Simple, anonymity in Monero the most fungible and untraceable crypto coin in existence is achieved with with 4 things:
1. Ring signatures, that hide the output being used by hiding it among several others that also appear to be used. NOTE: this is very different than mixing.
2. Stealth addresses, that removes the association between outputs and addresses.
3. RingCT, that is basically a confidential transactions that works with a ring signatures. (Updated with Bulletproofs in 2018)
4. Kovri, that hides the IP for the transaction broadcast. This data is never stored on-chain, but it can help protect users from malicious nodes. ( Updated in 2018)
But even with all that Monero is still work in progress and research and adds new innovations to always stray ahead of blockchain analysis.
To add some to how much development there is in Monero and how many people work on Monero check out this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K33PoKM7vOM
Topic: Which coins are really privacy and anonymous? - page 2. (Read 1054 times)
The public rich list and the fact that 99% of coins are held by the top 1000 (which is insane even by other crypto standards) are the reasons I sold my 1k xSpec when it dipped under 5 usd (to 4.5). Won't be buying back in either unless some serious redistribution occurs.
Here's a look:
BitCloud
Code:
Top 1000 17,793,525 BTDX 99.97 %
XSPEC BELONGS HERE
BitSend
Code:
Top 1000 17,694,339 BSD 98.68 %
VeriCoin
Code:
Top 1000 30,210,364 VRC 98.25 %
Diamond
Code:
Top 1000 2,553,961 DMD 97.71 %
ColossusCoinXT
Code:
Top 1000 10,274,349,647 COLX 95.46 %
Groestlcoin
Code:
Top 1000 65,925,525 GRS 95.17 %
Particl
Code:
Top 1000 6,307,307 PART 94.52 %
BlackCoin
Code:
Top 1000 68,873,192 BLK 89.89 %
Stratis
Code:
Top 1000 87,350,923 STRAT 88.49 %
DigiByte
Code:
Top 1000 8,036,828,910 DGB 82.58 %
PURA
Code:
Top 1000 144,559,209 PURA 80.62 %
Litecoin - First edition = October 12, 2011 (The project is more than 6 years old !!!)
Code:
Top 1000 36,097,870 LTC 65.79 %
In general, it is necessary to understand that PoW projects - miners create new wallets during extraction.
PoS projects - store all your money in one purse to get more booty !!
Therefore, all POS-projects have a small number of wallets.
Are you really trying to compare XSPEC bag holders to those coins? The coins that have over 70% are SCAMS, it only takes a few seconds to research those other coins. If you're trying to group those coins in with XSPEC, you're a scammer.
It's #2 on that list, any person can see that what's below are also scam coins that only benefit a few. I can't believe 99% are held by the top 1000. That is fucking incredible and a huge verification that XSPEC = SCAM
vovannovig2 and I read through your history. You are shilling this shitcoin (SCAM) in multiple foreign languages. All you do is shill this scam coin, and the only people that are actually shilling it, again, are people with the post history that contain broken English and only post about it.
This is not private, the stupidity and the misrepresentation and to call it a "privacy" coin is a lie. The rich list shows that the top 1000 people own 99% of the coins. How fucking absurd is that? It's a blatant scam and a cash-grab by the devs to scam people. The fact that it even has a rich list basically proves that it's not a private coin.
XSPEC = SCAM
This is not private, the stupidity and the misrepresentation and to call it a "privacy" coin is a lie. The rich list shows that the top 1000 people own 99% of the coins. How fucking absurd is that? It's a blatant scam and a cash-grab by the devs to scam people. The fact that it even has a rich list basically proves that it's not a private coin.
XSPEC = SCAM
Spectrecoin (XSPEC) really best privacy coin they give you full anonymous
Guys, please, write about other privacy and anonymous coins.
Show your addresses and tell us more about technologies of your favorite coins.
Show your addresses and tell us more about technologies of your favorite coins.
The public rich list and the fact that 99% of coins are held by the top 1000 (which is insane even by other crypto standards) are the reasons I sold my 1k xSpec when it dipped under 5 usd (to 4.5). Won't be buying back in either unless some serious redistribution occurs.
