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Who are the "Winkelvass" twins?

I believe he is referring to these guys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winklevoss_twins. They are known to have splurged quite a lot on buying some BTC back when it was at around the ~$100 mark I think from memory, although you may want to check some older news articles for the exact time and figures. I'm not sure if their intention is to cash out big or wait for the time being hoping for widespread adoption..
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Who are the "Winkelvass" twins?
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What do you expect, it went from 400$ to 1000$ in a week, opposite can happen as well. Just relax. It will go up eventually
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most people dont have plans or rules for their investments, and thats why panic sells (ie crashes) happen, have a plan, apply it consistently, for instance have a rule which says by all means sell at the "Top" but only once a falling market is confirmed to be happening, but if you dont get to it before it falls to a certain predetermined level, then DO NOT SELL at all, because its too late to
 
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Where art thou oh saviors of bitcoin?? I need some assurance!!  Huh

I put in all my savings a few weeks ago when BTC was $680... it almost doubled and now im back in the negative and it's falling FAST!! Should I panic? Anyone selling?

My gut tells me to just hold it but I have the worst luck with money and investing so i dunno... Im afraid im gonna lose everything like I did in the stock market. Im sooo glad i didnt invest my dad's money in it. Fuck what the hell is going on?? I wish Max would talk about bitcoins again Sad


If you sell now you will have definitely lost money. Ride it out. Only fools panic-sell. They are largely responsible for this 'crash'.
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Each crash makes bitcoin more affordable to new people who have been watching. e.g. I got into bitcoin at $2 after seeing it crash from $30. This is all good and it's going to be the same at $10k although probably less so.

agreed, what many people who are panicking don't get is that regardless of what it converts to in fiat , no government, no bank, no company and no one can control bitcoin, they can't print more of it and just on that basis alone it will always be worth something. Governements and financial institutions must be doing seriously large poos and it wouldn't surprise me if the US launched it's own internet currency to try to kill it, but.... that wont work either because bitcoin has promise, loads of promise and in the long term it will deliver. I got in at 15 , I'm not worried , in fact I'm enjoying the ride
 
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Early adopters of any pyramid scheme usually disappears and enjoy the profits they have made after cashing out ...
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Where art thou oh saviors of bitcoin?? I need some assurance!!  Huh


I put in all my savings a few weeks ago when BTC was $680... it almost doubled and now im back in the negative and it's falling FAST!! Should I panic? Anyone selling?

My gut tells me to just hold it but I have the worst luck with money and investing so i dunno... Im afraid im gonna lose everything like I did in the stock market. Im sooo glad i didnt invest my dad's money in it. Fuck what the hell is going on?? I wish Max would talk about bitcoins again Sad

your fine
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Each crash makes bitcoin more affordable to new people who have been watching. e.g. I got into bitcoin at $2 after seeing it crash from $30. This is all good and it's going to be the same at $10k although probably less so.
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Where art thou oh saviors of bitcoin?? I need some assurance!!  Huh


I put in all my savings a few weeks ago when BTC was $680... it almost doubled and now im back in the negative and it's falling FAST!! Should I panic? Anyone selling?

My gut tells me to just hold it but I have the worst luck with money and investing so i dunno... Im afraid im gonna lose everything like I did in the stock market. Im sooo glad i didnt invest my dad's money in it. Fuck what the hell is going on?? I wish Max would talk about bitcoins again Sad

Hold it. This is how Bitcoin grows. When there is a spike or milestone (1,10,100,1000,etc) in the value it will always fall after.
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The normal , sensible people around the world are starting to wake up and take advantage of this ripe picking. I wouldn't worry too much! I will eat my own wallet if I am wrong!

Edit: I forgot to mention this wallet will be made of cake.
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Reason for drop explained at the following linked thread:

So apparently 80% realize and up to 20% are willing to panic.

So this is how the concentration of ownership in Bitcoin possibly increases, as the weak hands pass it to the strong hands.

Yes.  This is how pigs get slaughtered. Smiley

The bold text applies to everyone who sold during this dip.
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Where art thou oh saviors of bitcoin?? I need some assurance!!  Huh


I put in all my savings a few weeks ago when BTC was $680... it almost doubled and now im back in the negative and it's falling FAST!! Should I panic? Anyone selling?

My gut tells me to just hold it but I have the worst luck with money and investing so i dunno... Im afraid im gonna lose everything like I did in the stock market. Im sooo glad i didnt invest my dad's money in it. Fuck what the hell is going on?? I wish Max would talk about bitcoins again Sad

If its savings then presumably its money you dont need right now. Think of it as a savings plan with a 2-5 year lock in. Over this time frame if btc succeeds you'll be minted. Dont dont dont panic sell on the 1 st sign of a correction.
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I cut my losses… back to where I was in Sept. Hoping for a two digit crash now… Bitcoin less than $100 would be a good time to buy and hold.
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So you are saying it will change the way global finance works... and it will do that by not increasing its current market cap? Just lol..

Napster changed the way file sharing works and tell me how many files did you download with napster today? How many Aliweb searches did you do today? How many lines of Smalltalk code did you write? How's Mosaic working for you? Just because a technology changes the way the world works doesn't mean it happens to be the final technology. Bitcoin could be the napster to a new CC that becomes bittorrent. Stop being stupid.

