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March 06, 2013, 03:29:19 AM
#53
Just keep spewing the same gibberish over and over cupcake. Grin Too bad yer l33t trollin' skillz aren't doing much to get your chips packaged and tested. Awww...and look at that the network hashrate just keeps on growing. Sure hope you guys catch a break real soon...doubtless you'll be shipping any day now right? Tongue
legendary
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March 06, 2013, 03:17:06 AM
#52
I'm just going to leave this here.  Poor little guy can't even get his dates straight. Sad June... October, I mean, what's 5 months, right?

Everyone's a liar but you Josh, well you and that convicted thief you work with. Where are those ASICs you were paid to produce last June btw? Any progress on that front? Lemme guess...next month right?

The dumb act suits you Joshua, well done! Grin We both know when you sleazeballs began taking pre-order funds and we both know when your first shipping date was missed for your ASIC line of products. For those that don't it was OCTOBER 2012.

Golly Mister Wizard, if you've already compiled the proof as you say, then posting it here should be a trivial task!

Go on, Creative-I-Don't-Need-No-Evidence-To-Form-An-Opinion-X - keep telling us how you don't wan't the first 1500 GH/s minirig off the line because it "wouldn't be fair to the people who paid."  The more times you say it, the more people believe you, right?!  Right?!  Heck, maybe if you say it enough even you will start to believe it!

Aww shucks!
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March 06, 2013, 02:28:57 AM
#51
Wow, you can't even keep your lies straight in the same thread.  Do tell, how does June - March = 5 months?  By my count, that's 10 months.  So which is it, is it June or November?  Can't keep your little stories straight? Aww I wonder why?  Maybe because you tell so many lies, you don't know if you're coming or going, do you?  Poor little guy.  3 posts and you can't keep your dates straight.

Yes, please, do tell how you don't want to trouble yourself with providing proof for your claims for a guaranteed $30,000 minirig hand delivered to your door in a limo (or USPS, whichever you prefer).  I'm sure everyone reading this thread believes you. Really.  I'm sure they do.  Right?  Right?

The dumb act suits you Joshua, well done! Grin We both know when you sleazeballs began taking pre-order funds and we both know when your first shipping date was missed for your ASIC line of products. For those that don't it was OCTOBER 2012.

...and there are very plainly no guaranteed deliveries with BFL. That should be obvious to anyone that's observed the ongoing saga of missed BFL fairy tale shipping dates. Heck Avalon began work on their ASIC hardware long after you bozos and there are numerous users with confirmed working units, some even have several units. The fail level at BFL is off the charts...well done sport. Smiley

You're obviously hard of seeing so I'll 'splain this step by step so as to make it easy for you to follow along:
 
1) Build a minirig SC You clowns at BFL have been working on this step since 06/2012...time to step it up don'tcha think?
2) ESCROW SAID MINING GEAR It's not that I don't trust you sir, it's just that I'm able to read.
3) Notify me when the above steps are completed
4) Read the encyclopedia sized tome of deceitful and anti-competitive BFL marketing ploys as chronicled by yours truly

K, sunshine? So stop the outflows from your trollhole and get some products built Mr. COO.
legendary
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March 06, 2013, 01:56:17 AM
#50
Wow, you can't even keep your lies straight in the same thread.  Do tell, how does June - March = 5 months?  By my count, that's 10 months.  So which is it, is it June or November?  Can't keep your little stories straight? Aww I wonder why?  Maybe because you tell so many lies, you don't know if you're coming or going, do you?  Poor little guy.  3 posts and you can't keep your dates straight.

Yes, please, do tell how you don't want to trouble yourself with providing proof for your claims for a guaranteed $30,000 minirig hand delivered to your door in a limo (or USPS, whichever you prefer).  I'm sure everyone reading this thread believes you. Really.  I'm sure they do.  Right?  Right?

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March 06, 2013, 12:58:32 AM
#49
Hahaha OMG.  "Oh, think of the guy ahead of me!  That's why I'm turning down a minirig!"  Riiiighhhttt...

Go on, please tell us all how you are altruistic and wouldn't dream of taking a free minirig because someone else ordered it first?  Lets see more of that genuflection to your fellow miners.

What's the more likely scenario here:  A) You turn down a free minirig, delivered on the same day they are available because you don't want to skip a place in line or B) You are a liar and can't provide a shred of proof to back up your claims?

