Where do you stand on Ferguson? - page 2.

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Quote from: funtotry on March 07, 2015, 01:32:01 PM

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Quote from: KaChingCoinDev on March 06, 2015, 06:28:11 PM

Where do you stand on Ferguson? Whose fault was it?

In th particular event that happened, the policeman was clearly lawfully and righfully defending himself but Ferguson may have a lot of hate issues linked to communities that can't rise themselves out of their problems.

I feel bad for the policeman. Everyone now knows him and might judge him. His life his ruined because of what he did lawfully, he was just doing his job.

"just doing our jobs" was the Nurembeg defense. It failed.

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by the look of the video, it appear that the fault is on the cop of course, but i don't know all the details

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Quote from: desired_username on March 08, 2015, 05:17:11 AM

The poll should have another option: "I don't care, it's only a distraction to keep the sheeple occupied and divide the society"

This ^...

Such localized ethnic conflicts are seems to be safety valves to let the steam going out. Yes, it's violent, yes, you can burn your hands, but it's still localized therefore manageable.

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The poll should have another option: "I don't care, it's only a distraction to keep the sheeple occupied and divide the society"

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Quote from: Snail2 on March 07, 2015, 03:09:57 PM

A ciminal committed robbery and attacked a police officer then he got what he desrved. If he was white nobody would give a shit. As he was black his death was a good reason for some to forge some political capital and for others a good opportunuty for some looting. Pretty much like in London couple of years ago.

Exactly, even though there is way more black on black or black on white crime, they want to push the "white on black racist crime" just because of the liberal agenda. If there community is so good and they really miss him, why are they all looting, they are only enforcing sterotypes even more Tongue

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Quote from: picolo on March 07, 2015, 03:22:03 PM

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Quote from: picolo on March 07, 2015, 12:59:48 PM

Quote from: KaChingCoinDev on March 06, 2015, 06:28:11 PM

Where do you stand on Ferguson? Whose fault was it?

In th particular event that happened, the policeman was clearly lawfully and righfully defending himself but Ferguson may have a lot of hate issues linked to communities that can't rise themselves out of their problems.

This is typical for minorities that abuse the liberal societies and their laws. Call a white guy white, nobody gives a shit. Call a black guy black, suddenly you're racist.
The guy was a robber, assaulted a policeman and ate a bullet. He obviously wasn't fit to live in a society.

Yes but the minorities are oppressed by the state in the sense that the state give them a lot of subsidies that keep them poor and they are oppressed by the liberals that tell them they are victims and that white are racist.

Exactly. This is why I am against affirmative action. There is no "systematic" racism or oppression. If you are hard working you will get a job and you won't be paid less just cause your a minority. There might be some people that are racist but they are entitled to their own opinion, and as long as they are doing no harm, they should just be ignored.

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Quote from: Snipe85 on March 07, 2015, 02:11:15 PM

Quote from: picolo on March 07, 2015, 12:59:48 PM

Quote from: KaChingCoinDev on March 06, 2015, 06:28:11 PM

Where do you stand on Ferguson? Whose fault was it?

In th particular event that happened, the policeman was clearly lawfully and righfully defending himself but Ferguson may have a lot of hate issues linked to communities that can't rise themselves out of their problems.

This is typical for minorities that abuse the liberal societies and their laws. Call a white guy white, nobody gives a shit. Call a black guy black, suddenly you're racist.
The guy was a robber, assaulted a policeman and ate a bullet. He obviously wasn't fit to live in a society.

Yes but the minorities are oppressed by the state in the sense that the state give them a lot of subsidies that keep them poor and they are oppressed by the liberals that tell them they are victims and that white are racist.

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A ciminal committed robbery and attacked a police officer then he got what he desrved. If he was white nobody would give a shit. As he was black his death was a good reason for some to forge some political capital and for others a good opportunuty for some looting. Pretty much like in London couple of years ago.

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Quote from: picolo on March 07, 2015, 12:59:48 PM

Quote from: KaChingCoinDev on March 06, 2015, 06:28:11 PM

Where do you stand on Ferguson? Whose fault was it?

In th particular event that happened, the policeman was clearly lawfully and righfully defending himself but Ferguson may have a lot of hate issues linked to communities that can't rise themselves out of their problems.

This is typical for minorities that abuse the liberal societies and their laws. Call a white guy white, nobody gives a shit. Call a black guy black, suddenly you're racist.
The guy was a robber, assaulted a policeman and ate a bullet. He obviously wasn't fit to live in a society.

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Quote from: sickhouse on March 07, 2015, 01:31:31 PM

One less thug on the street. Wether or not the cop did right I don't know, I am leaning towards not but googling around a bit doesn't make it easier..
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ferguson-shooting-13-facts/2014/11/25/id/609483/

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13. Wilson said Brown was physically uncontrollable and "for lack of a better word, crazy." He said that during the confrontation, he was thinking: "He's gonna kill me. How do I survive?" Legal experts say police officers typically have wide latitude to use deadly force when they feel their safety is threatened.

Sounds like he was on something other marijuana as well, but nothing is said about that..

I also do think that this has false flag written all over it.

