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Quote from: Captain Corporate on March 30, 2023, 07:11:56 PM

I would say when you make a bad trade, do not sell and instead DCA, this of course works with btc and not all altcoins. Some of the altcoins are so terrible that they will keep going down and down and never back up and will die, and if you picked one of those then you are going to end up with a big loss. However, if we are talking about bitcoin trading, and if you buy at the top, then all you gotta do is buy more and DCA your way out of it. This means you will have less and less need for the price to go up, and eventually will profit when it goes up. Will take money and time to do it, but at least its a way out.

What if they already set a stop loss? I don't think a trader can wait for the assets to recover once they start dumping but the one that usually does that are the investors. If you invest on a newer altcoin and if you doubt about their future, you should also set a stop loss so that you won't lose further. They might recover but the chance of it might only be small.

When it comes to BTC, if we accidentally buys at the top, we can wait for a while as there is a chance that the increase will continue. We can then sell to get out and start investing again at the dip. If we think the price of BTC is not yet high, we can continue doing a DCA as there might be more increase that will come.

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Quote from: Flexystar on March 31, 2023, 11:30:24 AM

First of all, do not add "hashtag" everywhere because that is not going to be helpful considering we are on the SMF which does not support hashtagged. Just leave it as it is OR you can bold or underline the important words you want everyone to read about.

Well, what I understand from your post is, you trying to work the math if someone is selling profits then who is buying? Let us understand that the market is full of investors, and volume is always driving because for every investor an entry point could be different all the time. I mean you may think you are in profit and selling at very high prices but for someone, it could be just initial entry or they are just buying because they are long-term whales who keep eating whatever comes in handy.

This is why the market works two ways and if you are selling then someone is always buying. Obviously, it works only in the case of high-volume markets such as bitcoin.

So in essence, when someone is selling, someone is definitely buying. It's a cycle that will always exist, if you are confused then look at buying and selling transactions on one coin, we will see at the same time buying and selling transactions so quickly. Things like this seem familiar to be questioned.
You are right, when we sell at the highest price, it doesn't mean that everyone will feel the same way, it could be that they are just starting out by buying and adding assets to their portfolio. So as it is said, where there are those who sell there will definitely be those who buy.

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First of all, do not add "hashtag" everywhere because that is not going to be helpful considering we are on the SMF which does not support hashtagged. Just leave it as it is OR you can bold or underline the important words you want everyone to read about.

Well, what I understand from your post is, you trying to work the math if someone is selling profits then who is buying? Let us understand that the market is full of investors, and volume is always driving because for every investor an entry point could be different all the time. I mean you may think you are in profit and selling at very high prices but for someone, it could be just initial entry or they are just buying because they are long-term whales who keep eating whatever comes in handy.

This is why the market works two ways and if you are selling then someone is always buying. Obviously, it works only in the case of high-volume markets such as bitcoin.

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No need to be too technical about these. Just aim for the profits and don't mind where these profits came from.

It won't give any benefit to us in the first place and besides here in trading, we just have to mind our own business.

Buying low, selling high - seems a simple statement but is hard to execute in reality, in most cases.

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I would say when you make a bad trade, do not sell and instead DCA, this of course works with btc and not all altcoins. Some of the altcoins are so terrible that they will keep going down and down and never back up and will die, and if you picked one of those then you are going to end up with a big loss. However, if we are talking about bitcoin trading, and if you buy at the top, then all you gotta do is buy more and DCA your way out of it. This means you will have less and less need for the price to go up, and eventually will profit when it goes up. Will take money and time to do it, but at least its a way out.

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Why is this point of entry matters to you?

Trading is not that simple and it requires vast understanding of what's actually happening inside and outside of the market. But you have a choice to choose whether you will get affected by the current trend or control your emotions and continue on what you would be doing.

The basic principles are buying low and sell high it ain't that hard but I guess you waited a little longer that's why you missed and being greedy will always bring you to the bottom. Take the profit already if you see it and proceed with another strategy since you are not the only one doing what you think you are doing is unique.

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Quote from: Poorwithbtc.eth on March 28, 2023, 12:48:10 PM

When investing in #crypto, you need to understand where the profits come from? . You buy low and sell high at many times, but you don't always buy at the bottom and sell at the top. I jumped in and ended up not getting a good #entry , then the account was not profitable , even lost & lost . What you need to decide is when the market has explored very deeply, the whole community is afraid to panic you buy at such times, don't listen to the media at those times, it all just annoys and scares you. so all plus outside there . Remember carefully: high profits come from beautiful #entry and waiting. Decisiveness and innovation for sustainable profits! #future is a tool for the house to hook up the coins from the community after 1 season of #uptrend failure = stay away from it!

