Topic: Which Ranks send sMerit to which Ranks - and who ranked up (Read 961 times)

You dont need to be an excellent one to contribute for this forum. You just need a fresh idea and deliver it to this forum, and i guess there are still a lot of idea to discover out there. Even though i made some statistic back there, but DdmrDdmr took it to another level with a great new idea, and that is what you must aim for your posts/thread. You already have an idea in your post upside, and you know that it is an interesting idea, why not do it yourself? Although the result will have a lot of variable because it is highly subjective.

Ahh!

I know this is going to come across as whining, but I knew people were hoarding their sMerit!!! It would be an interesting idea to have a poll of people with sMerit saved and ask them what they think is a meritworthy post. If it was broken down by member rank that would be even more interesting. I think the legendary and hero crowd have very different reasons for meriting a post than regular members.

This is some really great data. Hopefully it will help me learn how to earn more merit. I don't have much to add to most technical discussions since I am not as technically savvy as many on this forum.

Agree with your serious work, I have no Merit, otherwise I will send a Merit to you!

Right, cheers for the insights.

I'm taking a look at how things are going for new users that registered on the day the merit system was set in motion (just the new registered users), and the first surprise is that, out of the first 40k accounts created, 30k roughly are still ranked Brand New with cero posts. What you say covers a large part I guess, but it is still a tremendous amount (roughly 75% of first week post merit kickoff created users).

I'm still gathering data and seeing what can be made of it, but my idea is to work on the first 2 weeks of created users and see how they've got on in the forum.

Lots of accounts are signed up by spambots and then get 'nuked' by the moderators. This bans them and also deletes all their posts. It is still possible to login to a banned account as it is just banned from posting and sending PMs. So it could be the bots still trying to post from a banned account.

Other reasons to register an account beyond the search function are to use the watchlist and send PMs.

I don't quite get your point. Users are being rewarded if active, provided that their posts are seen by the community as worthy (of sMerit). Inactive users are not punished directly, nor should they in my opinion.
By the way, there seems to be an enormous amout of users that create an account and leave it there with cero posts, although they may be login in every now and then. I don't get the point of creating the account in these cases, since the forum may be browsed (unless it is to gain access to the search feature).

Selling accounts is not prohibited but, as I see it, buying one is not the smartest way to start promoting projects, since the starting point is already flawed by having a user pretending to have a certain status and implied knowledge in the forum which he has not.

I'm sure there will be a massive decrease. I don't know if the old data is available but I would be very interested to see the number of Member > Full Member after the first 120 days are over compared to the 120 days before.



Don't think it's working as I keep saying 'Please Sir' but my politeness won't budge 

True that in order for the comparison to be fair we would have to compare individuals that have had enough time to rank up in the two month window, ideally comparing users starting from the same baseline. A quick comparison would give us an idea of throughput decrease though.

Regardless, theymos’s new rank system will shatter it all, at least for the remaining of the day...

I understand the first bit now.

On the second point, I still don't think it can be a valid comparison yet. As a Sr. Member when the system was introduced I was 7 weeks away from getting the activity but still had to start at 250 Merit like every other Sr. Member. Until they have all had 8.5 months to earn the Merit we can't compare rank up rate to previous data. In order to rank up at the same rate as before each member needs to earn Merit at a rate of ~1 per day, not 250 in about 60 days. It is still an interesting stat that you are doing, but the comparison will take time to be meaningful.

Khalis_3, I'm the thread OP. Don't hit your head over language on this forum.  TMan's comment is not offensive at all; rather the opposite. I'ts usual common english language and, when used properly, as is the case has the opposite meaning to what you may be interpreting.

What does you told men, you say so dirty in this forum. Why?

Hi,
would you mind sharing me your dataset, please.
I would like to do basic statistical analysis about merit circulation in the forum. Unfortunately, I have no skills to get data from the forum. The raw dataset Theymos gave us contains too little information.
Thanks in advance for your help.

Ty for data mate, I tried to do something with those infos. I've ignored sMerit sent from copper/VIP/staff/founder/mods cause in this way graphs are cleaner and I think they are under 0.01% of population of the forum, only pure ranks from members!

