Which is better Government run Lottery or private run Lottery - page 4.

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Quote from: robelneo on July 31, 2019, 01:42:07 AM

Philippine President Duterte suspended the operation of the government-run lottery because it is spam infested and many governments appointed officials are pocketing money coming from the sales, do you think it is much better to let a private company run the Lottery or they set up a monitoring board to check if all funds are all remitted..

Source : https://www.rappler.com/nation/236406-duterte-suspends-pcso-gaming-operations-july-26-2019

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I don't even know there are private lotteries. I expect that the government tries to maintain a monopoly on it since it's a big cash cow.

I would prefer that the lottery be operated by the government. If it's private then the amount of money the state gets from it would be much smaller. I saw in a vid somewhere that most of the income PCSO gets from lotto actually goes into charity and that the money that goes into operation cost is only less than a quarter of that income. That's a lot of healthcare money the government don't have to pull out of income tax, etc.

There needs to be proper accounting though, when dealing with such large amounts of money it's inevitable that some would get pocketed away.

Quote from: Natalim on August 01, 2019, 03:45:22 AM

I hope everyone operators would adopt with that as that would surely give real transparency to millions of people betting their money in lottery.
Philippine Lottery is just like this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa2qj4EStyI

They are still employing an old school way of drawing the winning combination, and that kind of way games can easily be rigged with inside job.

Well, it could be better. There should be other ways of getting the winning combination. I just want the lottery to still be "active" where bettor selects his own combination rather than just buying a card that have a combination preprinted on it.

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Quote from: adzino on July 31, 2019, 01:53:51 PM

None. Both Government run lottery or private lottery will be filled with corruptions in one way or the other. That is the huge problem of centralization. Single authority means giving power to a single person who can manipulate anything according to his own will. That is why decentralized lottery would be the best thing. Everything will be publicly available and the lotteries will also be fair. No corruption or manipulations!

I'm assuming that we are living in the same countries because we see the same with the governments.

I'm not against our government but even government-run lotteries can be filled with corruptions too unless they will be transparent enough and share every information to the public then maybe. A private-run lottery is surely filled with corruptions. Decentralized lotteries with the power of blockchain is I think the best way to prevent corruptions in lotteries.

Well right, when government-run lotteries are corrupt, it is certain that privately managed lotteries will have far more corruption. Transparency is very precise with problems like this, but I think the lottery manager will not provide information to the public.

Lottery Blockchain can indeed be a solution here, I support this kind of lottery where everyone can transparently the lottery results without corruption and everything is stored without manipulation in the blockchain. The problem is that there are still a few who accept it, but for those who don't want to be victims of corruption, they will definitely choose this.

Though blockchain lottery is still far from this country, there are already lotteries running via blockchain.
And yes it is right, private or public operated lottery, corruption will always be there.
Blockchain technology will address such transparency of this type of gambling.
But I wonder if government officials will support this tech as they don't have milking cow in this situation.
But for the benefit of the people patronizing this gambling and the people who are getting aid by this institution, I guess the government should seriously consider integrating blockchain within the system.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on July 31, 2019, 08:52:09 PM

Quote from: adzino on July 31, 2019, 01:53:51 PM

None. Both Government run lottery or private lottery will be filled with corruptions in one way or the other. That is the huge problem of centralization. Single authority means giving power to a single person who can manipulate anything according to his own will. That is why decentralized lottery would be the best thing. Everything will be publicly available and the lotteries will also be fair. No corruption or manipulations!

I'm assuming that we are living in the same countries because we see the same with the governments.

I'm not against our government but even government-run lotteries can be filled with corruptions too unless they will be transparent enough and share every information to the public then maybe. A private-run lottery is surely filled with corruptions. Decentralized lotteries with the power of blockchain is I think the best way to prevent corruptions in lotteries.

Well right, when government-run lotteries are corrupt, it is certain that privately managed lotteries will have far more corruption. Transparency is very precise with problems like this, but I think the lottery manager will not provide information to the public.

Lottery Blockchain can indeed be a solution here, I support this kind of lottery where everyone can transparently the lottery results without corruption and everything is stored without manipulation in the blockchain. The problem is that there are still a few who accept it, but for those who don't want to be victims of corruption, they will definitely choose this.

