When will the scaling issue* be solved?

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Quote from: Insanerman on June 01, 2017, 08:19:00 AM

Quote from: 25hashcoin on May 30, 2017, 02:02:17 PM

Very soon. Segwit2x has all the support minus Blockstream and the r/bitcoin echo chamber (which is just braindead users parroting "uasf" anyway). Industry will fork to big blocks soon. Corestream will agree or get left behind with their shitty settlement altcoin.

Finally! Make bitcoin great again!

Finally, and I hope this will solved the scaling issues surrounding bitcoin. This is the only setback that bitcoin haters are throwing. Once this is solved, it will make the bitcoin price shoot up to another high and the rest is history. I am supporting this move.

yes that is right, i am also confident that the issues that are facing by bitcoin will be solve very soon. i am sure that when these problems will be solved then the price will shoot again, as n previous days when japan accepted bitcoin as legal currency the price shoot. i am hopeful that bitcoin price will continue for a long long time.

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Quote from: Carlton Banks on June 01, 2017, 09:09:33 AM

No-one's really talking about scaling, you've all been talking about transaction capacity. Which is not scaling.

Segwit is not a scaling solution, it increases transaction capacity, and lays the groundwork for only some types of future scaling, which are not part of the Segwit fork

Barrycoin is not a scaling solution, it increases transaction capacity, and also changes the Segwit implementation details too, apparently (not interested in how, tbh)

If you're going to start a thread about scaling solutions, is there any way that people could talk about them, you're all off-topic (including this meta on-topic post)

Useless post thanks.

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No-one's really talking about scaling, you've all been talking about transaction capacity. Which is not scaling.

Segwit is not a scaling solution, it increases transaction capacity, and lays the groundwork for only some types of future scaling, which are not part of the Segwit fork

Barrycoin is not a scaling solution, it increases transaction capacity, and also changes the Segwit implementation details too, apparently (not interested in how, tbh)

If you're going to start a thread about scaling solutions, is there any way that people could talk about them, you're all off-topic (including this meta on-topic post)

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Quote from: 25hashcoin on June 01, 2017, 08:22:50 AM

Quote from: deisik on May 31, 2017, 06:13:52 AM

Quote from: Variogam on May 30, 2017, 04:41:14 PM

Quote from: cellard on May 30, 2017, 02:09:04 PM

Nobody is stainlling non-Core approved software, so the NYC agreement is out of the question.

Bitcoin economy is behind 2017 NY agreement which mean SegWit+2MB HF and finally resolving the scalling issue this year. So I am optimistic.
https://medium.com/@DCGco/bitcoin-scaling-agreement-at-consensus-2017-133521fe9a77

That supposedly secretive NY meeting strongly reminds me of the events that preceded the establishment of the Fed in 1913. I refer to the meeting at the Jekyll Island Club (off the coast of Georgia), where a group of US senators, financiers and bankers gathered together to write a plan to reform the US banking system, which laid the foundation of what would later become known as the Fed. The difference between now and then is that the ordinary US dollar users and holders didn't have a say back then. But today is not then

So this meeting may be not what you expect it to be or lead to

You have it backwards. The formation of Blockstream was the modern day Jekyll Island. The NY meeting and miners are what's taking it back (although skipping segwit would be best).

nah blockstream is Dr jekyll.. but DCG has always been the island

scaling is not solved by DCG either. its just kicking the can down the road some more.

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Quote from: deisik on May 31, 2017, 06:13:52 AM

Quote from: Variogam on May 30, 2017, 04:41:14 PM

Quote from: cellard on May 30, 2017, 02:09:04 PM

Nobody is stainlling non-Core approved software, so the NYC agreement is out of the question.

Bitcoin economy is behind 2017 NY agreement which mean SegWit+2MB HF and finally resolving the scalling issue this year. So I am optimistic.
https://medium.com/@DCGco/bitcoin-scaling-agreement-at-consensus-2017-133521fe9a77

That supposedly secretive NY meeting strongly reminds me of the events that preceded the establishment of the Fed in 1913. I refer to the meeting at the Jekyll Island Club (off the coast of Georgia), where a group of US senators, financiers and bankers gathered together to write a plan to reform the US banking system, which laid the foundation of what would later become known as the Fed. The difference between now and then is that the ordinary US dollar users and holders didn't have a say back then. But today is not then

So this meeting may be not what you expect it to be or lead to

You have it backwards. The formation of Blockstream was the modern day Jekyll Island. The NY meeting and miners are what's taking it back (although skipping segwit would be best).