% sMerit sent from -> to

I did some work on this a couple of weeks ago, and posted my findings here: Additional sMerit Analysis (smerit.txt):    https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/additional-smerit-analysis-smerittxt-3167331

It's a rather tough post I must admit, but the interisting part to work on what you mention is down on "4) Given/Received sMerit I (Tab 4):" There I give a full relation of who sent how much sMerit to whom and got how much in return.

These cases are where we can find candidates to account farming that pass sMerit around their accounts. My Google Sheet has all the data needed to spot these cases:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Su1vulMzsbkYPOsU8llr8PrQXRPvy4oM_E218klwHh8/edit#gid=968451010.
Look at Tab 4 specially. It is not Rank related since I did not have this information at the time.

Unfortunately, to catch cases of merit abusers or farms you need to go one by one on each suspect, since proof is down to a qualitative inspection after using a quantitative instrument such as my worksheet to narrow down suspects. I don't know who's task that would be but this is how I would approach the problem.

Also I would make the caught in action users numbers more visible in the forum as a warning for farmers and merit abusers. Currently, therer are a lot of reports of farmers and merit abusers, but no clear report on overall results.

Yes, that too is part of what can be looked into, although from the Rank point of view, which is what is being treated in this analysis, it would be maybe a bit too far fetched (trying to dysect which part of one's rank came from which forum section).

If your interested, there's a good breakdown by Zentdex ->   Where the Merit Pours:     https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/where-the-merit-pours-3093768

That would be the ideal data for the comparison, but if the data called whos ranked up since merit introduced, then i guess it is a fine data, although we can not make a comparison between old member who already has the activiry point or half way with new member who joined after merit system introduced, but this data could be a motivation for all people who thinks that ranking up is impossible in merit age.

I bet that probably at least 25% of the higher end users that upgraded have worked together as some point. 1/4 of the new Hero members are a proven farmer, so you can only imagine how much easier it would be for the lower end members to achieve the next rank. I would suggest looking deeply into many of these accounts, as I am pretty sure that most are suspicious in some way.

True, everybody's before number should be equal to their rank. I´ll explain what I meant in my referenced comment about the Before Data not being 100% exact:

- Merit Txs were based on the extraction that runs up to the 23/03/2018.
- Rank data is extracted with a snapshot for each user somewhere between 28/03/2018 and 29/03/2018 (quite a few hours are required, so snapshot is not simultaneous for every user whose data was extracted).

I worked back from the current Merit Balance (28/29th), substracting the Merit awarded, to get to the initial Merit status of each user.

There are nevertheless some gaps due to the underlying raw data being analyzed having a few days difference. Basically, I don't have in this analysis all the Txs until the exact moment that each individual user's snapshot was taken (lacking 5 days transactions to be precise).

Let's say for example user X had 60 Merits on the 28/03/2018 and the sum of Txs for the user shows he was awarded 50 Merits since the kickoff until the 23/03/2018. That would mean that 10 Merits are non justified from the Tx, so they could either be:

- Given in the initial airdrop (10 lets say)
- Or have been generated between the 23rd and the 28th.

I cannot tell the exact origin of these 10 Merits with non-100% synchronized data sets, but I do know that the user X does indeed have 60 Merits (at least on the 28/29th), and at leat 50 received through the TXs.

The above should, notwithstanding, have little effect in the overall picture of the analysis presented. Future updates (If demanded..) could be made to shorten that window to a max. of 1 day lag between the two datasets implied.
 

In relation to the second point you mentioned, I think it can be done: If we take any consecutive two month window from last year and knew how many users had ranked up in that window frame (regardless of how it took them to get there), we could compare to current two month timeframe.

Say for example Feb/Mar last year has 30 users rank up to Sr. Members (however long it took them). We could compare those to current rank up data (18 Sr. Members). Ofcourse context is different and should be stated to interpret the results.

