I've seen those Canadians that are involved with the protest to have the solution through receiving donations in the form of bitcoin. And that's the best thing that they've done.
Now, the government can't do anything over that while they can still keep receiving donations that shows that many are supporting them and are on their side.
It's true that bitcoin is freedom and whether the government seizes our bank accounts because we don't agree with them, we know that we have a choice through #bitcoin.
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February 15, 2022, 06:42:55 PM
February 15, 2022, 04:45:48 PM
The problem is not really with sellers, but with the fact that most people who invest in Bitcoin do not want to use it as a currency, but as a way to make $500 from $100 in a certain period of time.
Which brings us to the main problem: The users are affected by the investors much more than the investors are affected by the users. Even if most users bought Bitcoin exclusively for exchanging goods, there could always be a minority of investors who'd be willing to manipulate.Investors' behavior affects the users negatively, but not the opposite.
February 15, 2022, 10:16:04 AM
This is why we need bitcoin to reach mass adoption. They can freeze bank accounts because unfortunately they still have to convert bitcoin to fiat in order to be able to "spend" it which is where the totalitarian government can take advantage of and rob them of their own money. But if they could simply use bitcoin anywhere to purchase food, gas, etc. they wouldn't have needed the conversion in first place.
This only happens if people step in. If shops start accepting bitcoin payments, that would solve a lot of issues.
This only happens if people step in. If shops start accepting bitcoin payments, that would solve a lot of issues.
I don't know what the laws are in Canada, but I believe you don't need to ask for a special permit if you want to allow people to pay in Bitcoin in your store. The problem is not really with sellers, but with the fact that most people who invest in Bitcoin do not want to use it as a currency, but as a way to make $500 from $100 in a certain period of time.
It would be ideal if all civilized countries declared Bitcoin a legal tender, but we all know that this will not happen - although if this is the case in Canada at the moment, what is legal can become illegal overnight if it suits the authorities. Bitcoin is, like it or not, too dependent on traditional financial systems that are more than strong enough to sabotage it in terms of global usage.
February 15, 2022, 10:11:01 AM
I think the most important is to be able to pay your taxes with Bitcoin.
I disagree a little here because we don't need the government to accept bitcoin as long as people accept it. And paying taxes is not the biggest concern as buying groceries, paying rent and the bills are.Yeah, I hear what you are saying and the whole situation is messy but wouldn't the same Government be able to Ban Bitcoin or cryptocurrency trading/acceptance by any retail or merchant in their country altogether and still leave the people in the same dilemma as it has happened in some countries?
Sure they can, but that's what causes mass protests similar to the situation currently going on in Canada. In my view banning bitcoin is like banning freedom of speech.
February 15, 2022, 08:56:16 AM
Going by fiat currency at this current dispensation is as giving independency a showcase as to lack of knowledge to escape route in economy downgrades. Bitcoin offers the opportunity to avoid the transaction fee of crossboarder charges, easy, fast and reliable alternative digital currency that can be used by individual with total independency from centralized authorities. This freedom is one of the core goals that Bitcoin founder initiated right from the beginning that solves the complex challenges of the global trust ensured on the government and commercial banking system which resulted a failure.
February 15, 2022, 08:04:59 AM
Not really just bitcoin, it's just one of the aspects of freedom because I believe that we're still somehow restraint to it even though it can give us financial liberties and it's also worth mentioning that being truly free is impossible, even the birds are chained to the sky. My opinion on liberty isn't for everyone though and I am alright with that, maybe I don't have the knowledge to know that there are other things that we need to do to be truly free.
February 15, 2022, 07:59:35 AM
Again another perfect example why Bitcoin is Freedom!
Well, the shops don't really accept bitcoin. And I don't see people buying bread and milk from darknet.
It's a 100% fucked up situation and I think that with every new step that government is going towards the edge of a cliff.
I agree that no merchant accepts BTC for bread and milk.The protesters will have to use services like Localbitcoins,Paxful or Bisq to sell their BTC for fiat money,which means that they will have to provide their ID cards and comply with KYC policies.This means that the governments can still track their personal info and try to shut down their Localbitcoins,Paxful or Bisq accounts.
This is a really bad situation,but I'm sure that the people are clever enough to find a solution.They will always find a way to get around the rules set by the governments.
February 15, 2022, 07:46:44 AM
People have lost their freedom once they have handed over their money to banks, which is the only reason banks were able to freeze the money. If people took custody over their money and were transacting solely in cash, banks could do nothing and would have no power over people's money. People have traded their freedom for convenience because freedom implies responsibility, which people hate to take especially when it comes to money. Bitcoin won't change that, it won't set people free from having to be responsible for their money. Even if bitcoin is widely adopted in the future, most people will be using banks to do bitcoin affairs for them, banks and politicians will still be able to close any bitcoin account. From my point of view, unless people change their mindset and understand the importance of self-custody, they will remain dependent on the decision of third parties and will not become free.
