Topic: Where to run a spam free bounty campaign? [new board?] (Read 445 times)

The bounty section could have an auction. The process could be similar to that of announcing in the forum. Every week, the first 3 pages would be auctioned. And the posts would get a pin, in the order of the auctions. This way, only projects that spend some value would fill the front pages in an organized way. No need for these bump services.

As it would be an auction, probably with small values it would be possible to announce. And only projects that are total scams would be left out.

As far as I know, on-forum altcoin giveaways were banned because of the massive spam it caused.

That would work, but as a campaign manager that's not where I want to advertise the campaign.

I've suggested before to stop bumping the thread after a low-ranking account made a post, but it didn't get implemented.

That won't help, as long as the spam from other campaigns continues.

Same as above: as long as it's not enforced, it doesn't solve the spam problem.

I don't think it's going to work. At the moment those boards are filled with accounts that never earned any Merit at all, so paying just one person (who earned Merit in the past 2 days) to post there would be enough to cheat the system.

If that list would be a sticky thread, that could be a great solution!

There's this:

And this:

Although some threads have existed for a very long time, I've also seen people get banned for running an on-forum altcoin giveaway.

This might be the "loophole" I was looking for: if I post in Games and Rounds, but collect entries through Google Forms (so that nobody is required to post in the thread), it might not count as an "on-forum" giveaway. I'd like to hear a Mod's opinion before creating such a thread.

Earlier, I sent this PM to hilariousandco:
Unfortunately, that doesn't fit the current budget.

Thanks for all suggestions!

I dunno about a separate board Loyce but I will suggest you run an ad on bitcointalk. Your thread might get buried but the ad will continue to provide the exposure needed. At least you won't be paying spammers this way. Also, I like what @DdmrDdmr suggested. A sorting based on Merit earned by members sounds good.

Not sure where you get the idea that such a thing wouldn't be allowed in Games and Rounds. Just have a look at the board, you'll see that the threads are divided into Bitcoin based(obviously) , Dogecoin/altcoin based that mods haven't bothered moving to the correct section, and lastly the large portion being really random stuff(services, "Interest check", questions about giveaways which technically shouldn't be made into a diff. thread etc)  that mods wouldn't dare start touching with a 10 feet pole.

As long as you specify that the game will in the end be paying in BTC it should be fine anyways. And as for the part about creating a separate board, there hasn't been a need for it.

As for keeping it 'relevant' and spam-free, make it self-moderated and bump it everyday. If people want to play they'll join even with any harsh rules

Maybe requiring users to solve captcha on bounty thread will help those bots participate like real human. Bounty threads are horrible, you post something to inquire about the rules but it gets burred with reports after few minutes, I don't think the bounty manager can reply to those inquiries so its useless to ask there. You would have to go to the telegram group to get answers. Those tweet reports don't help the forum spark conversation and make people learn.

It's better to have  a list with all the spam-free bounties running ATM, I've seen a few before.
But separate section I don't really thing it's gonna happen any time soon.

The Altcoin Bounty section is getting around 17 pages of campaigns updated per day, That is around 680 campaigns on a daily basis that are updated on the thread by means of a last post. The section has 246 pages (some 9.840 campaign entries), being the last listed campaign dates back from 16 months ago.The sheer volume of daily updates make it impossible for a spam-free campaign to be noticed there at all.

I was thinking it over and was wondering if a hybrid criteria could be used as a default sort order. Without going into all the details now, a default sort order could be accommodated to make compatible the co-existence of two types of criteria:
-   last post (current criteria)
-   Total number of merits earned within a specific time period by campaign signatories (i.e. 48 hours).

The idea would be that each page of the section would hold a percentage of posts according to each of the above criteria. For example, the default sort order could still be Last Post (descending), but let’s say 25% of each page was "reserved" for those campaigns whose signatories had obtained most merits while being on the campaign is a certain timeframe.
The result would be that each page would contain 15 campaigns using the Last Post criteria + five more from the sum of obtained merits in 48 hours criteria. Each page would obtain the next batch of 15+5 posts by descending order of each concept.

The above is obviously more complex to implement, but would break the monopoly of last post in favour of campaigns whose members are being merited while bearing the signature.
The values could be parametrized and evolve over time (percentage reserved for merit criteria, time considered), and be complicated further (i.e. take into account currently total earned merit by signatures, with an aging decreasing algorithm).

