Topic: Proposed guidelines for bounty managers. @theymos pls take a look and help us. (Read 993 times)

Managers are not bothered at all because they are using stake based system, so it doesn't not affect them how many people are doing the bounty. If more user ( or cheaters) everybody will get less payment. Managers and ICO are not affected at all.
If remove the staked the I guess manager might get serious for checking posts and quality or interested in catching cheaters.

stupid attempt at tyranny

 unfortunately , it seems like everybody is upset about these bounty campaigns except the managers themselves, seems like everything is working well for them, and most of them don't seem to be bothered,even about the "cheaters".

the pay out for most of these campaigns is either very low , or a lot of "nothing", therefore who ever funds the campaign can't be bothered about what is really going on, i even doubt they follow what those participants actually post , despite the rules of  " posts must be constructive" that seems to be common standard that they never actually breach( except for a few managers).

i think this thing will have to sort out itself, they will get to a point where they need to start enforcing those rules, the forum can't moderate their business for them, we are just the victims of their shitposts, i think we stick "report to moderators" until something major happens in the whole crypto market which will change the whole nature of these bounty shit.

This unfortunately common opinion is not true.
I agree on bounty reports, they shouldn't be posted here. Proofs of participation should be posted in bounty thread to make sure no one is cheating.
Bounty manager is not responsible for token distribution.
Most(all?) bounties have 10-15 posts rule.
Agreed.
If I am not wrong, this is violation of "no altcoin forum giveaway" rule and if you report such thread(s) they will be locked/trashed.
I agree.
That is only their decision. Scam is not moderated.
That is actually tricky one. Competition can easily exploit this "rule" to trash various topics.
Good solution for this problem might be to not allow certain ranks to bump threads. For example, only members and above can bump thread and newbies/junior members are allowed to post but thread won't be bumped when they post.
This has nothing to do with this forum. It is deal between bounty hunters and the company. If it is not stated in rules, you are not obligated to provide your information. Company is not allowed to change rules after job is done(change rewards, ask for KYC)[1].
Well, it is against forum rules anyway...
Bounty manager is not responsible for distribution of rewards(again  ), but if they keep managing bounties for scams they can't hide behind disclaimers.
This is also against forum rules.
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Ponzi is scam from day one. It doesn't "eventually" turn to scam.
To be honest, sometimes it is very well hidden and you will have very hard time to prove it is ponzi. Then what? Would you blame admin for not removing it?

I like those guidelines except for the self-moderated thing, for the same reasons you mentioned.
Other than that, I don't know if this could be implemented but it would définitely be good for the forum.

This one is easy to implement and would prevent "reports" being used to pump the threads and having users whose posting list is 100's of twitter reports.


I disagree. The Bounty Manager does a job for a company. Most of the times they don't have a say on the bounty payments and many times they are affected by those late payments.


I would even go further: no more than 15 post a week. Any thread asking or incentivizing more than 15 posts a week should be deleted.


I would go further: There should be no merit in the ANN / Bounty sections.


On the contrary, I would not allow any member that is not at least Full Member to launch an ANN. A member or Copper Member have nothing at stake, so they can try to break the rules or scam and the worst thing for them is losing a non-valuable user.

People seem to think that this forum is a free-for-all and anything goes and because it's a forum about bitcoin that means there's no rules because of decentralisation. Bitcoin has rules. So does this forum. We don't have to have a list of thousands of them written like a legal document but we need at least some to keep some basic order and functionality, but this forum is a pretty good example of what happens when you don't have many rules or enforce the ones you do have as people are quick to exploit that when they realise they can get away with certain things.

I agree with with you. I have shared just idea. It's really not rules, but admin could chose some of them that I suggested. Or admin should make few rules or guideline himself. Something is better than nothing. This forum almost working fine because there is few rules. Even a country or a company can't run without rules. I believe there should be few rules also for bounty managers. Don't leave them free.

They're guidelines, not strict you will die if you don't follow these authoritarian laws.

The clue is in the title:


How is a 'guide' IE something we suggest you do regulation? It's just a way to try bring some order to the chaos here. Besides, this is a bitcoin forum not a libertarian one. There are also rules here, but it's because we've been so lax about what people can get away with here that the forum is such a shitshow. Without some basic rules it just become pure anarchy and the greedy shit all over the place and ruin it for everyone else. That's why we need some rule of law, but that doesn't mean you have to rule with an iron fist. I'd say expecting some sort of minimum standards here is in everyone's interest, especially when the forum has become largely unfit for it's true purpose.

We have a child board in Marketplace called "Services"  which is where any bounty, campaign or service paying in Bitcoins is posted. Those bounties pay in ERC-20 tokens because they are all Alternative Coins, and they have been given a completely different section for their services and stuff. So, this forum, being a Bitcoin forum, also has a place for other alternative coins out there, so it is not possible to not allow someone to pay his workers with any other cryptocurrency than Bitcoin, unless you are proposing to remove the complete Altcoin section from the forum which is also not possible.