It's not always that you'll be able to sell at the peak price of the coin you're trading and also won't be able to buy at the lowest when you're trying to buy.
What matters is that you'll be able to buy at a decent considered low price and able to sell at a higher price whether it's not the peak or just near to it or just average.
The important thing is you're profiting from your trades and even if you're not able to maximize your profits, that's fine because the goal is to make a profit and it's unpredictable as well whether you'll be able to see the top of it or not.
The greedy traders are even the ones that have experience losses because they're too hopeful and expecting more than what's in front of them and they don't secure their profits.

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Quote from: Z390 on March 30, 2023, 06:42:43 AM

Hm, many people will forget this and get tired of holding, it is not as easy to hold your coins as many are saying, when you hold your Bitcoin and plan ti sell years later you have to pray that nothing bad should happen within that period, because you will have no choice but to sell your holdings to safe your life or someone's else.

Everyone could really be versatile on which we do know that each one of us does have different goals or targets in life.It is really dumb on making a selling decision if you
do saw that the condition of a coin you've been holding is on bearish mode or dumping situation? Of course you would really be holding it no matter what and would
wait up further because we know that it isnt really just that worth for you to sell out on low price situation.You wouldnt really be that
dumb on making out that decision.

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Quote from: Poorwithbtc.eth on March 28, 2023, 12:48:10 PM

When investing in #crypto, you need to understand where the profits come from? . You buy low and sell high at many times, but you don't always buy at the bottom and sell at the top. I jumped in and ended up not getting a good #entry , then the account was not profitable , even lost & lost . What you need to decide is when the market has explored very deeply, the whole community is afraid to panic you buy at such times, don't listen to the media at those times, it all just annoys and scares you. so all plus outside there . Remember carefully: high profits come from beautiful #entry and waiting. Decisiveness and innovation for sustainable profits! #future is a tool for the house to hook up the coins from the community after 1 season of #uptrend failure = stay away from it!

Depends on which crypto you are talking about...

If you are talking about some altcoin with absolutely no innovation or anything backing it and no business model behind it then its probably 100% speculative, in which case the profits you earn from it are from the people buying the coin/token. This could be seen as unethical but thats basically what memecoins are.

If you have an innovative coin with an innovative blockchain then thats a different thing.

And if you have a business model pumping profits into the coin then thats where the profits come from. And if that coin is combined with an innovative technology then thats a solid altcoin which could very well be worth investing in.

But a lot of altcoins lack innovation and just copy the original top coins.

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Quote from: Oilacris on March 28, 2023, 04:56:45 PM

We do know that this market is composed of Buyers and sellers which means the money you do able to profit or get is coming from the other side who do losses up a trade which this could be simply be

looking like a tug-of-war but of course we are really that aiming on the same thing which getting into the right buying point or entering on bottom or would really be selling out when the price peaks.

The question is, how to determine these things? No one really knows and this is why lots of people cant really be able to take a good grasps when it comes to
trading which it is really just a normal thing since its never been that easy in the first place.

That's exactly how the market works, the price point which you consider to be the best for buying is probably the best selling price for someone else who is selling you those coins, and the point where you take profits is the time when someone else is just buying for the sake of getting profits. So, the timings of different traders, buyers and sellers, always differ but eventually, they are reach their desired destinations, some with higher profits and some with less.

Timing the market is definitely not easy, at the times of panic, one may go for buying more looking at the price dropping, but you never know, the price can drop even more. So, there's never really an exact bottom to buy nor there is an exact top to sell. It all depends on what you aim for as a trader.

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Quote from: Poorwithbtc.eth on March 28, 2023, 12:48:10 PM

When investing in #crypto, you need to understand where the profits come from? . You buy low and sell high at many times, but you don't always buy at the bottom and sell at the top. I jumped in and ended up not getting a good #entry , then the account was not profitable , even lost & lost . What you need to decide is when the market has explored very deeply, the whole community is afraid to panic you buy at such times, don't listen to the media at those times, it all just annoys and scares you. so all plus outside there . Remember carefully: high profits come from beautiful #entry and waiting. Decisiveness and innovation for sustainable profits! #future is a tool for the house to hook up the coins from the community after 1 season of #uptrend failure = stay away from it!

You are right but this strategy will only work for those who want to buy and hold for long time. This type of scenario can be seen in two or three times in year and its not good for those traders who want daily earning. i think the better strategy is to buy some specific coins in every dip because if you wait long for bug dip , may be you miss ship and And you didn't get a chance to buy low

Trading is more beneficial than holding. suppose you buy one coin when there extreme fear in market. this tokens can give you 2x in two months but at the same time if you buy low and sell high multiple times then you will make 4x in two months because we know that any token doesn't rises straight but reached high price after creating multiple up and down charts.

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Quote from: Fatunad on March 29, 2023, 06:28:58 PM

Quote from: Findingnemo on March 29, 2023, 02:41:33 PM

I just want to give direct answer to this, a profit of someone comes from the loss of someone's and that is the reality so when you buy and how you buy or what made you buy doesn't matter, just wait for the right time to sell which means sell for the price which should be higher than the price when you bought and that's it.