Fuck me OP this is decent work. You keep this up every month and you will rank up based on repeating these stats. REally is great to see someone embracing the system and using talent and time to put something to the community, well done dude

Just take a look on ranked up hero members.
One of them Turkish-local mostly, hard to evaluate.
Second with red trust for merit farming.
Third looks like truthworthy member.
And for fourth (gawlea):
no red trust, posts in English, but:
1) some posts with 50 merits from one person:
Those oneliners really deserve 50+ merits?
2)
a) January 28, 2018, 06:42:59 PM:  gawlea receives 2 merits from S3cco
January 28, 2018, 06:56:31 PM: S3cco receives 5 merits from gawlea
b) January 30, 2018, 08:16:53 PM: S3cco receives  2 merits from gawlea
January 30, 2018, 02:21:19 PM:  gawlea receives 1 merit from S3cco
January 31, 2018, 12:38:25 PM:  gawlea receives 2 merits from S3cco
c) February 14, 2018, 12:52:46 PM: gawlea receives 1 merit from S3cco
February 15, 2018, 11:09:13 AM: S3cco receives  3 merits from gawlea

Not proofs anything for sure, but seems strange to me.

Heroes that we deserve.

To get a true picture, you would also need to include a breakdown for primary areas of interest. We have some members who are only active in certain areas such as technical, legal or speculation/statistics. I think they are valuable members of the community, but they are unlikely to increase rank at the same rate as members with more general interests. We also have the spammers, and alt promoters, and their 'nepotism' will allow them to remove ranking barriers at a faster rate than more worthy members.

I don't understand this bit as the system was introduced on 24/1 shouldn't everybody's before number be equal to their rank? So all Sr. Members would have started at 250 etc.

I just wanted to make the point that you can't really do a comparison of the numbers that ranked up yet as it takes 8.5 months to get the activity to get from Sr. to Hero we'll have to wait that long to get a fair measure.

Yes, i had it on my list of potential other information to derive...but I'm already getting this kind of look from people around me for forgetting them:  

I Included a new section at the top with a list of members that ranked up, and at the bottom of the post the names of the users of both Hero and Sr Members thar ranked up, with a reference to Copper Members that performed really well.

In summary:

Ranked-up Users

Backtracking the data, we can see who has ranked-up since the Merit Sytem was set in motion:

    0  Legendary
    4  Hero Members (from Sr. Member)
   18 Sr. Members (from Full Member)
   39 Full Members (from Member, 3 of them from lower ranks)
 975 Members (from Jr Members or lower)

I've also ranked  but I'm statistics fanatic and I asked if it was possible

Well, if he extrapolate that data, myself would be accounted to that data  , but i dont know, i didnt ranked up yet, still waiting for my activity, but i have seen a lot of people ranking up since this merit system, some of them that i can remember are iasenko (going to full member from member) and TheQuin (going to hero member from senior member). So, merit rocks !

Chart 1 tells you how many users and merit transactions are considered in the Analysis. Look at the totals there. Basically, every user that had either sent or received at least one sMerit since it was put in motion.

You have 10 Merit, so therefore 5 sMerit. The thing is it does not appear on the user profile but you will see it by pressing the +merit link that appears on every post as Talk merit pointed out.

You should have 5, unless you have spent them. Have you clicked on the merit button? It's at the top right of any post.

Where from such information? How many users participated in the calculation?
Poin 13. Merit Sent from Jr. Members. Who they send it to, I'm Jr. member, but I have no sMerits to send. It's is only I or what?

Yes thanks. Makes sense: He has 105 Merit (100 airdrop + 5 received). All posts deleted therefore Brand New rank.

My guess is that it is a full member account that was purchased after the merit air drop, and all the posts were deleted.

This can confirm what I wrote in the past, often high rank people don't even read what low rank people say. (Not everyone, of course!)
At decreasing of the rank for givers the merit for low rank people increase.
At the increasing of the rank for givers the merit for low rank people decrease.

@OP,
Can you extrapolate from your data who or how many ranked up with the merit system?

Aww, thanks.  And I gave what I said I'd give to OP here. 

I wasn't subtly begging for merit with my post in this thread, either.  It's just that I've run out of sMerits and keep wanting to give them to people who make threads like this, that are nicely thought through and well-presented, and I just don't have the merits to give.  It's not that I'm trying to keep the poor noob (or Member in this case) down--I'm really not able to give out more merit than I have, and that's the bottom line.  I have a feeling that there are other people around here who are in the same boat.  Can't give what you don't have, right?