The root causes of these trash and spam posting is the bounty manager who ask their bounty Hunter to post 20- 30 post per week.there should be stricter measures  for signatures compaign.i will suggest five post per week nothing more than that.any bounty manager that violet theses rule his or her trend should be deleted.these will control the activities of the forum.we need sanity here mate.

"Guidelines" sounds like regulation. Regulation on a libertarian forum probably isn't going to go over so well.

I have mentioned about ponzi scheme.

All lending platform are consider as a ponzi scheme. All ponzi scheme has became scam eventually.

Lending coins project should not be allowed to advise their bounty campaign here. I have not seen any lending coin that has lasted for more than a year. They are all scam.

The ones in bold, I said that. But the messages below it, you're quoting the wrong person buddy  
Back to the topic, The current rule states that bumping on one's thread is allowed provided that it's the OP that bumps it and it is done only once every 24 hrs. If anyone is found breaking such rules, why not just report them?

I will disagree with your point. I am aware about the campaign rewards being paid in Btc and it is being run by Zapo as I was a part of similar campaign run by them. Participants are mere advertisers and promoters/ marketers of the product. There might be a newbie investor who view this signature and might invest in the project with little read through of the white paper. I have seen some DT negging some bounty hunters who promote the scam even after the projects were exposed. Both Participants and managers who promote the project should be aware of the project they are endorsing so that it doesn't misguide any newbie investor who enter this field.

I agree with this solely. FYI Dick bigs a Ponzi is something where the people/group of people urge others to invest in their companies or so called great returns schemes. Also a ponzi scheme owner promises gains if the people invest in their company. Did satoshi ever say anyone to invest in bitcoin? Was it even worth enough to buy few thousands of btc for a $ in late 2009? If you/anyone who say btc is a ponzi it clearly states that you doesn't even understand what a ponzi is! You are not urged by anyone to invest in btc nor satoshi didn't run away with the money as commonly ICO owners does!

So bumping thread should allow? I don't think it will happen very much. Everyone's busy with their own projects. I accept it might be hapoen 0.1% , it doesn't mean we should allow bumping ANN thread. On the other hand accoumt also will permaban those are related with bumping service.


Budget details should publish from beginning. Should not change after end of ICO.

That's why need guidelines or rules.


Clients are not allowed to decide about forum rules. Only admin can. I told you, that's why need guidelines from admin.

Great effort, but there are some things that you don't understand about a free market. Let me point some out.

There is supply, and there is demand, that being said, you are not allowed to require anything about how payments should be made. There is the decision of the business how it desires to pay customers...btc or own tokens.

Everyone has a different method to run his campaign. There is no one's business to intervene.


The number of posts are usually required by the business. Can you force a bounty manager not to take a job because his client wants 25 posts per week?


I agree, but you can't force them.


I am pretty sure it is not allowed to incentivise people to bump up threads. In any case, i don't see how thrashing the post would help with that...a red trust should be enough.


Actually, the best way to identify scammers is to leave the thread open and then just ban those who continue posting after 3-4 weeks have passed since the end of a campaign.

Hard to say here, they could do it so they won't recieve retaliation trust from the scammers in the bounty.


I still haven't found a reason why disclaimers help in any way...
Tokens are usually paid by the team, why would the bounty manager be responsible if the team doesen't deliver?
The team could decide to alocate bounty tokens proportionally with the ammount sold. Some of them market a big bounty budget to attract more people (if hardcap is reached)...you know, that's how marketing works


Bounty budget and the number of participants are negociated and agreed by the team and the bounty manager. Nobody's business, except them, how many participants should be allowed to participate.


I am pretty sure this is kinda obvious. They should not be allowed to be promoted anywhere on the forum.

In the end, before making rules or something like that, try to understand the dynamic of the the agreement between the bounty manager and the business.[/list]

These can be easily fixed by forcing bounty campaigns to always have an official escrow for the bounty pool. Having an escrow to hold the bounty pool means that the project team can no longer change the allocated bounty pool and the date of bounty distribution. Of course, escrow must be highly trusted within this community to avoid him/her running off with the bounty funds.  


This could potentially be abused by the project's competitors. Create a bunch of alts and spam post your competitor's ANN thread to get it trashed.  

Yes, it's little bit complicated. But at least need few guidelines or rules from admin to reduce spam and scam.

I am fully aware about that. For your information this campaign reward is by btc and this is spam free campaign as well there is merit required. You are ignoring my point, award should be by bitcoin. So participant no need to worry about exit scam except investors.

How you consider bitcoin is a ponzi scheme, there are no promising return. How new investors are lost money ? Someones scam them ? There is any promising high return on bitcoin whitepaper ?

This is not going to happen if there is no any guidelines or rules from forum.