Here's a look:
BitCloud
Code:
Top 1000 17,793,525 BTDX 99.97 %
BitSend
Code:
Top 1000 17,694,339 BSD 98.68 %
VeriCoin
Code:
Top 1000 30,210,364 VRC 98.25 %
Diamond
Code:
Top 1000 2,553,961 DMD 97.71 %
ColossusCoinXT
Code:
Top 1000 10,274,349,647 COLX 95.46 %
Groestlcoin
Code:
Top 1000 65,925,525 GRS 95.17 %
Particl
Code:
Top 1000 6,307,307 PART 94.52 %
BlackCoin
Code:
Top 1000 68,873,192 BLK 89.89 %
Stratis
Code:
Top 1000 87,350,923 STRAT 88.49 %
DigiByte
Code:
Top 1000 8,036,828,910 DGB 82.58 %
PURA
Code:
Top 1000 144,559,209 PURA 80.62 %
Litecoin - First edition = October 12, 2011 (The project is more than 6 years old !!!)
Code:
Top 1000 36,097,870 LTC 65.79 %
In general, it is necessary to understand that PoW projects - miners create new wallets during extraction.
PoS projects - store all your money in one purse to get more booty !!
Therefore, all POS-projects have a small number of wallets.
Now XSPEC is the most attractive investment.
What are you talking about?
The author wrote the truth and it is easy to verify.
The fact that he writes KimJungUn, of course, is a lie. Everyone understands this.
The author wrote the truth and it is easy to verify.
The fact that he writes KimJungUn, of course, is a lie. Everyone understands this.
Firstly, I don't trust "hsto.org" A quick google search shows that it's a shady Russian website.
Secondly. The address you provided again, doesn't show the address is actaully to be a verified one. I honestly feel bad for you if you are on the spectrum. Assuming and knowing you are, you didn't answer any of my concerns that the address you provided actually has any coins in it or if it is actually a legit address
Thirdly, having optional stealth address doesn't make the coin private. Privacy by default is the key feature here. I can see wallets, I mean lets be honest if you're going to scam people at least block the wallets eh?
The top address (looking at the rich list, and largest wallets) 99% of the coins are held by 1000 people. If that doesn't concern you, you are only spreading this scam.
XSPEC IS A SCAM = NOT PRIVATE
Don't keep misrepresenting and telling people that it's private. You're scamming people for your "get rich quick" scheme.
Secondly. The address you provided again, doesn't show the address is actaully to be a verified one. I honestly feel bad for you if you are on the spectrum. Assuming and knowing you are, you didn't answer any of my concerns that the address you provided actually has any coins in it or if it is actually a legit address
Thirdly, having optional stealth address doesn't make the coin private. Privacy by default is the key feature here. I can see wallets, I mean lets be honest if you're going to scam people at least block the wallets eh?
The top address (looking at the rich list, and largest wallets) 99% of the coins are held by 1000 people. If that doesn't concern you, you are only spreading this scam.
XSPEC IS A SCAM = NOT PRIVATE
Don't keep misrepresenting and telling people that it's private. You're scamming people for your "get rich quick" scheme.
The public rich list and the fact that 99% of coins are held by the top 1000 (which is insane even by other crypto standards) are the reasons I sold my 1k xSpec when it dipped under 5 usd (to 4.5). Won't be buying back in either unless some serious redistribution occurs.
I think anonymous is already enough for a coin, it's hard for a coin to be privacy when it was made with blockchain system. Everything shows up (except private key) is how the blockchain works.
GUYS, DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS THREAD.
He is only being paid in order to shill that shit of SPECTRECOIN.
the only replies that it got are about features of this coin that is being shilled in the entire forum. be careful.
He is only being paid in order to shill that shit of SPECTRECOIN.
the only replies that it got are about features of this coin that is being shilled in the entire forum. be careful.
Tell us about your privacy and anonymous coin:
1. Write your stealth-address of the coin you want to talk about (from the wallet, but not from the block-explorer) and ask us to say how much money there is.
2. Write what are the approaches of privacy used in your coins to hide TX sender and receiver: Zero-knowledge proof, Mixing, Ring-signatures, Stealth-addresses, ...
3. Write what are the approaches of anonymity used in your coins to hide users IP: Tor, I2P, OBFS4, ...
4. Using http://matchcoins.info - write what price and ROI (at how many times will the price rise) is expected from your coin if it had a market capitalization as Monero or Verge.
