Topic: Where are the merit sources? (Read 1064 times)

Looks like number of merit sources were increased but,number of sMerits generated per cycle decreased from 23045 to 20735.

Anyway feels like nothing to discuss here anymore,since it was already one year old thread.

Locking.

That’s a surprise to see a quote from September resurge now… Anyway, TMan’s The Pharmacist's post seems to have really rapidly moved some things around (I guess by cause/effect and not coincidently). There are a few more merit sources and in play, but, perhaps more importantly, quotas have been reassigned (at least in some cases), with the likely intent to adjust them to awarding habits, and taking into account if a certain source finished-off all his sMerits in the 30 day window or left plenty of unspent sMerits.

If the exercise has been done in this manner, it should show some results over the following weeks, making the global aggregate sMerit pool more efficient in terms of distribution.

dMerits (delegate merits – suggested by @Jet Cash) and/or having one or two "intern Merit Sources" appointed by merit sources themselves (I suggested something of the sort at some point) are not likely to be implemented. Nevertheless, reassigning quotas regularly based on awarding habits should proof a better solution in terms of efficiency of the Merit Source sMerits distribution and overall monitoring.

It will not stop for they are some jackass that has been ruined by Merits. And they are ridiculously addicted on limbo that's why they are fond on bringing up or even digging the very old topics here on BCT. Not even a hundred years will make them pass on what they like to do, they will certainly make their grandchilds looks like them and will continously whine all over the place.

How long will it be before we have a new topic, so that we can stop the constant boring and repetitive posts about merit.

Merit is here, and it's going to stay. Constantly drawing attention to the fact that you can't earn any won't result in your being awarded merit. In fact the reverse could well be true.

If you can help your claim and run a good statistics as to how many merit sources are actually dishing out merit you might get to see that they are really work hard

You don't expect because they are merit sources they should just dish out merit lack luster

In this case they could delegate their unspent smerits to someone else like another trustable merit source for example.
They just have to send them their remain smerits. Some merit sources are complaining they don't get enough smerits to spent (like The Pharmacist for example), so it can be a win-win deal.
Only 15850 merits have been spent this month by all users. While 22055 merits had been generated for merit sources. The gap is huge.  

Probably for multiple personal reasons: many probably work aside from being on the forum, and do not find time enough to award all their allowance. Others might be awarding smaller quantities per TX and therefore take longer to finish off their pool if they don’t spot enough meritable posts, and so on.

Awarding should be a simple job in theory, but in practice, I find it more time consuming than one would wish for, especially when you merit a person you’ve never merited before. This is a personal procedure obviously, but I tend to look at the post, check for plagiarism, and review the history to a certain degree. That is quite some time, apart from the one invested in trying to find the post to start with, separating the wheat from the chaff.

Opps sorry I thought it was for a month but still if we calculate them in average it will be about 16K per month but the merit sources can create 23K merits every month and alo we still have airdropped merits in circulation so why the merit sources are not spending their merits.Or this forum not have that much posts worthy to be merited.

Where did you get the 4K from? That sounds like the reading for a week, not a month. August aggregate is of 16.631 and July 18.286 sMerits. What we do not know is the exact share to these figures from Merit Sources and regular forum members.

OP Updated,lets get some discussion going!

Now the merit sources and the number of smerits generated gets doubled now since when this thread was created but is that all they were doing their job right?

Then why the number of merits awarded in this months is just under 4000?

The only other post of yours (other than your recent ones in Meta) I could view was this:


The above is complete garbage.  Since all the other sections you've posted in I have on ignore, my guess is that you're probably making all of your posts in spam sections, and I'll bet they're not much better than the one I quoted.  You have no basis to think you deserve merit, unless someone can point me to a post of yours that actually was good.

This isn't a charity here.  Merit should be earned.

Newly added merit sources will effectively measure the outcome, adding 36 members by statistics that will adjust the ability to score merits even for those who can not speak English.
Overall, we're talking about getting one merit or ten but more than that deserves more effort.

Thanks for the latest warning.

You do realize that you are quoting data that is outdated by far right?  The updated Merit Source data can be found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources
I’ll use a similar argument that I’ve used before. In a corporation that makes shoes, only a reduced set of the workers have the technical capabilities to design them, the rest all know how to wear the shoes, but perform other tasks that, brought together, keep the company on its feet (no pun intended). Publicist, salesmen, finance and administration, logistics, etc. all put their part into making the shoe brand become what it is.  The analogy goes to say that, although Bitcoin is the core conceptual driver of this forum, we can create meritable posts in many areas.