Buy low Sell high is the basic principle and just like what been mentioned but it isnt something that do comes so easy for someone to do so.Profits do really come into those people who had lost
into the other side.Exchange platforms are really just making money out of those trading fees on what those traders been doing specially on taking or making up orders.
This is why we do have several exchange platforms which are known and been used and we know that they are really that generating huge revenue out of those
trades which it do make them consistent and able to sustain.

I believe trading platforms make more money with their withdrawal fee not from the trading fees because most of the reputed exchange has negligible trading fee but the withdrawal fees are x times higher than the actual transaction fee at the current blockchain status and also they combine batch transactions so they are making more money in that.

And exchanges make money from the crypto assets we deposit to them because it's not really our wallet and they can use it for whatever they wanted and simply show us the figures since it's off chain and the best example for this is FTX they invested users money over their 100s of companies and lost it.

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Hm, many people will forget this and get tired of holding, it is not as easy to hold your coins as many are saying, when you hold your Bitcoin and plan ti sell years later you have to pray that nothing bad should happen within that period, because you will have no choice but to sell your holdings to safe your life or someone's else.

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Quote from: Poorwithbtc.eth on March 29, 2023, 12:35:46 AM

In fact, buying the bottom and selling the top is very difficult. Because as everyone knows the "bottom" is made up where there are the most sellers and the "top" is where the most buyers are.

Have you incurred big loss from crypto market as your username suggests asking just out of curiosity? Second you can't exactly tell what's the bottom point and top level at which you decide entry or exit to the market as it's too difficult.You need to check that ar what bottom level you can invest or what are high goals for you not the whole market making personal profits and satisfactory returns.If you can time it out it will work for you but not always.

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Its not easy about theory said how to earn profit in cryptocurrency trading, there are not guarantee when you buy on lower price have chance another lower price come back later after your order filled. Before I begin investing in bitcoin many predicting and people said its easy buy on lower price then sell later after price pump.

But in the reality I faced many complicated problem from coins drop drastically after investing although have entry on lower price and another dip price coming later. Actually to consistent with profit have been patience and spent several kinds price order buy not all in for the same price. You need spent fund each 30% for getting difference buy order how to manage later if price drop drastically.

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entry is always essential in gaining profit but the think is, just remember when the coin are getting corrected so hard back then, if we think using good logic then that's certainly best time ever for accumulation yet many are still hesitant and when the market getting any better they regret that they didn't accumulate, it's always state of psychology that holds many from earning profits, so it's certainly not as easy as saying that we should get best entry out there in order to make tremendous returns. there are many thing that could affect the decision making and certainly fear and hesitation is always such big influence, moreover the fact that we don't have any slightest idea in regard of when market gonna be bottoming outs adds the difficulty.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on March 29, 2023, 02:41:33 PM

I just want to give direct answer to this, a profit of someone comes from the loss of someone's and that is the reality so when you buy and how you buy or what made you buy doesn't matter, just wait for the right time to sell which means sell for the price which should be higher than the price when you bought and that's it.

Buy low Sell high is the basic principle and just like what been mentioned but it isnt something that do comes so easy for someone to do so.Profits do really come into those people who had lost
into the other side.Exchange platforms are really just making money out of those trading fees on what those traders been doing specially on taking or making up orders.
This is why we do have several exchange platforms which are known and been used and we know that they are really that generating huge revenue out of those
trades which it do make them consistent and able to sustain.

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I just want to give direct answer to this, a profit of someone comes from the loss of someone's and that is the reality so when you buy and how you buy or what made you buy doesn't matter, just wait for the right time to sell which means sell for the price which should be higher than the price when you bought and that's it.

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Profits come for thosw who are late entries and those who losses sponsor the result of buying late. Isnt that the purpose of trading, buy low sell high? Those who bought early have their advantages since they could sell at any time due to multiplier and those who sold late arent gonna sell it and instead holding to break the price of their negative asset. Well not all, but its gotta be like that hence no one wanted a loss easily.

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Quote from: Poorwithbtc.eth on March 28, 2023, 12:48:10 PM

When investing in #crypto, you need to understand where the profits come from? .

Explain it with Zero-sum game

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Zero-sum game is a mathematical representation in game theory and economic theory of a situation which involves two sides, where the result is an advantage for one side and an equivalent loss for the other. In other words, player one's gain is equivalent to player two's loss, therefore the net improvement in benefit of the game is zero

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You buy low and sell high at many times, but you don't always buy at the bottom and sell at the top.

Don't chase the absolute bottom and top, you can not catch them perfectly. Don't time the market as you will fail. Let the market does it natural movement and your responsibility with your capital is Dollar Cost Averaging Bitcoin. It is especially helpful in bear market.

https://dcabtc.com/

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