5. Do not use richlist to compare privacy. For example, in the real privacy coin Monero is public blockchain:
https://moneroexplorer.com/tx/84ea5936b2864709fe21ece3be8cb683d356f1f83cb5851ecbd4ee104012c583
Why is this happening: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/70v9d7/if_monero_is_private_then_what_is_this_someone/
Bitcoin
You will write your Bitcoin-address here and I will tell you how much money is on it, because Bitcoin is not a privacy. It never hide the IP addresses of their nodes - Bitcoin is not a anonymous: https://bitnodes.earn.com/nodes/
Verge
Verge is allegedly privacy and anonymous coin - IP addresses, Verge-addresses, amounts - not privacy and not anonymous:
http://xvg.keff.org/electrum.php
http://xvg.keff.org/core.php
http://xvg.keff.org/
Monero
Have a public blockchain: https://moneroexplorer.com/tx/84ea5936b2864709fe21ece3be8cb683d356f1f83cb5851ecbd4ee104012c583
Here is the Monero address: 4AYhVqhdEdkNSXT8UFjzAALAg4NMYURUjWdiNZCEzBTbWwkNXo1BTRCZzTcjYYDpdivhSUwG3kPV8hb T7vEzBgKRg4UW2b8z
How much money is there? Can not answer - means Monero is privacy (due stealth addresses).
Also Monero uses Ring-signatures to hide TX-sender - it makes transactions untraceable.
Run the script: https://github.com/DotNetRussell/MoneroUserScraper to obtain the IP addresses "213.114.82.127", "82.161.134.181", "73.150.225.122", ... the Monero wallets and nodes. Those that are constantly located are servers/pools/miners, which occasionally are wallets: https://dotnetrussell.com/index.php/2017/10/21/locating-monero-users-via-transaction-broadcasts/
Found the IP-addresses of members of the network Monero - is not anonymous.
Spectrecoin
Here is my Spectrecoin (XSPEC) Stealth-Address: smYoRN5Kna3jo3eeAnrqoDECzG59WDajtsNZHMGZEaA9sxEYwtQDZUnGBCKM5BmXBVU4K6vKH7b6s4X oNiV7yJB8vDkhzq6HjsfMbp
How much money is there? Can not answer - means that Spectrecion is privacy (due stealth addresses).
What IPs are used by people who use this coin? Can not answer - means that Spectrecion is anonymous (due Tor+OBFS4).
Spectrecoin uses Ring-signatures to hide TX-sender in the same way as Monero - it makes transactions untraceable.
What price and ROI (at how many times will the price rise) is expected if it had a market capitalization as Monero or Verge.
Monero - XSPEC = http://matchcoins.info/?c1=monero&c2=spectrecoin
Other coins: https://hsto.org/webt/ff/fd/c5/fffdc5rsimcwozv65u9v21wwhyo.png
KimJungUn - I looked through the history of your messages. You write all about XSPEC and are always negative, I think that you want to buy a lot of coins at a low price - this is the reason for the flood that you are doing. But without realizing it, you are advertising the project, because everyone understands that the project is anonymous and dynamically developing, and all your claims are an insignificant attempt to manipulate the market. I want to wish you to become an honest person, all the best to you!1. Write your stealth-address of the coin you want to talk about (from the wallet, but not from the block-explorer) and ask us to say how much money there is.
2. Write what are the approaches of privacy used in your coins to hide TX sender and receiver: Zero-knowledge proof, Mixing, Ring-signatures, Stealth-addresses, ...
3. Write what are the approaches of anonymity used in your coins to hide users IP: Tor, I2P, OBFS4, ...
4. Using http://matchcoins.info - write what price and ROI (at how many times will the price rise) is expected from your coin if it had a market capitalization as Monero or Verge.
5. Do not use richlist to compare privacy. For example, in the real privacy coin Monero is public blockchain:
https://moneroexplorer.com/tx/84ea5936b2864709fe21ece3be8cb683d356f1f83cb5851ecbd4ee104012c583
Quote
stealth address: b5ada231ffb6e1a83430e038847e91e6d734d6bc58287b4e693f12823732f947
amount: 5.532506139280 XMR
and if you create a richlist by ordering these addresses by the amounts - it's useless list, because richlist doesn't mean anything at all - addresses in the blockexplorer do not match the stealth-addresses in the wallets - therefore it is impossible to find Monero address from wallet in the block-explorer, you can't find in the blockexplorer this Monero address from the wallet: 4AYhVqhdEdkNSXT8UFjzAALAg4NMYURUjWdiNZCEzBTbWwkNXo1BTRCZzTcjYYDpdivhSUwG3kPV8hb T7vEzBgKRg4UW2b8zamount: 5.532506139280 XMR
Why is this happening: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/70v9d7/if_monero_is_private_then_what_is_this_someone/
Bitcoin
You will write your Bitcoin-address here and I will tell you how much money is on it, because Bitcoin is not a privacy. It never hide the IP addresses of their nodes - Bitcoin is not a anonymous: https://bitnodes.earn.com/nodes/
Verge
Verge is allegedly privacy and anonymous coin - IP addresses, Verge-addresses, amounts - not privacy and not anonymous:
http://xvg.keff.org/electrum.php
http://xvg.keff.org/core.php
http://xvg.keff.org/
Monero
Have a public blockchain: https://moneroexplorer.com/tx/84ea5936b2864709fe21ece3be8cb683d356f1f83cb5851ecbd4ee104012c583
Quote
stealth address: b5ada231ffb6e1a83430e038847e91e6d734d6bc58287b4e693f12823732f947
amount: 5.532506139280 XMR
To ensure that uneducated people are not called Monero "isn't privacy coin", its authors have removed a richlist that can exist (these addresses ordered by amounts), because this richlist does not mean anything at all.amount: 5.532506139280 XMR
Here is the Monero address: 4AYhVqhdEdkNSXT8UFjzAALAg4NMYURUjWdiNZCEzBTbWwkNXo1BTRCZzTcjYYDpdivhSUwG3kPV8hb T7vEzBgKRg4UW2b8z
How much money is there? Can not answer - means Monero is privacy (due stealth addresses).