Just FYI:  That post I made in the gambling thread was more about addiction than gambling, and that's why I made it.  I generally don't have a lot to say about real gambling and the mechanics thereof, since I don't partake in that vice--but I'm all too familiar with addiction.  That whole thread caught my eye, and there are some crazy degenerate gamblers on bitcointalk who probably need some help in quitting.  That'll ruin people and families just as easily as the current fentanyl-laced bags of heroin are doing.

Wonder no more.. Here is the answer to your question:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nemya-1169572
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1169572

It does seem like a glitch though, since the user received only 5 Merit (2,5 sMerit therefore acumulated) in the 120 days  prior to giving 6 sMerit away .. beats me.

I looked through your post history, and I gave you a couple of merits for your gambling post. Thanks for drawing my attention to this board, and I'll make sure that I visit it in the future. Reckless gambling is a serious problem for many people, but not the banks it seems.

I wonder who the brand new member was who managed to send 6 smerit to a senior member whilst he was still brand new.

Early on, in late January and early Febuary I think I gave most of my sMerits to higher-ranked members, though I didn't keep track and I haven't even looked.  Lately, I've been trying to give sMerits out to lower-ranked members who really deserve it.  The problem is that there are so few posts I see by Newbie-Member ranks that are worth meriting--but I have fairly high standards and only so much sMerit to give.

And dammit, some of the best posts are written by Hero-Legendary ranked members.  There's no getting around that, in my opinion.  Right now I'm totally out of sMerits, but if and when I get some I'll continue trying to reward the people who need to rank up.  I try to avoid meriting Legendary members, but I have no problem sending sMerits to Heros.  They need it as well.

Decent analysis, OP.  I owe you a merit.

I had to use "view image" to see it.

Although the numbers is small, this statistics prove that every rank in this forum got merits from each of ranks. I guess it will be increased in the future when we have more merit sources ( and i cannot wait for it to be happen). For OP, i give you an sMerits because i can not give much this time.


Maybe your "this account's" browser can not open the no. 9 table specifically 

Point number 9 (9. Merit Sent from Hero Members. Who they send it to) is sMerit given by Hero Members to all other Ranks ..

I looked all the way through that post, and I didn't see any tables about awards by Hero members.

Here is a breakdown of sMerit sent during the period going from 24/01/2018 through to 23/03/2018. My focus this time is to present the data (Tx data originated from the merit.txt file) by rank, and see the amount of sMerit sent from one Rank to another.

The data only relates to users involved in an sMerit Transaction, so users who have neither sent nor received sMerit are not part of the scope of study.

Bare in mind that graphs show which Ranks receive more sMerit from a given Rank. This is often logical due to the amount of user per Rank.

Note: Rank is not the Rank that the user had at the time of sending each sMerit (which would be desirable, but way more complex), but the current Rank of each user. Therefore, the data presented is a good aproximation, but not exact.

Note: It may be interesting to add to the tables the average received per user in a given rank level and a few other fields. I wanted to keep it simple for now, so those may be added later on if required.


The intention is merely statistical, so without further delay, here it goes....


Ranked-up Users

Backtracking the data, we can see who has ranked-up since the Merit Sytem was set in motion:

    0  Legendary
    4  Hero Members (from Sr. Member)
   18 Sr. Members (from Full Member)
   39 Full Members (from Member, 3 of them from lower ranks)
 975 Members (from Jr Members or lower)

Not too many really given the size of the community. What would be good to know is how many ranked up in 2 months before the system was set in motion to see if this a good pace or not.

Lists of users that ranked up to Hero and Sr Member are provided at the end of this post.

Note: Those are regular ranks (I don't know if Copper Members rank up to let's say Legendary at somepoint).



1. Merit Senders



As expected, sent sMerit is totally correlated to the Senders Rank. Nevertheless, if we compare it to the Merit bare minimun required per Rank, things are not proportional.
For example, Full Member requires 100 Merits and Sr. Member 250 (x2,5). But the difference between those two groups is less than 2 points when it comes to sending sMerit.