Yes there was an autopsy and he indeed was under the influence of marijuana. People who say it was a race issue are the racist ones.

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Quote from: picolo on March 07, 2015, 12:59:48 PM

Quote from: KaChingCoinDev on March 06, 2015, 06:28:11 PM

Where do you stand on Ferguson? Whose fault was it?

In th particular event that happened, the policeman was clearly lawfully and righfully defending himself but Ferguson may have a lot of hate issues linked to communities that can't rise themselves out of their problems.

I feel bad for the policeman. Everyone now knows him and might judge him. His life his ruined because of what he did lawfully, he was just doing his job.

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One less thug on the street. Wether or not the cop did right I don't know, I am leaning towards not but googling around a bit doesn't make it easier..
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ferguson-shooting-13-facts/2014/11/25/id/609483/

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13. Wilson said Brown was physically uncontrollable and "for lack of a better word, crazy." He said that during the confrontation, he was thinking: "He's gonna kill me. How do I survive?" Legal experts say police officers typically have wide latitude to use deadly force when they feel their safety is threatened.

Sounds like he was on something other marijuana as well, but nothing is said about that..

I also do think that this has false flag written all over it.

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Quote from: KaChingCoinDev on March 06, 2015, 06:28:11 PM

Where do you stand on Ferguson? Whose fault was it?

In th particular event that happened, the policeman was clearly lawfully and righfully defending himself but Ferguson may have a lot of hate issues linked to communities that can't rise themselves out of their problems.

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Quote from: manis on March 07, 2015, 02:27:30 AM

Quote from: Possum577 on March 07, 2015, 12:23:30 AM

A criminal f'ing with the police should expect the worst to happen.

Doesn't seem to matter whether you are a criminal or not.

It's simple, obey the law, obey the police, and you will have no problems with them. Police shootings are a rarity and as Michael Brown actually ASSAULTED him and grabbed for his gun, he was fearing for his own life.

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Quote from: Possum577 on March 07, 2015, 12:23:30 AM

A criminal f'ing with the police should expect the worst to happen.

You got that backwards. The police are supposed to protect and serve, follow due process of law, and escalate to lethal force ONLY when they or other bystanders are in mortal danger.

A criminal should expect to be treated exactly as the laws of the land say he should be. Unless that criminal is a black male in racist as fuck middle America, in which case he should regard police as enemy combatants. Kill them before they kill you.

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Quote from: Possum577 on March 07, 2015, 12:23:30 AM

A criminal f'ing with the police should expect the worst to happen.

Doesn't seem to matter whether you are a criminal or not.

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A criminal f'ing with the police should expect the worst to happen.

It's awful that the recent study finds a lot of racism in Ferguson. I believe there wasn't any racism in the encounter with Brown. If you read the cops testimony you can see that the actions were all based on the fact that Brown was a suspect in a robbery, wasn't complying with police requests, and eventually fired the cop's gun in his car.

I do believe that the cop, a rookie, acted too severely in how many times he shot Brown. The shots were excessive but the need for shots to be fired was 100% brought on by Brown...he could have lived through that incident, he decided not to.

Seems like there's a lot of racism in Ferguson on both sides of the color wheel.

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brown robbed a store, ignored order from cop to get off the road, resisted when cop realised he was wanted for the robbery, threatened and physically attacked the cop, dna found on the gun, never had his hands up. if you side with brown its because your hatred of the cops has made you irrational.

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Although there are several individuals who have stated that Brown held his hands up in
an unambiguous sign of surrender prior to Wilson shooting him dead, their accounts do not
support a prosecution of Wilson. As detailed throughout this report, some of those accounts are
inaccurate because they are inconsistent with the physical and forensic evidence; some of those
accounts are materially inconsistent with that witness’s own prior statements with no
explanation, credible for otherwise, as to why those accounts changed over time. Certain other
witnesses who originally stated Brown had his hands up in surrender recanted their original
accounts, admitting that they did not witness the shooting or parts of it, despite what they
initially reported either to federal or local law enforcement or to the media. Prosecutors did not
rely on those accounts when making a prosecutive decision

http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown.pdf

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There will be some changes at the edges, maybe improvements to the municipal court system, maybe a civilian police review board, but they will barely impact the overall problem of race relations in this region.

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Quote from: ajareselde on March 06, 2015, 08:10:40 PM

Quote from: funtotry on March 06, 2015, 07:39:56 PM

Don't really have time to explain my opinion but what is common with all of these crimes, is that if the victim never actually did a crime, there would no police and therefore would still be alive today. That is a fact

I have to say that i disagree. There is some truth to what you are saying, but there are also fundamental approaches that any officer of the law shouldnt use any more force than
it is really required to. For example, would you say its ok that if your kid steals a lolypop from the store, and the officers uses taser gun on him ?

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Yes I agree with that, but police USUALLY are not like this. They have lives to and if there is someone armed or dangerous they get scared and likely will not make decisions very well. Haven't heard of a cop shooting a taser gun at a kid stealing a lolypop, that would be insane, the kid poses no thread (other than the dangerous lolypop of course Grin

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