Also Monero uses Ring-signatures to hide TX-sender - it makes transactions untraceable.
Run the script: https://github.com/DotNetRussell/MoneroUserScraper to obtain the IP addresses "213.114.82.127", "82.161.134.181", "73.150.225.122", ... the Monero wallets and nodes. Those that are constantly located are servers/pools/miners, which occasionally are wallets: https://dotnetrussell.com/index.php/2017/10/21/locating-monero-users-via-transaction-broadcasts/
Found the IP-addresses of members of the network Monero - is not anonymous.
Spectrecoin
Here is my Spectrecoin (XSPEC) Stealth-Address: smYoRN5Kna3jo3eeAnrqoDECzG59WDajtsNZHMGZEaA9sxEYwtQDZUnGBCKM5BmXBVU4K6vKH7b6s4X oNiV7yJB8vDkhzq6HjsfMbp
How much money is there? Can not answer - means that Spectrecion is privacy (due stealth addresses).
What IPs are used by people who use this coin? Can not answer - means that Spectrecion is anonymous (due Tor+OBFS4).
Spectrecoin uses Ring-signatures to hide TX-sender in the same way as Monero - it makes transactions untraceable.
What price and ROI (at how many times will the price rise) is expected if it had a market capitalization as Monero or Verge.
Monero - XSPEC = http://matchcoins.info/?c1=monero&c2=spectrecoin
Quote
Price of XSPEC, when XSPEC market cap reaches XMR market cap
(XMR Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 257.60 (83.91x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0216251 BTC
Verge - XSPEC = http://matchcoins.info/?c1=verge&c2=spectrecoin(XMR Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 257.60 (83.91x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0216251 BTC
Quote
Price of XSPEC, when XSPEC market cap reaches XVG market cap
(XVG Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 86.74 (28.25x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0072817 BTC
(XVG Market Cap / XSPEC Market Cap * XSPEC price)
XSPEC = $ 86.74 (28.25x of actual XSPEC price)
0.0072817 BTC
Other coins: https://hsto.org/webt/ff/fd/c5/fffdc5rsimcwozv65u9v21wwhyo.png
Thank you for your analysis.
Indeed the XSPEC looks like the most good investment project existing today.
Firstly, I don't trust "hsto.org" A quick google search shows that it's a shady Russian website.
Secondly. The address you provided again, doesn't show the address is actaully to be a verified one. I honestly feel bad for you if you are on the spectrum. Assuming and knowing you are, you didn't answer any of my concerns that the address you provided actually has any coins in it or if it is actually a legit address
Thirdly, having optional stealth address doesn't make the coin private. Privacy by default is the key feature here. I can see wallets, I mean lets be honest if you're going to scam people at least block the wallets eh?
The top address (looking at the rich list, and largest wallets) 99% of the coins are held by 1000 people. If that doesn't concern you, you are only spreading this scam.
XSPEC IS A SCAM = NOT PRIVATE
Don't keep misrepresenting and telling people that it's private. You're scamming people for your "get rich quick" scheme.
Secondly. The address you provided again, doesn't show the address is actaully to be a verified one. I honestly feel bad for you if you are on the spectrum. Assuming and knowing you are, you didn't answer any of my concerns that the address you provided actually has any coins in it or if it is actually a legit address
Thirdly, having optional stealth address doesn't make the coin private. Privacy by default is the key feature here. I can see wallets, I mean lets be honest if you're going to scam people at least block the wallets eh?
