish. Since these coins will be sold only to Americans they will be subject to taxation if they sell within 1 year. So you think someone will dump these coins immediately and take a loss with paying taxes? After they would sell with slippage and pay taxes that would average under 400 per coin. So yeah, that's not gonna happen lol.
legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
June 25, 2014, 10:11:08 PM
#14
How do you see this affecting the price?

It has already affected the price by injecting uncertainty into the market. The very question of "how do you see this affecting the price" is affecting the price.

Monday the price will jump or down for a moment. If it jumps down it will jump right back up. If it jumps up it will come down a little bit.

After that the rising trend will continue until we hit $666 again.
legendary
Activity: 1022
Merit: 1000
June 25, 2014, 09:33:31 PM
#13
The official announcement and details are here:
http://www.usmarshals.gov/assets/2014/bitcoins/

Registration to bid closed on the 23rd and the auction is the 27th.

Good Luck!
legendary
Activity: 1762
Merit: 1011
June 25, 2014, 05:36:45 PM
#12
You can watch where they move starting here: https://blockchain.info/address/1Ez69SnzzmePmZX3WpEzMKTrcBF2gpNQ55
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