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Topic: Where does the left-wing love for Islam came from? (Read 1603 times)

legendary
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Isn't leftist liberals a contradiction? Leftists usually are opposed to freedom and want to give government more control.

Yes. The leftists are in for increased governmental surveillance and control. But these measures can't be imposed on No-Go areas, which are inhabited by the Muslim immigrants. Take the case of Sweden as an example. There are many no go areas in Muslim-majority regions of Sweden (especially around Malmo), where the law enforcement authorities have no control of the situation. Therefore the governmental measures will have zero effect upon them.
sr. member
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The Muslim immigrants to the Western nations always vote for the extreme-left and center-left political parties. That explains the deep love which the leftist liberals have for these people. The leftist support among the native population has been going down ever since the 1980s. These Muslim immigrants have helped them to turn that around.
Isn't leftist liberals a contradiction? Leftists usually are opposed to freedom and want to give government more control.
legendary
Activity: 3752
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The Muslim immigrants to the Western nations always vote for the extreme-left and center-left political parties. That explains the deep love which the leftist liberals have for these people. The leftist support among the native population has been going down ever since the 1980s. These Muslim immigrants have helped them to turn that around.
legendary
Activity: 1218
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About Russia/USSR, sorry to disagree.
Arabs have no particular friendship with them, just do business due to be in the neighborhood. Let's not forget the Ottoman Empire fell mostly due to Russia, the Afghanistan war in the 80's, the religious ban imposed on all the Soviet Union and their satellites, such as Albania.
Up to not long ago, leftists couldn't see Muslims, it just started to change post-Israel due to leftists being lured into believe Palestinians were socialists (yeah, right...) and later with the US' "big Satan" as a common enemy.
cr7
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Common enemy of course. They both hate USA.

And the relations between arabs and Soviet Union are old
legendary
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Some people with a limited knowledge (and understanding) of history see muslims as victims of colonialism, American imperialism or more globally, the almighty white man who wants to rule the world. I guess they should learn more, but they don't want to.

They are not that wrong, Muslims are indeed victims of a con white man:

Quote from: Sahih Bukhari 1:3:63
Narrated Anas bin Malik: While we were sitting with the Prophet in the mosque, a man came riding on a camel. He made his camel kneel down in the mosque, tied its foreleg and then said: "Who amongst you is Muhammad?" At that time the Prophet was sitting amongst us (his companions) leaning on his arm. We replied, "This white man reclining on his arm." The an then addressed him, "O Son of 'Abdul Muttalib."...

Maybe if we show them this Hadith they will turn around... Grin

More on his whiteness: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Muhammad's_White_Complexion
legendary
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Your country may be your worst enemy
Some people with a limited knowledge (and understanding) of history see muslims as victims of colonialism, American imperialism or more globally, the almighty white man who wants to rule the world. I guess they should learn more, but they don't want to.
hero member
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https://youtu.be/PZm8TTLR2NU
Seriously, they got me confused there!  Huh
Read this book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_Loving

“Love is not primarily a relationship to a specific person; it is an attitude, an ordination of character which determines the relatedness of the person to the whole world as a whole, not toward one object of love”

“If a person loves only one other person and is indifferent to all others, his love is not love but a symbiotic attachment, or an enlarged egotism.”

“Love is a decision, it is a judgment, it is a promise. If love were only a feeling, there would be no basis for the promise to love each other forever. A feeling comes and it may go. How can I judge that it will stay forever, when my act does not involve judgment and decision.”

“Love isn't something natural. Rather it requires discipline, concentration, patience, faith, and the overcoming of narcissism. It isn't a feeling, it is a practice.”

“Paradoxically, the ability to be alone is the condition for the ability to love.”  [compassion for oneself is the prerequisite of compassion for another]

“Infantile love follows the principle: "I love because I am loved."
Mature love follows the principle: "I am loved because I love."
immature love says: "I love you because I need you."
Mature love says: "I need you because I love you.”  

― Erich Fromm, The Art of Loving

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The human world breaks down into opposing forces: knowledge and ignorance, compassion and apathy, kindness and cruelty, wisdom and folly, reason and superstition, pleasure and suffering.

The suffering of one is the suffering of all. The pleasure of one is the pleasure of all. Such is the reality a loving mind dictates.

legendary
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the left doesnt love islam it loves people who vote for it, 80% of non whites including muslims vote for left wing parties who know they cant rely on the traditional white working class any more

But they will just vote for then until they have their Islamic parties... Does this means Muslims take leftists for fools? Probably...
Yes.  Non muslims are considered somewhat less than human.
legendary
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Islam is far from success, as you may know there are lots of factions and sects. Just like in socialism, btw.
It seams to be a common feature of "appealing to greed" based ideologies. Because they are but scams mounted over dozens of fallacies, and everyday a new scammer tries to pull the same scam believing "this time it will work".
legendary
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Islam has a working slavery format. Communism in Russia failed, and it will fail in China, as well. Islam is like a form of Communism that isn't failing.

The left wants socialism. Socialism (Communism and Islam) takes from everybody and gives to the leaders, while making everybody else to be in equal poverty. This is Communism, Islam and the left.

Islam is the best socialism operation around. It is succeeding where other forms (like Communism) have failed. The left wants socialism that works. It is called Islam. They want it for themselves.

Smiley
legendary
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They don't love islam that much, they are open to all kind of religions. That is their problem.

No they are not. Just listen to them jumping on Christianity.

Because, typically, Christians don't play "victim."
they play the role of the apathetic 'ill pray for you' bystander.
legendary
Activity: 1218
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the left doesnt love islam it loves people who vote for it, 80% of non whites including muslims vote for left wing parties who know they cant rely on the traditional white working class any more

But they will just vote for then until they have their Islamic parties... Does this means Muslims take leftists for fools? Probably...
legendary
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the left doesnt love islam it loves people who vote for it, 80% of non whites including muslims vote for left wing parties who know they cant rely on the traditional white working class any more
legendary
Activity: 2912
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They don't love islam that much, they are open to all kind of religions. That is their problem.

No they are not. Just listen to them jumping on Christianity.

Because, typically, Christians don't play "victim."
legendary
Activity: 1218
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They don't love islam that much, they are open to all kind of religions. That is their problem.

No they are not. Just listen to them jumping on Christianity.
full member
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They don't love islam that much, they are open to all kind of religions. That is their problem.
legendary
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If that's the reason, that's pretty naive. Islam has its own agenda, and for sure ain't a left-wing one.

For a while muslims will serve their agenda and they will try to ride the wave. Or they can be ideal cannon fodder. Sometimes I think the political elite have something for us in their pockets about letting more muslims in and escalating the situation to a series of armed conflicts. Certainly there will be too few muslims to take and hold power for long but the destruction will be huge and after suppressing these uprisings (and wiping out most of their tools) the elite can ask for the "unity of Europe" as a defensive measure against the "horde" and for absolute power during the crisis (of course such a crisis could last very very long)... and I guess the scared and furious masses will grant them all what they asking for. But perhaps it's all about my false perceptions Smiley.
legendary
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If that's the reason, that's pretty naive. Islam has its own agenda, and for sure ain't a left-wing one.

In the USA, the left tries to attract all groups for which a "victim mentality" can be applied.  Thus Blacks, Hispanics, factory men, Muslims.  Does not matter that Muslims far right religous fundamentalists.
legendary
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If that's the reason, that's pretty naive. Islam has its own agenda, and for sure ain't a left-wing one.
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