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Quote from: 25hashcoin on May 30, 2017, 02:02:17 PM

Very soon. Segwit2x has all the support minus Blockstream and the r/bitcoin echo chamber (which is just braindead users parroting "uasf" anyway). Industry will fork to big blocks soon. Corestream will agree or get left behind with their shitty settlement altcoin.

Finally! Make bitcoin great again!

Finally, and I hope this will solved the scaling issues surrounding bitcoin. This is the only setback that bitcoin haters are throwing. Once this is solved, it will make the bitcoin price shoot up to another high and the rest is history. I am supporting this move.

franky1

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Quote from: deisik on May 31, 2017, 06:13:52 AM

Quote from: Variogam on May 30, 2017, 04:41:14 PM

Quote from: cellard on May 30, 2017, 02:09:04 PM

Nobody is stainlling non-Core approved software, so the NYC agreement is out of the question.

Bitcoin economy is behind 2017 NY agreement which mean SegWit+2MB HF and finally resolving the scalling issue this year. So I am optimistic.
https://medium.com/@DCGco/bitcoin-scaling-agreement-at-consensus-2017-133521fe9a77

That supposedly secretive NY meeting strongly reminds me of the events that preceded the establishment of the Fed in 1913. I refer to the meeting at the Jekyll Island Club (off the coast of Georgia), where a group of US senators, financiers and bankers gathered together to write a plan to reform the US banking system, which laid the foundation of what would later become known as the Fed. The difference between now and then is that the ordinary US dollar users and holders didn't have a say back then. But today is not then

So this meeting may be not what you expect it to be or lead to

DCG is still blockstream cartel
http://dcg.co/portfolio/#b

its all just drama. still offering the same half cooked ingredients of 2015.. just stirred up and reheated

unless there is code to review its just stirring the same pot
reminds me of shakespeare i learned a couple decades ago .. all the DCG group sitting around a table...
"Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn, and caldron bubble"

25hashcoin

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When corrupt Blockstream controlled Core forks to their alt. Blockstream
and corrupt Core devs are 100% the reason we don't have scaling. Support big blocks and oppose shitty segwit.

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Quote from: Variogam on May 30, 2017, 04:41:14 PM

Quote from: cellard on May 30, 2017, 02:09:04 PM

Nobody is stainlling non-Core approved software, so the NYC agreement is out of the question.

Bitcoin economy is behind 2017 NY agreement which mean SegWit+2MB HF and finally resolving the scalling issue this year. So I am optimistic.
https://medium.com/@DCGco/bitcoin-scaling-agreement-at-consensus-2017-133521fe9a77

That supposedly secretive NY meeting strongly reminds me of the events that preceded the establishment of the Fed in 1913. I refer to the meeting at the Jekyll Island Club (off the coast of Georgia), where a group of US senators, financiers and bankers gathered together to write a plan to reform the US banking system, which laid the foundation of what would later become known as the Fed. The difference between now and then is that the ordinary US dollar users and holders didn't have a say back then. But today is not then

So this meeting may be not what you expect it to be or lead to

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Quote from: DaFuture on May 30, 2017, 12:45:10 PM

Quote from: stompix on May 30, 2017, 12:04:01 PM

Quote from: DaFuture on May 29, 2017, 10:25:59 PM

i mean how long can the debate last? or is it just gonna keep popping back up into discussion

Sometimes I wonder what is more annoying , to wait 8 hours for a confirmation or to read everyday 8 threads about the scaling issues and the segwit war.

My personal stance is right now...live with it.
If it's going to be solved it going to someday.
If not , nothing I can do about it.It won't be the end of this world because of that

Quote from: DaFuture on May 30, 2017, 09:17:34 AM

Shouldn't the lightning and segwit solutions be tested more thouroghly before we could see these as a good solution to scaling

see litecoin

the system capacity isn't being pushed nearly enough to show if segwit and lightning are gonna be effective i believe

We all know that bitcoin transaction speed was put to the test lately..
And it failed. Hundred if not thousands of post complaining about high confirmation time and high fees.
This with only 300k transactions processed.

Simply increasing the block size to 2mb will accommodate 600k a day.
About the size of Milwaukee , so if each person in Milwaukee decides to buy a Milkyway with btc we have again full capacity.