And that's why i said UNLESS SOMETHING MAJOR HAPPENS THAT KILLS BTC.... AKA BEING REPLACED BY ANOTHER CC YOU MORON



(Don't worry im just kidding)
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So you are saying it will change the way global finance works... and it will do that by not increasing its current market cap? Just lol..

Napster changed the way file sharing works and tell me how many files did you download with napster today? How many Aliweb searches did you do today? How many lines of Smalltalk code did you write? How's Mosaic working for you? Just because a technology changes the way the world works doesn't mean it happens to be the final technology. Bitcoin could be the napster to a new CC that becomes bittorrent. Stop being stupid.
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I'm dying.
Where art thou oh saviors of bitcoin?? I need some assurance!!  Huh


I put in all my savings a few weeks ago when BTC was $680... it almost doubled and now im back in the negative and it's falling FAST!! Should I panic? Anyone selling?

My gut tells me to just hold it but I have the worst luck with money and investing so i dunno... Im afraid im gonna lose everything like I did in the stock market. Im sooo glad i didnt invest my dad's money in it. Fuck what the hell is going on?? I wish Max would talk about bitcoins again Sad
Do not panic. That's what the masses do and screw the currencies. Just have patience.
Bitcoin has had the same situation some months ago.

Just sit on your bitcoins. In 2 months you'll be rich.

or in 2 weeks you'll have lost more money. no one knows what's going to happen, and anyone who pretends to is just fooling you. in this game, you are the one to make your bed.
How about everyone calms the f down? : )

In the past week, in the US people were celebrating different things. Then another 2 big things shocked the masses.
Masses started to sell BTC>Fiat, which means it's reasonable. X-mass is coming, people withdraw fiat to buy gifts for their lovely ones.


Whenever I see people panicking I wanna hit myself in the face. But from the other side, I manipulate those sheep and get my gains in a small period of time..


So, thanks everyone who sold under $700. Luv y'all.
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Thank you, we have some notion of fundamentals here finally. The value of a bitcoin needs to be somewhat related to the cost of production + the perceived utility it provides + speculation of future value - (risks + FUD factors). Demand from commerce has some play in this model, but it's currently impossible to know. Bitcoin makes a very poor currency right now. So far a wonderful store of value, but a terrible currency. Thus I don't suspect we will see a lot coins used for commerce until either the market stabilizes with high liquidity and low volatility (probably never going to happen because the supply constraints always force unstable equilibria) or  if we have a derivate cryptocurrency like mastercoin that allows for assets somehow pegged to a fiat standard.

What's the conclusion? The mass appreciation in price has come from speculation and thus the price WILL BE HIGHLY VOLATILE!  
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Well in response to the other posts I DO think bitcoins are revolutionary and a series of speculative bubbles. With only 21 million coins being available and with demand increasing every year isn't it common sense that the value will go up? Granted there are no flaws and no major event that kills bitcoins (the Baidu shit can't be enough). I don't believe in all the rubbish people produce with charts showing bubbles and patterns. If there is ANY pattern/trend that is true to bitcoins, it's that the price has always been increasing

This is just shear idiocy. No there isn't a law that states the Bitcoin Network must appreciate in value. Also it can be replaced at any time by a new payment network with superior features. Do you have any data on usage and demand for coins? Do you have any data on the hoarding behavior or the users? No, you're just making an overly simplistic assumption almost as wrong as Homer's belief about stock ownership: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQI___0B00M.

Bitcoin is the first of a group of technologies that will eventually change the way global finance works. There is no law to force Bitcoin to be the technology that receives all the value. It is the first. Feathercoin with enough devs could actually beat Bitcoin.


So you are saying it will change the way global finance works... and it will do that by not increasing its current market cap? Just lol..
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Well in response to the other posts I DO think bitcoins are revolutionary and a series of speculative bubbles. With only 21 million coins being available and with demand increasing every year isn't it common sense that the value will go up? Granted there are no flaws and no major event that kills bitcoins (the Baidu shit can't be enough). I don't believe in all the rubbish people produce with charts showing bubbles and patterns. If there is ANY pattern/trend that is true to bitcoins, it's that the price has always been increasing

This is just shear idiocy. No there isn't a law that states the Bitcoin Network must appreciate in value. Also it can be replaced at any time by a new payment network with superior features. Do you have any data on usage and demand for coins? Do you have any data on the hoarding behavior or the users? No, you're just making an overly simplistic assumption almost as wrong as Homer's belief about stock ownership: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQI___0B00M.

Bitcoin is the first of a group of technologies that will eventually change the way global finance works. There is no law to force Bitcoin to be the technology that receives all the value. It is the first. Feathercoin with enough devs could actually beat Bitcoin.

Technically its difficulty is its appreciation.

Like all assets it has a perceived value (the speculative side) and its base value (cost to make).

For instance, if gold fell below $1000oz, and if the reports on gold extraction costing roughly $1000 an oz are true, then the base value of gold is 1000oz, the fact it sells for 1200oz is due to its 200 perceived value ontop of the 1000 base.

If it fell below the $1000 mark it would be hoarded as nobody would sell.

With bitcoin, if it stayed below the value of all the mining gear and power bills (the base value) it will probably stop being mined in mass, and won't be sold at a loss. This will open up altcoins though.
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