I think we all know what you are, heh.

Blah blah blah...I type because I like this keyboard. Smiley

YOU DON'T HAVE A MINIRIG SC JOSH...BECAUSE YOU INCOMPETENT BOZOS STILL DON'T HAVE CHIPS FIVE MONTHS AFTER YOU "SCHEDULED SHIPMENTS".

WHEN YOU DO HAVE ONE LET ME KNOW. WE'LL ESCROW IT AND I WOULD THEN BE HAPPY TO COMPILE YOUR SCAMMY LITTLE COMPANY'S ESCAPADES INTO A HANDY DANDY TRAVEL PACK. K SKIPPY?

Now then JZ, is ANYTHING I typed up there ^^ in any way ambiguous? Kiss

legendary
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March 06, 2013, 12:49:22 AM
#48
Hahaha OMG.  "Oh, think of the guy ahead of me!  That's why I'm turning down a minirig!"  Riiiighhhttt...

Go on, please tell us all how you are altruistic and wouldn't dream of taking a free minirig because someone else ordered it first?  Lets see more of that genuflection to your fellow miners.

What's the more likely scenario here:  A) You turn down a free minirig, delivered on the same day they are available because you don't want to skip a place in line or B) You are a liar and can't provide a shred of proof to back up your claims?

I think we all know what you are, heh.

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March 06, 2013, 12:40:45 AM
#47
Yep, just as I thought... a liar through and through.  Can't even back up your claims for a free minirig hand delivered to your door!  

At least everyone sees what a liar you are now... haha.  Right, like you'd turn down a free minirig because of "slime allergies!"  Fine, just to assuage your fears of allergies, I will have it sent to you via USPS.  If it contains any hazardous material, you can turn me in to the postal inspector.  

Creative-"I don't need evidence to form an opnion."-X, proved to be, once again, a liar.  Congrats!

Uhh...you have precisely the same number of ASIC minirigs as I do bud. If you did have an ASIC minirig don't you think you owe it to the guy that already paid for it...like last year? Ya know...when you told him you'd ship it to him? Roll Eyes

Stop peddling crap you don't have slim. Remember the FTC regulations I posted above that you chose to ignore? Yeah...thought not.

I know, I know...they don't apply to BFL BECAUSE BITCOIN. Deflect much?
legendary
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March 06, 2013, 12:32:47 AM
#46
Yep, just as I thought... a liar through and through.  Can't even back up your claims for a free minirig hand delivered to your door!  

At least everyone sees what a liar you are now... haha.  Right, like you'd turn down a free minirig because of "slime allergies!"  Fine, just to assuage your fears of allergies, I will have it sent to you via USPS.  If it contains any hazardous material, you can turn me in to the postal inspector.    Theymos has my permission to label me a scammer if I don't follow through with the minirig, provided you come through with the proof.  

Creative-"I don't need evidence to form an opnion."-X, proved to be, once again, a liar.  Congrats!

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March 06, 2013, 12:21:30 AM
#45
I love how you keep pushing the date back and back on when the ASICs were due to support your lies.  Now it's June, huh?  One more lie, one more lie you can't back up.  In fact, I tell you what CreativeX, I will give you the very first Minirig off the line if you can provide proof of your statements.  I will hand deliver it in a limo to you the same day they are available.

Yes, that's right.  You back up your claims with proof and I will hand deliver a fucking minirig to you in a limo!

Sure you will slick. Wink Give your $30,000 box of fans to the sucker that paid for it last June, I'm not interested in BFL vaporware particularly if you're going to hand deliver it. Slime allergies and all...you understand.

If and when you incompetent clowns and convicted felons do actually produce a product then set one aside IN ESCROW and I'll happily collect reams of information about your many deceptive marketing tactics and outright lies...heck I'll even toss in some bonus clock buffers, no charge.

I know I know...any day now! Just another couple weeks! We've scheduled shipments for every day in March just to be sure we're ready! Honest ABE! We'll descend upon Fedex like a swarm of angry locusts!
legendary
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March 05, 2013, 11:46:24 PM
#44
I love how you keep pushing the date back and back on when the ASICs were due to support your lies.  Now it's June, huh?  One more lie, one more lie you can't back up.  In fact, I tell you what CreativeX, I will give you the very first Minirig off the line if you can provide proof of your statements.  I will hand deliver it in a limo to you the same day they are available.