February 15, 2022, 07:36:10 AM
No need to buy it from the darkweb, the same way the ppl brought them gasoline in tubes, there will be people willing to bring them food and supplies, and they will be able to to receive a sort of payment in btc.
I'm sure there will be people exchanging btc for cash on the spot.
Now it's not only the truckers problem, it's everyone's bank account that could be locked/ceased at any time.
I'm sure there will be people exchanging btc for cash on the spot.
Now it's not only the truckers problem, it's everyone's bank account that could be locked/ceased at any time.
Keep in mind that their families home may be using the same bank account and a related card.
Keep in mind that people willing to accept or exchange bitcoin may not be there in each and every town. Not yet.
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I'm wondering aren't we there yet, when a small entrepreneur seeing an opportunity of buying BTC at a favorable rate, just packs a bag full of cash and goes right there, right to the spot where he/she can do it? If you in need of cash you can sell something as valuable as BTC with as much as 10 percent discount and you'll be happy about it, but the buyer, of course, will be happy too.
February 15, 2022, 07:28:37 AM
Again another perfect example why Bitcoin is Freedom!
And when 'they' take your freedom the only hope are the cryptocurrencies.
This is not about pandemic nor vax/anti-vax, this is just example of how the government can shut you down if you do not agree with them on any matter.
Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts
Maybe Chrys Sky was right back in May 2020.
And when 'they' take your freedom the only hope are the cryptocurrencies.
This is not about pandemic nor vax/anti-vax, this is just example of how the government can shut you down if you do not agree with them on any matter.
Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts
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Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has taken the unprecedented step of invoking the Emergencies Act to crack down on anti-vaccine mandate protests.
Mr Trudeau said the scope of the measures would be "time-limited", "reasonable and proportionate" and would not see the military deployed.
With no need for a court order, banks will be able freeze personal accounts of anyone linked with the protests.
Mr Trudeau said the scope of the measures would be "time-limited", "reasonable and proportionate" and would not see the military deployed.
With no need for a court order, banks will be able freeze personal accounts of anyone linked with the protests.
Maybe Chrys Sky was right back in May 2020.
You are absolutely correct! Crypto and the blockchain technology on which it is built upon, is the future of "freedom technology". We won't let ourselves be stripped of what makes us free, human or unmonitored. Its just basic human needs like water, air and food. We are not meant to be governed and restricted to death. We were never meant to be locked in a room with no doors and no windows.
This is the fight against evil. And blockchain and crypto are our best weapons.
February 15, 2022, 07:13:31 AM
The positive side of the story is that such news will only bring more new Cryptocurrency users. We seem to ignore how this has turned from pandemic to governments exceedingly using their power to gain more control over their own citizens.
Anyone who has ever used Bitcoin for transactions other than trading knows that Bitcoin can help you avoid trouble banks would otherwise get you into. Neurotic, what is currently happening in Canada should be enough proof for everyone that the government cares precisely zero percent about us and a good proof that by giving up our rights and freedoms the tides could turn at any given time against us.
All I wish was that the average human had the knowledge to understand the basics of Bitcoin and how it works, but we are slowly getting there by the years. Hopefully, the tides will finally turn in our favor one day.
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Anyone who has ever used Bitcoin for transactions other than trading knows that Bitcoin can help you avoid trouble banks would otherwise get you into. Neurotic, what is currently happening in Canada should be enough proof for everyone that the government cares precisely zero percent about us and a good proof that by giving up our rights and freedoms the tides could turn at any given time against us.
All I wish was that the average human had the knowledge to understand the basics of Bitcoin and how it works, but we are slowly getting there by the years. Hopefully, the tides will finally turn in our favor one day.
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Regards,
PrivacyG
February 15, 2022, 07:08:37 AM
There have been numerous discussions on the forum regarding this, and I can't help but emphasize that BTC and Crypto can not be a solution to underlying economic and social problems. It's like that meme where a guy is putting a bandaid on a leaking water tank. BTC and Crypto should be considered as supplementation to a modern economy and a chance for average people to level the playing field a bit regarding the discrepancy between the haves and the haves not. The issues of modern societies and monetary systems are still something that needs to be addressed on it's own, and there is no one simple solution to any of them.
February 15, 2022, 06:52:14 AM
No need to buy it from the darkweb, the same way the ppl brought them gasoline in tubes, there will be people willing to bring them food and supplies, and they will be able to to receive a sort of payment in btc.
I'm sure there will be people exchanging btc for cash on the spot.
Now it's not only the truckers problem, it's everyone's bank account that could be locked/ceased at any time.
I'm sure there will be people exchanging btc for cash on the spot.
Now it's not only the truckers problem, it's everyone's bank account that could be locked/ceased at any time.
Keep in mind that their families home may be using the same bank account and a related card.
Keep in mind that people willing to accept or exchange bitcoin may not be there in each and every town. Not yet.
But I agree, it's everybody's problem, and it doesn't even matter whether one agrees or not with the truckers. That's why I said that part about the govt.
February 15, 2022, 06:49:11 AM
Again another perfect example why Bitcoin is Freedom!