Merit in the Bitcoin section is indeed not as widespread as one would think, but the general Bitcoin Discussion thread is way too spammed currently, and finding good posts there is not easy.  On the other hand, the more technical subsections are not comprehensible by many, and therefore bare less attention by meriters probably than they deserve. Fortunately, there are now more Merit Sources around to try to reach out, but paradoxically (and logically), the more technical the topic the less people that are going to understand it or even be really interested in it. Going back to the shoe corporation example, the designers are essential there, but not many people really understand their language…

There are currently 2.381.734 accounts (see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats), although in terms of active accounts (logged in within the last three months) there are something like 368.297 according to @vod’s BPIP (see https://bpip.org). That means that chances are better than one would have thought initially.

Dude as far as I know, btt have more than 2 million members and now you are expecting immediate result? c'mon! let's just wait mate  . About to your concern that bitcoin discussion has a lot of problem especially the lack of distributor of merit and of course you can also add the lack of moderator there. I believe that they are now doing movement that can help the discussion to be better. Let stay calm and wait for their action to be done.

I know Rules & Merrit is a hot topic.
However, it does not help to build knowledge of bitcoin&cryptoccurrency at all. It seems odd that more Merits are awarded to Rules & Merit than knowledge of cryptocurrency.
I am not talking about changing the rules. It is strange that the postings about Repetitive Rules&Merit receive a lot of Merit.
I think many people seem to be just concentrating more on Rules & Merit than on constructive discussions.

Of course, I also wanted to write constructive posts, so I searched for the Merit posts in this forum. The result is above.

I find this relatively accurate, I also often post identify about Bitcoin market. But in other topics and topics that are often get very little merit.
Although I saw the posts deserves have merit.


This is what I also want.

You now have s strike of three posts in a row that are not bounty reports, all from today. That is a start, forced no doubt by the change of rules. I took nearly two months to get my first merit, so things are not necessarily swift. On top of that, a posting history composed nearly solely based on social network reports does not help.

Rules and merit are a hot topic, and therefore on the radar for discussion where good posts may or may not be merited. Nevertheless, the spectre of options is ample here, so it’s a question of finding yours, and being applied to creating content that is of interest to others, well versed and thought through. Time and though are basic factors to throw in.

Sure, informative is on my list, but often I fell more inclined if the post also throws-in some opinion. For example, I often encounter posts (normally thread initiators) where the author places a link and a brief (often very brief) extract of the information within the link. With a bit more effort, those kind of posts could turn into something good and meritable: making the information summary (not copy/paste) enough so that we don’t really need to follow the link to be informed, and adding and opinion in the process, can boost the post’s worth (albeit at the cost of additional time on behalf of the poster). Perhaps one key factor to consider is time: invest time to upper your chances (as opposed to throw in a 1 minute line and off to the next …).

These subtle criteria differences of focuses among meriters are good for the forum, as diversity opens more chances to be both spotted and merited.

I personally tend not to reward mere opinions, but rather focus on the "information content" of a post.
I.e., if someone posts 100 lines of "I like this or that, it's so great", it's highly unlikely to result in merit.
If, OTOH, he only posts 2 lines about why he likes it, there's a good chance for him to receive merit from me.

First of all, there is normally no point to reviving old threads on the forum. This thread had been dormant for seven months and just woke up through your post from hibernation, only to find that the context has changed quite a bit and, as a result, may end up being counterproductive.

The list you mention may include some, but certainly not all not. Neither are all users on that list a Merit Source. What’s more, the 36 newly added Merit Sources have just started-off, so any try to detect them will result rather futile for the time being.

The quality of a post is complete subjective, so the more Merit Sources and forum members in general that award merit, the more diverse criteria there will be in that definition (which is an advantage to all). There is not standard de-facto.
I personally favour more those posts that debate and express a well-versed opinion to some degree of extent, but many other sorts may qualify such as informative, witty, controversial, that expresses my opinion better than I would do, that makes me think that I may be wrong, and so on.  But that’s just me.
I also tend to look at the posting history, needed to get a rough general idea of how a poster posts, and to detect posts that may attract my attention but do not blend in with history – these are usually plagiarized and a waste of time for all since the more we need to investigate a post, the less time to be reading and meriting others.