Yes, that's right.  You back up your claims with proof and I will hand deliver a minirig to you in a limo!  

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March 05, 2013, 10:40:39 PM
#43
Right on queue... fails to provide evidence for his claims.  Why?  Because CreativeX is a l-l-liar!

Everyone's a liar but you Josh, well you and that convicted thief you work with. Where are those ASICs you were paid to produce last June btw? Any progress on that front? Lemme guess...next month right?

No comment on the CS table that contradicts your own fairy tale shipping date lies? No comment on your scammy little company's FTC violations? Yeah I know...because ASICs is hard...boo. Wink

Not sure what's going on here, but Inaba (works for BFL?) just offered you the first miner off the line and you didn't send anything to satisfy that offer??? Are you nuts!?? Dude, I'll cut off my left testicle to get a miner right off the first line.

Inaba is BFL's COO, though he seems to enjoy pretending he's unaffiliated when he posts here. One of many childish games he plays.

His assurances that he'll ship anything on any given date are not the least bit credible. Just conduct a search and you'll find his promises of shipping blah blah on xx/xx/xxxx are only fairy tales designed to keep the pre-order funds rolling in.
legendary
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March 05, 2013, 10:16:00 PM
#42
Right on queue... fails to provide evidence for his claims.  Why?  Because CreativeX is a l-l-liar!

Everyone's a liar but you Josh, well you and that convicted thief you work with. Where are those ASICs you were paid to produce last June btw? Any progress on that front? Lemme guess...next month right?

No comment on the CS table that contradicts your own fairy tale shipping date lies? No comment on your scammy little company's FTC violations? Yeah I know...because ASICs is hard...boo. Wink

Not sure what's going on here, but Inaba (works for BFL?) just offered you the first miner off the line and you didn't send anything to satisfy that offer??? Are you nuts!?? Dude, I'll cut off my left testicle to get a miner right off the first line.

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March 04, 2013, 09:56:48 PM
#41
Right on queue... fails to provide evidence for his claims.  Why?  Because CreativeX is a l-l-liar!

Everyone's a liar but you Josh, well you and that convicted thief you work with. Where are those ASICs you were paid to produce last June btw? Any progress on that front? Lemme guess...next month right?

No comment on the CS table that contradicts your own fairy tale shipping date lies? No comment on your scammy little company's FTC violations? Yeah I know...because ASICs is hard...boo. Wink
legendary
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March 04, 2013, 09:45:19 PM
#40
Right on queue... fails to provide evidence for his claims.  Why?  Because CreativeX is a l-l-liar!

Tell you what CreativeX, you provide some proof about your claims above and I will send you the very first ASIC off the BFL line, overnight, the moment it's available.  Hell, I will even hand deliver it to your house if you want.




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March 04, 2013, 06:25:00 PM
#39
I don't know what the deal is with all that Creativex is saying here, but misleading people for an entire year and taking in large sums of money for it should be considered criminal, no? I'm not the one to judge or even say that is the case. I hope everything works out in the end, but from the looks of it and from the history there may not be an "end".

BFL is a US company and as such is subject to FTC regulations, which they are currently violating, but please don't take my word for it, read all about it here:

http://business.ftc.gov/documents/alt051-selling-internet-prompt-delivery-rules

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By law, you must have a reasonable basis for stating that a product can be shipped within a certain time. If your advertising doesn't clearly and prominently state the shipment period, you must have a reasonable basis for believing that you can ship within 30 days.

If you can't ship within the promised time (or within 30 days if you made no promise), you must notify the customer of the delay, provide a revised shipment date and explain his right to cancel and get a full and prompt refund.

For definite delays of up to 30 days, you may treat the customer's silence as agreeing to the delay. But for longer or indefinite delays - and second and subsequent delays - you must get the customer's written, electronic or verbal consent to the delay. If the customer doesn't give you his okay, you must promptly refund all the money the customer paid you without being asked by the customer.

Finally, you have the right to cancel orders that you can't fill in a timely manner, but you must promptly notify the customer of your decision and make a prompt refund.
legendary
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March 04, 2013, 06:12:55 PM
#38
So, are there no BFL products in the wild yet?