Well, the shops don't really accept bitcoin. And I don't see people buying bread and milk from darknet.
It's a 100% fucked up situation and I think that with every new step that government is going towards the edge of a cliff.
No need to buy it from the darkweb, the same way the ppl brought them gasoline in tubes, there will be people willing to bring them food and supplies, and they will be able to to receive a sort of payment in btc.
I'm sure there will be people exchanging btc for cash on the spot.
Now it's not only the truckers problem, it's everyone's bank account that could be locked/ceased at any time.
February 15, 2022, 06:47:02 AM
This is why we need bitcoin to reach mass adoption. They can freeze bank accounts because unfortunately they still have to convert bitcoin to fiat in order to be able to "spend" it which is where the totalitarian government can take advantage of and rob them of their own money. But if they could simply use bitcoin anywhere to purchase food, gas, etc. they wouldn't have needed the conversion in first place.
This only happens if people step in. If shops start accepting bitcoin payments, that would solve a lot of issues.
Yeah, I hear what you are saying and the whole situation is messy but wouldn't the same Government be able to Ban Bitcoin or cryptocurrency trading/acceptance by any retail or merchant in their country altogether and still leave the people in the same dilemma as it has happened in some countries? This only happens if people step in. If shops start accepting bitcoin payments, that would solve a lot of issues.
February 15, 2022, 06:46:16 AM
This is why we need bitcoin to reach mass adoption.
I think the most important is to be able to pay your taxes with Bitcoin. Sure, merchants accepting it is a big step, and it's a long time since I made a purchase online without Bitcoin, but when it comes to tax household, I'm forced to convert it. Will the government adopt it this way? Hard to tell, but I have my doubts. And to be honest, most of the merchants I know aren't sensitized about liberty as they aren't aware of the way their money work either. I'm bullish, but truth be told, there's discouragement for adoption.
February 15, 2022, 06:32:42 AM
This is why we need bitcoin to reach mass adoption. They can freeze bank accounts because unfortunately they still have to convert bitcoin to fiat in order to be able to "spend" it which is where the totalitarian government can take advantage of and rob them of their own money. But if they could simply use bitcoin anywhere to purchase food, gas, etc. they wouldn't have needed the conversion in first place.
This only happens if people step in. If shops start accepting bitcoin payments, that would solve a lot of issues.
This only happens if people step in. If shops start accepting bitcoin payments, that would solve a lot of issues.
February 15, 2022, 06:32:30 AM
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With no need for a court order, banks will be able freeze personal accounts of anyone linked with the protests.
This will make people open a huge amount of lawsuits (and it could happen as easy even if there wold be court orders). It won't be pretty.
This is not about pandemic nor vax/anti-vax, this is just example of how the government can shut you down if you do not agree with them on any matter.
Indeed. And just imagine what would CBDCs do in this kind of equation...
Again another perfect example why Bitcoin is Freedom!
Well, the shops don't really accept bitcoin. And I don't see people buying bread and milk from darknet.
It's a 100% fucked up situation and I think that with every new step that government is going towards the edge of a cliff.
February 15, 2022, 06:32:01 AM
Apparently, "crypto payment providers" are affected by the same restrictions.
https://blockworks.co/crypto-payments-firms-face-new-restrictions-under-canadas-blockade-crackdown/
Not sure I understand how is this is going to work? Let's say a Canadian citizen decides to donate (from an exchange) to a publically known bitcoin address that belongs to the truckers. Would the exchange be required to give the donor's details (name, address) to the government?
https://blockworks.co/crypto-payments-firms-face-new-restrictions-under-canadas-blockade-crackdown/
Not sure I understand how is this is going to work? Let's say a Canadian citizen decides to donate (from an exchange) to a publically known bitcoin address that belongs to the truckers. Would the exchange be required to give the donor's details (name, address) to the government?
I have no idea how this will work, but I'm sure they will try to bock the crypto payments too. The first thing that comes to my mind is those business that support the truckers to start accepting LN payments.
Then no exchanges will be involved and no private info leak. Again taking the risk to get locked and prosecuted as a criminal just because you don't agree to receive this still experimental treatment is quite an Admiral General Aladeen's attitude if you ask me.
February 15, 2022, 06:26:51 AM
Yes, I've said it before;
Being able to control the money of the people has gone too far. People need to transact without censorship, permissionless-ly. If the government starts censoring your money and tells you what you're allowed to do with it, it won't be long 'til it starts dictating your behavior and thoughts as well.
As for Crys Sky, there are much more deaths from those who hadn't vaccinated unless we question statistics.
Actually, the entire banking system, the way it currently works, is a conspiracy to humanity.
Being able to control the money of the people has gone too far. People need to transact without censorship, permissionless-ly. If the government starts censoring your money and tells you what you're allowed to do with it, it won't be long 'til it starts dictating your behavior and thoughts as well.
As for Crys Sky, there are much more deaths from those who hadn't vaccinated unless we question statistics.
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