We need another plan.

Variogam

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Quote from: cellard on May 30, 2017, 02:09:04 PM

Nobody is stainlling non-Core approved software, so the NYC agreement is out of the question.

Bitcoin economy is behind 2017 NY agreement which mean SegWit+2MB HF and finally resolving the scalling issue this year. So I am optimistic.
https://medium.com/@DCGco/bitcoin-scaling-agreement-at-consensus-2017-133521fe9a77

Bitcoin is decentralized, no need to get approval from Core group. It is your problem if you need Core approved software to track Bitcoin chain and Core wont update their software in time.

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Quote from: bamboylee on May 30, 2017, 02:06:50 PM

Quote from: cellard on May 30, 2017, 12:55:20 PM

Miners are never going to agree because miners want to maximize their profits so this means delaying any possible scaling.

Same thought here but then again, this action may drive away current and possible bitcoin users. That will set the price back which will affect them greatly. Miners might take that into consideration and may agree on a solution eventually.

If miners wanted to scale bitcoin, they would activate segwit immediately. Whey aren't they doing this? (and by then, I mean mostly bitmain which controls a lot more hashrate with what meets the eye due bribing etc). Well, fees, covert asicboost etc. They want power and higher fees.

This year SOMETHING will happen, and that something may be UASF.

Nobody is stainlling non-Core approved software, so the NYC agreement is out of the question.

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Quote from: cellard on May 30, 2017, 12:55:20 PM

Miners are never going to agree because miners want to maximize their profits so this means delaying any possible scaling.

Same thought here but then again, this action may drive away current and possible bitcoin users. That will set the price back which will affect them greatly. Miners might take that into consideration and may agree on a solution eventually.

25hashcoin

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Very soon. Segwit2x has all the support minus Blockstream and the r/bitcoin echo chamber (which is just braindead users parroting "uasf" anyway). Industry will fork to big blocks soon. Corestream will agree or get left behind with their shitty settlement altcoin.

Finally! Make bitcoin great again!

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I do not think that the scaling problem will be solved there maybe some patches to fix the current scalability issue, but eventually the issue will reoccur. It is like a problem that were attached to bitcoinj eversince its creation. As more users transact the more possibility that the block will be filled. So I guess scalling issue wont be solved.

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From my experience, I think they should follow the example of litecoin and the implementation of Segwit. Once that happened, the price of Litecoin went up quickly.
I think Bitcoin core members were arguing about the right way to continue, eg Bitcoin Unlimited etc.

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Miners are never going to agree because miners want to maximize their profits so this means delaying any possible scaling. In order to make scaling happen, you must run an UASF node and sell your coins for UASF coins and tell every exchange and wallet to run UASF. This way, miners will get scared and snowball effect will kick in, and they will be forced to mine the segwit chain.

In other words, you don't negotiate with terrorists, you UASF.

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Scaling is not an issue, is just the people that need to buy more and more bitcoin

. Meanwhile I will be trading mine at http://bit.ly/bt6Lt3c

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Quote from: stompix on May 30, 2017, 12:04:01 PM

Quote from: DaFuture on May 29, 2017, 10:25:59 PM

i mean how long can the debate last? or is it just gonna keep popping back up into discussion

Sometimes I wonder what is more annoying , to wait 8 hours for a confirmation or to read everyday 8 threads about the scaling issues and the segwit war.

My personal stance is right now...live with it.
If it's going to be solved it going to someday.
If not , nothing I can do about it.It won't be the end of this world because of that

Quote from: DaFuture on May 30, 2017, 09:17:34 AM

Shouldn't the lightning and segwit solutions be tested more thouroghly before we could see these as a good solution to scaling

see litecoin

the system capacity isn't being pushed nearly enough to show if segwit and lightning are gonna be effective i believe

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Quote from: DaFuture on May 29, 2017, 10:25:59 PM

i mean how long can the debate last? or is it just gonna keep popping back up into discussion

Sometimes I wonder what is more annoying , to wait 8 hours for a confirmation or to read everyday 8 threads about the scaling issues and the segwit war.

My personal stance is right now...live with it.
If it's going to be solved it going to someday.
If not , nothing I can do about it.It won't be the end of this world because of that

Quote from: DaFuture on May 30, 2017, 09:17:34 AM

Shouldn't the lightning and segwit solutions be tested more thouroghly before we could see these as a good solution to scaling

see litecoin

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