They have produced and delivered some FPGA units, people seemed quite happy with them. So yeah they have produced products.

But BFL ASICs, I dont think any in the wild.

Two problems with that thinking, though I thought along the same lines at one time. First, Thomas Van Riper also produced FPGAs and in fact is still selling them(BTCFPGA), yet he failed miserably at producing an ASIC product. Secondly and more  ominously, BFL had a stash of FPGA chips that they turned into FPGA products and when those ran out they stopped selling FPGAs. While this isn't in itself an indictment, the fact that they sanded the markings off the chips and didn't seek a new supply/continue selling is disturbing. To compound concerns they trashed the FPGA market when they ran out of chips to sell by announcing an ASIC product on a timeline they couldn't hope to meet.

For those of you playing at home and who aren't familiar with CreativeX, the above quoted post is a lie.  Go ahead and ask CreativeX to provide and evidence or proof for his statements. None will be forthcoming.  CreativeX is a known habitual liar, proven many times over.  The above post is yet another example of his inability to be truthful in his statements.  When confronted with his lies, he responds with ridiculous statements like "I don't need evidence to form an opinion." (This is an actual quote by CreativeX).  When backed into a corner, he will claim his lies, which is tries to pass of as facts, are just "opinions," but won't make that "fact" clear until it's pointed out, that's where the whole not needing evidence to form any sort of opinion comes from.  I mean, if you can just make stuff up like he does, why would you need evidence?

JZ, really man, stop trolling and produce a product. Preferably something besides a coffee mug, a t-shirt, or a box of fans. For those following along at home, BFL said:

Honest Abe we'll really ship ASIC mining gear in October 2012, but here it is March of 2013 and where are the products people paid for up to eight months ago? They also said they'd "scheduled shipments" in November, December, January, and February, yet no one has received what they've paid for, including those that paid eight months ago.

This chart sums up the problem with BFL perfectly:



This from BFL CS, but the unlabeled COO of BFL who masquerades here as an unaffiliated bystander said this on 2/19/13:

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The currently estimated shipping time frame if you were to order today is the end of April or Beginning of May. This is just an estimate, and until we know how many units we can produce per day and specifically when the bulk of our chips will be ready, we can't give a more accurate estimate.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1084-if-i-order-now-when-will-i-get-my-order.html

Why the discrepancy with such a tiny company? Why can't they all spit out the same estimates? Why are they endlessly wrong about shipping dates and why are there never any positive surprises? Is it even reasonable to expect honesty from a company founded by a convicted thief? Do yourself a favor and do not send them a penny or a satoshi until they prove they can deliver ASIC mining hardware. Their competition has delivered products already and they began work on their product months after BFL did.

I don't know what the deal is with all that Creativex is saying here, but misleading people for an entire year and taking in large sums of money for it should be considered criminal, no? I'm not the one to judge or even say that is the case. I hope everything works out in the end, but from the looks of it and from the history there may not be an "end".

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March 04, 2013, 06:04:59 PM
#37
How's that proof coming for your above statement, CreativeX?  Managed to find any yet?  No?  I wonder why not...  Couldn't be because you're a liar, could it?

Proof of what? Clock buffers? Proof of fraud from BFL officers? Proof of non-delivery? Where can I buy a new FPGA on BFL's website? Link? What products are available for shipment from BFL right now? How is your salary paid Mr. COO? Pre-order funds perhaps? I know, just one more question you'll ignore...don't hurt yourself buddy.Smiley You prove something for once pal. You're the one taking in millions in pre-order $$$ and delivering nothing but hot air.

We both know you were personally lying to potential customers last quarter when you were suggesting that BFL could still ship in November then December and anyone that doubts this can search the forums for themselves. You accuse everyone that's critical of BFL of being a liar, while merrily trolling every thread that goes against your scammy little company until mods come along and lock it. Trouble is, you incompetent clowns don't know what you're doing and your song and dance is wearing thin even for true believers. The network hashrate rising with ASICMiner and Avalon coming online isn't helping much is it? First to begin development and last to deliver...if you had an ounce of pride you'd be too embarrassed to show your mug around here.
legendary
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March 04, 2013, 03:43:13 PM
#36
How's that proof coming for your above statement, CreativeX?  Managed to find any yet?  No?  I wonder why not...  Couldn't be because you're a liar, could it?
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March 04, 2013, 08:15:55 AM
#35
So, are there no BFL products in the wild yet?