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I think that depends on the country where the lottery is running,in USA I would trust more a lottery run by the government rather than one from a private company as the US government is seen as one of the less corrupted in the world but I would trust more a private company in the Philippines running a lottery rather than the government there. It all depends on what country is issuing the lottery.

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A government run lottery seems safer and less likely to take everyone's money and do an exit scam.

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Actually, it does not matter to me whether the lottery is being ran by the government or a private company. What matters is the prize. And of course the fairness behind the draw. It is better to bet on provably fair online lotteries. It seems to me that there is a little problem with the way government-ran lotteries are being drawn. The persons who will handle the draw are from the government, the witnesses are also from the government themselves. It is easy to smell something fishy with government works.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on August 01, 2019, 12:02:39 AM

IMO, both government and private is not provably fair and prone to embezzlement at many levels. Just like @joniboini said, it is better to use on-chain lottery with smart contracts. You guys might want to check LOTEO as this casino provide provably fair on-chain PvP lottery.

Perhaps on-chain betting would be the new norm of running games of chance.

I hope everyone operators would adopt with that as that would surely give real transparency to millions of people betting their money in lottery.
Philippine Lottery is just like this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa2qj4EStyI

They are still employing an old school way of drawing the winning combination, and that kind of way games can easily be rigged with inside job.

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Quote from: sweetbet on July 31, 2019, 10:40:20 PM

A government run lottery seems safer and less likely to take everyone's money and do an exit scam.

You can't be too sure about how safe it will be when
it is been run by the government. What we should be looking at is how transparent it will be of it is being controlled by either the private or the government.
If the private can be fair in it with accountability than the government then it will be safer being held by them and so it will be if the government is transparent more than the private holder.

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IMO, both government and private is not provably fair and prone to embezzlement at many levels. Just like @joniboini said, it is better to use on-chain lottery with smart contracts. You guys might want to check LOTEO as this casino provide provably fair on-chain PvP lottery.

Perhaps on-chain betting would be the new norm of running games of chance.

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Philippine should use blockchain, or any other public verified and transparent database for that. The question is tricky because it requires you to trust either government or private companies which is difficult at one point or another. It's almost impossible to verify how the systems work if they don't make it public/open-source, and you'll need to rely on other parties, to investigate it. So, there are at least 2 layers of trust involved.

With blockchain and smart contracts, verification will be easier. We just need to make sure the smart contract that is used is the same one.

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Quote from: NavI_027 on July 31, 2019, 08:39:50 PM

Quote from: robelneo on July 31, 2019, 01:42:07 AM

Philippine President Duterte suspended the operation of the government-run lottery

By the way, the president Duterte finally uplift the suspension on lotto operations. Take note, lotto operarions only, STL and Peryahan ng Bayan are still closed. I think that was good than nothing, at least you can still gamble

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And may I just add, PCSO have this new way to entertain queries of the people which they called "Itanong mo kay GM" (Ask GM) where GM stands for General Manager. Based on my understanding, its aim is to address inquiries regarding their operations and is directed to the aforementioned official. Though they are not yet investigating, at least people can now raise their questions more conveniently (at least that's what I think).

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Quote from: NavI_027 on July 31, 2019, 08:39:50 PM

Gambling is still a gambling, it causes bad effects for us so I don't it doesn't matter if it run by government or private sector. For tjis reason, it makes me hard to choose between the two. But if I really have to then I'll go for government-run because I can assure of its legality and the prize pool is way bigger than the other Grin

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I think if we could choose the government-run, it will be safe for us because we don't have to afraid of the places will scam us. Besides that, I think people don't have to be a worry about the worst thing that might happen because the government will protect the people. And like what you said, the lottery will get the legality from the government. But yes, it might be corruption that will happen with that industry since the government taking control of every place. I am sure that there will the next update from the government, and they will explain everything.

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I think he does not want government officials to hold that kind of money but I think that is an opportunity private companies will abuse and that is their turn to get some of that great price.