I’m not sure if it would address your problem specifically though, since in addition to spam-free criteria, ideally the signatories would be people who earned merits in aggregate with some regularity.

Could this be the answer?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/using-signed-message-as-proof-of-authentication-participation-5049737

Exactly and already OP mentioned about that.

It will not work actually since OP has to spend a huge time to delete the bumping which about he is talking about.

In fact, bounty managers are at least 60% responsible for the worst situation of a bounty thread.


@LoyceV
There is no other possible way without creating a new board, imo too as other people already mentioned.

Create a new board isn't going to solve spam problem if there is no strict guidelines or rules for bounty managers. Still you could run spam free campaign if thread is self moderate. If implement guidelines or rules than current ( Altcoins Bounties ) board is enough to run spam free campaign. I have created a thread about possible guidelines, and I think at least should be implement some of them. Really should not give freedom to bounty managers. If no rules for them than spam will never end.   

If there is any section of the forum that fills up real fast, that section is the number one in the pack. Its so fast that a thread of now when refreshed in the next five minutes might get you in page 2 and there is nothing that can be done about it because I am not sure the forum moderators would want to compromise because you are the one managing it.

My suggestion, your thread will have to be created there and hope that the advertisement will be seen across the forum by the activities of the participants and not the thread itself. Moreover, since your campaign is a quality loaded one, it would compensate for the view which would be lost via that section of the forum.

I suggested..https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46170868
It would be nice to establish rules for bounty managers regarding: joining, proof of participation, proof of authentication..
But this solution is for real participants, but not for spambots. Here we need another protection. Managers can not be responsible for the actions of spam bots, because it can only be an attempt to compromise the campaign from the side.

Perhaps everything goes to the fact that access to posting on this board will be allowed only for users with at least 1 merit.. I dont see any other way. Word filters like "Join", "Great project",etc/ - don't stop bots.

Bounties altcoins is the correct board.

The high number of threads in that board does mean that it is difficult to have people find your thread only by visiting that board. You may want to otherwise promote the threads you are running either on a thread with a list of campaigns you are running that is independently promoted (perhaps via advertising) or via a website that is promoted.

I think it would be a good idea to somehow index threads on that board and make it so you cannot get your thread to the top by someone posting.

I am posting a long time ago about this problem, but no one was interested in bothering about bounty programs and hunters.
as it is forbidden to post "join" in airdrop topics it easy can be forbidden to post Twitter, Facebook etc ... link reports. Only a few managers posting google form to submit link reports and that can be a solution for this spam.
Link reporting is now automated and there are scripts that do this. For example, MOONX bounty managed by Yahoo is finished, manager post google form to submit links but "people" still spamming with his links. it's even KYC needed.
They find this bounty on other bounty-listing website and do other work automatically. Plus I am not sure are these managers checking links at all?

The problem seems to be caused by the constant bumping of threads by spammers.

Would a board that only allowed closed threads to be posted solve the problem? The post could contain a link to an active thread on the spammers' board, and, because of the link, it wouldn't really matter if it dropped to page 5.

The other alternative would be to use a line in your signature to provide that link.

No. Since, you will not ask people to bump submit reports on the thread, there will be almost zero profit for the advertiser. S/he will not get enough exposure but, of course, you should ensure the maximum result which will not be possible without allowing spamming in altcoin bounties.

I think we should have Games and rounds for altcoins marketplace too like as Games and rounds in BTC marketplace.

I've been asked to manage a campaign to promote a game (website). It will start with sharing posts on Facebook, which will earn the participants Tokens. Those Tokens can be used to play the game, which will then pay in Bitcoins.

Since it doesn't pay in Bitcoin directly, it won't be allowed in Services or Games and Rounds.

I think Bounties (Altcoins) would be the right place, but threads are only on the first page for 4 minutes. In just an hour, the thread would be buried 7 pages deep. On that board, I'd be competing against spam threads with hundreds of pages filled with Facebook and Twitter links, and thousands of bump bots spamming  "proof of join" and "good project".

I've mentioned this problem before, but I'm now actually at the point where it's going to be my problem: a spam free campaign can't survive, as nobody will see the thread. Spam works, and spam pays!
Is there any board I can use to run a self-moderated campaign with zero tolerance for spam, with all applications handled through Google Forms, and barely any posts in the thread itself?
And if there isn't such a board, should a board with very strict rules for campaign managers and participants be created?