They have produced and delivered some FPGA units, people seemed quite happy with them. So yeah they have produced products.

But BFL ASICs, I dont think any in the wild.

Two problems with that thinking, though I thought along the same lines at one time. First, Thomas Van Riper also produced FPGAs and in fact is still selling them(BTCFPGA), yet he failed miserably at producing an ASIC product. Secondly and more  ominously, BFL had a stash of FPGA chips that they turned into FPGA products and when those ran out they stopped selling FPGAs. While this isn't in itself an indictment, the fact that they sanded the markings off the chips and didn't seek a new supply/continue selling is disturbing. To compound concerns they trashed the FPGA market when they ran out of chips to sell by announcing an ASIC product on a timeline they couldn't hope to meet.

For those of you playing at home and who aren't familiar with CreativeX, the above quoted post is a lie.  Go ahead and ask CreativeX to provide and evidence or proof for his statements. None will be forthcoming.  CreativeX is a known habitual liar, proven many times over.  The above post is yet another example of his inability to be truthful in his statements.  When confronted with his lies, he responds with ridiculous statements like "I don't need evidence to form an opinion." (This is an actual quote by CreativeX).  When backed into a corner, he will claim his lies, which is tries to pass of as facts, are just "opinions," but won't make that "fact" clear until it's pointed out, that's where the whole not needing evidence to form any sort of opinion comes from.  I mean, if you can just make stuff up like he does, why would you need evidence?

JZ, really man, stop trolling and produce a product. Preferably something besides a coffee mug, a t-shirt, or a box of fans. For those following along at home, BFL said:

Honest Abe we'll really ship ASIC mining gear in October 2012, but here it is March of 2013 and where are the products people paid for up to eight months ago? They also said they'd "scheduled shipments" in November, December, January, and February, yet no one has received what they've paid for, including those that paid eight months ago.

This chart sums up the problem with BFL perfectly:



This from BFL CS, but the unlabeled COO of BFL who masquerades here as an unaffiliated bystander said this on 2/19/13:

Quote
The currently estimated shipping time frame if you were to order today is the end of April or Beginning of May. This is just an estimate, and until we know how many units we can produce per day and specifically when the bulk of our chips will be ready, we can't give a more accurate estimate.

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/1084-if-i-order-now-when-will-i-get-my-order.html

Why the discrepancy with such a tiny company? Why can't they all spit out the same estimates? Why are they endlessly wrong about shipping dates and why are there never any positive surprises? Is it even reasonable to expect honesty from a company founded by a convicted thief? Do yourself a favor and do not send them a penny or a satoshi until they prove they can deliver ASIC mining hardware. Their competition has delivered products already and they began work on their product months after BFL did.
legendary
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March 04, 2013, 01:35:45 AM
#34
So, are there no BFL products in the wild yet?

They have produced and delivered some FPGA units, people seemed quite happy with them. So yeah they have produced products.

But BFL ASICs, I dont think any in the wild.

Two problems with that thinking, though I thought along the same lines at one time. First, Thomas Van Riper also produced FPGAs and in fact is still selling them(BTCFPGA), yet he failed miserably at producing an ASIC product. Secondly and more  ominously, BFL had a stash of FPGA chips that they turned into FPGA products and when those ran out they stopped selling FPGAs. While this isn't in itself an indictment, the fact that they sanded the markings off the chips and didn't seek a new supply/continue selling is disturbing. To compound concerns they trashed the FPGA market when they ran out of chips to sell by announcing an ASIC product on a timeline they couldn't hope to meet.

For those of you playing at home and who aren't familiar with CreativeX, the above quoted post is a lie.  Go ahead and ask CreativeX to provide and evidence or proof for his statements. None will be forthcoming.  CreativeX is a known habitual liar, proven many times over.  The above post is yet another example of his inability to be truthful in his statements.  When confronted with his lies, he responds with ridiculous statements like "I don't need evidence to form an opinion." (This is an actual quote by CreativeX).  When backed into a corner, he will claim his lies, which is tries to pass of as facts, are just "opinions," but won't make that "fact" clear until it's pointed out, that's where the whole not needing evidence to form any sort of opinion comes from.  I mean, if you can just make stuff up like he does, why would you need evidence?



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