I agree that as long as there is money involved, there will be still 100% one of those people who will be corrupting that money. For me, I think it is better for the government to run that than these private companies or other third parties.

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Quote from: Bttzed03 on July 31, 2019, 01:50:55 AM

I would still prefer the Government to control lottery. I think we've had enough privatizations in the last few decades and we already know the consequences. The ban has been lifted already by the way.

I think what the Philippine president did right from their side, that the lottery was only spam infested, so they decided to ban it, so that the use of lottery gambling could be reduced, but instead allowed third parties to operate more. we as players will certainly be disappointed because they think that the government will be far more reliable when controlling it. there is no guarantee of security when the private corporation that operates it

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Quote from: Ucy on July 31, 2019, 05:27:44 PM

How is it possible that a government run program/lottery is "spam infested". I thought government things are usually well controlled? Or was it a public - private partnership kind of lottery?
I don't think handing over to private individuals would make it any different except the whole thing is tightly regulated.
It also depends on what the president means by spam.

Everywhere we cannot expect perfection, money is the big thing that changes the mind of anyone in no time. In my state we've a lottery which is run by government and has got good acceptance and without any flaw it is functioning.. This is started for some purpose, the lottery ticket selling rights is given only to physically challenged persons so that they'll get small earning for their livelihood. Further the earning government get through the lottery was funded for the health and medical benefits of poor people who are categorized on various standards.

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Quote from: adzino on July 31, 2019, 01:53:51 PM

None. Both Government run lottery or private lottery will be filled with corruptions in one way or the other. That is the huge problem of centralization. Single authority means giving power to a single person who can manipulate anything according to his own will. That is why decentralized lottery would be the best thing. Everything will be publicly available and the lotteries will also be fair. No corruption or manipulations!

I'm assuming that we are living in the same countries because we see the same with the governments.

I'm not against our government but even government-run lotteries can be filled with corruptions too unless they will be transparent enough and share every information to the public then maybe. A private-run lottery is surely filled with corruptions. Decentralized lotteries with the power of blockchain is I think the best way to prevent corruptions in lotteries.

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How is it possible that a government run program/lottery is "spam infested". I thought government things are usually well controlled? Or was it a public - private partnership kind of lottery?
I don't think handing over to private individuals would make it any different except the whole thing is tightly regulated.
It also depends on what the president means by spam.

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Gambling is still a gambling, it causes bad effects for us so I don't it doesn't matter if it run by government or private sector. For tjis reason, it makes me hard to choose between the two. But if I really have to then I'll go for government-run because I can assure of its legality and the prize pool is way bigger than the other Grin

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Quote from: robelneo on July 31, 2019, 01:42:07 AM

Philippine President Duterte suspended the operation of the government-run lottery

By the way, the president Duterte finally uplift the suspension on lotto operations. Take note, lotto operarions only, STL and Peryahan ng Bayan are still closed. I think that was good than nothing, at least you can still gamble

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Quote from: Ucy on July 31, 2019, 05:27:44 PM

How is it possible that a government run program/lottery is "spam infested".

Me iether . i dont know why its consider spam by the op . i think the spam word is not good to use on this situation because for me spam means too many unwanted ( like in a forum post for example )

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I thought government things are usually well controlled?

Yes it is but it also depend on the country that your living . outside countries like u.s are more in controlled of any government related activities while other countries are known to have a corrupted governement .

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Quote from: rosezionjohn on July 31, 2019, 08:58:48 AM

I would prefer that the government still hold lotteries. It is still better than letting some private corporation control the prices of the tickets and where proceeds should go.

If the governments fails to give the masses what they needed, there's nothing wrong in letting the private companies run the business

Quote from: rosezionjohn on July 31, 2019, 08:58:48 AM

Quote from: Distinctin on July 31, 2019, 07:13:53 AM

The government are getting funds from poor people to help the poor people, that doesn't makes sense IMO.

It's not like people are being duped by the government to give their money though. They aren't forced to join.

They aren't forced to play the lottery because it a game of chance and the victims believed a lottery run by the governments was another way to help the masses, so there's nothing bad in trying out ones luck but the part of stealing from the game player is way too wrong and that's scam.

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