The top address (looking at the rich list, and largest wallets) 99% of the coins are held by 1000 people. If that doesn't concern you, you are only spreading this scam.
XSPEC IS A SCAM = NOT PRIVATE
Don't keep misrepresenting and telling people that it's private. You're scamming people for your "get rich quick" scheme.
Holy crap. I feel bad for people that CAN'T read. But I guess that's what you get with people that speak broken english.
You never answered my question.
XSPEC IS A SCAM = NOT PRIVATE = HAS PUBLIC RICHLIST = HAS LARGEST WALLET = 99% OF COINS IS OWNED BY 1000 WALLETS THAT ARE VIEWABLE.
Richlist
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xspec/#!rich
Seriously. It's not private, it's a misrepresentation and a scam to call it "private"
You never answered my question.
XSPEC IS A SCAM = NOT PRIVATE = HAS PUBLIC RICHLIST = HAS LARGEST WALLET = 99% OF COINS IS OWNED BY 1000 WALLETS THAT ARE VIEWABLE.
Richlist
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/xspec/#!rich
Seriously. It's not private, it's a misrepresentation and a scam to call it "private"
How about deeponion? Big community and very active developers, anyone tested?
Yeah but i think we are a bit late to that party lol
rich list only in public adresses. Spectrecoin has stealth adresses too. Could you tell me how many coins i have? you are scam bro.
post your address pls. I'd really like to see the outcome. I though spec was private before this thread...
lol this is a discussion of football hooligans throwing trash at echother.
All 3 are private to a great degree. i own verge and still have a little monero . spectre is still in review lol
why would you throw trash at other coins, specially when you know yourself that you are a liar?!!!
Verge has improved privacy to a great extent, by their wraith protocol, they has even hired 3rd party audits to prove its effectiveness. I like the idea, but it is done to make some people who have money in other coins shut up and stop the idiotic stuff they say about this protocol not working properly.
Verge is going to make more changes ( changing the blockchain for wraith..) we'll see what happens
Spectre has been out of my radar for a few week, but last time i checked it seemd to be a good coin.
While my technical understanding of how coins achieve privacy may be a bit light on in some areas, from my own research I think Zencash is a real privacy coin (or is at least working to become a legitimate and complete privacy coin).
Have a look at their website and blog - very active developers, with a solid background and understanding of the issues. They also have some great youtube clips to explain what they are doing and why. I think they are ahead of many competitors.
Have a look at their website and blog - very active developers, with a solid background and understanding of the issues. They also have some great youtube clips to explain what they are doing and why. I think they are ahead of many competitors.
If you evaluate a coin by subjective trust to people, rather than by objective technical characteristics, then only very stupid people will listen to you KimJungUn. Stop wasting our time.
Lol, says the one trusting persons to create an anonymous coin without any white paper or technical details whatsoever... up until now XPSEC is still total vapourware... stop wasting our time
There is open source code: https://github.com/spectrecoin/spectre
All the general information that is usually found in white paper - there is: https://altcoinwiki.org/en/SpectreCoin
There is an objective technically comparison with a description of the advantages of other coins: https://altcoinwiki.org/en/SpectreCoin#Comparison_with_other_coins
no it's not, stop deflecting, their big gig is anonymous staking, for which they have delivered no proof whatsoever, thus vapourware at the moment... I can only hope they pull it off, but the way they're handling things now, making promises without delivering any proof has me worried, that's all...
anyway, best of luck,
best regards
If you evaluate a coin by subjective trust to people, rather than by objective technical characteristics, then only very stupid people will listen to you KimJungUn. Stop wasting our time.
Lol, says the one trusting persons to create an anonymous coin without any white paper or technical details whatsoever... up until now XPSEC is still total vapourware... stop wasting our time
btw, big LOL at optional stealth addresses, optional privacy = no/bad privacy, see here: https://z.cash/blog/new-research-on-shielded-ecosystem.html
good luck hiding in plain sight
It is proved that KimJungUn is an incompetent scammer trying to mislead people: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/which-coins-are-really-privacy-and-anonymous-2788384
I don't trust you or anyone else to keep my coins from being fungible.
If you evaluate a coin by subjective trust to people, rather than by objective technical characteristics, then only very stupid people will listen to you KimJungUn. Stop wasting our time. 
As long as you don't turn it into fiat your wallet stays anonymous, after that that wallet address can get linked to you. Blockchain info is still in its early development, as soon as the government has enough programs to be able to run a search etc it will become easy to see who has what.
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