Another fact I found astonising, if I'm not wrong, is that only a small portion of sMerit has actually been given away up to now. If we add up all the Merit gained by all users and half-it, we get rougly 1 million sMerit in possesion of users (not counting Merit Sources). Since all TX add up to 111.872 sMerits, it means that only 10,52% has been given out so far.... and that is only adding-up the sMerit from users that have given at least 1 sMerit in this perior of time (more users exist having not yet given any away).


Edit: Included 03/04/2018


Note: Only users that have sent at least 1 sMerit are included in the dataset shown.


2. Merit Receivers



The amount of sMerit received per unique user recreases with rank (this is visible looking at the rable and dividing Merit/numUsersTo. The graph shows more %sMerit received by Full Members and Members, but they are the larger groups so it´s logical.


3. Merit Sent from Administrators. Who they send it to:




4. Merit Sent from Global Moderators. Who they send it to:




5. Merit Sent from Staff. Who they send it to:




6. Merit Sent from Donators. Who they send it to:




7. Merit Sent from Copper Members. Who they send it to:




8. Merit Sent from Legendaries. Who they send it to:




9. Merit Sent from Hero Members. Who they send it to:




10. Merit Sent from Sr. Members. Who they send it to:




11. Merit Sent from Full Members. Who they send it to:




12. Merit Sent from Members. Who they send it to:




13. Merit Sent from Jr. Members. Who they send it to:




14. Merit Sent from Newbies. Who they send it to:




15. Merit Sent from Brand New. Who they send it to:





List of ranked up users (top ranks):

Who became Hero Members?:

name          earnedMerit   MeritBefore   url
gawlea          256              300   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/gawlea-925926
mstfprcn       282              250   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mstfprcn-915311
RichDaniel     283              250   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/richdaniel-886352
TheQuin        235              268   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/thequin-143168

Who became Sr. Members?:

name   earnedMerit   MeritBefore   url
alexberezov        150   100   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/alexberezov-1066970
AlyattesLydia      165   100   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/alyatteslydia-1046135
Bitcocoin            171   100   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bitcocoin-905883
BOMG               150   100   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bomg-1033117
Chachacoin        17   150   100   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/chachacoin17-1002351
First1by            153   100   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/first1by-988901
niknik1966        151   100   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/niknik1966-1013524
PHI1618           154   100   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/phi1618-1071136
scutzi128          155   100   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/scutzi128-163631
Lantind            150   100   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lantind-763725
Twinscoin 2017   228   100   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/twinscoin2017-1093001
levyashin          152   101   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/levyashin-1023029
Yury1              148   102   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/yury1-1056566
ui_zakharchenko 185   103   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/uizakharchenko-1052653
Toxic2040          200   103   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/toxic2040-239406
hugeblack          150   105   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hugeblack-1059082
hirozaki faraday   144   117   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hirozaki-faraday-1080356
mithrim            120   142   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mithrim-1056258

Note: The list of the other ranks that ranked would make this post too long.

Special Ranks I figure don't follow the same ranking up rules. Nevertheless, out of the 133 Copper Member with a sMerit Tx, 15 stand out for having earned more than 50 sMerits:

name   earnedMerit   MeritBefore   url
Lutpin               686   1001   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lutpin-520313
nullius               679   24   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/nullius-976210
bill gator            218   504   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bill-gator-370611
shorena             200   1005   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/shorena-181801
LeGaulois          179   503   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/legaulois-507856
Kreds               178   0   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kreds-1122274
actmyname       156   1003   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/actmyname-465017
minerjones        122   1004   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/minerjones-346731
Matthias           9515   90   250   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/blacknavy-1018510
Battlestar_Coin   78   0   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/battlestarcoin-1792612
Avirunes             57   1000   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/avirunes-175302
bL4nkcode          52   501   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bl4nkcode-765632
Dropper              52   10   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dropper-1091123
irfan_pak 10       50   1003   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/irfanpak10-350580
Wingzcrypto 2018   50   0   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/wingzcrypto2018-1951507

Note: MeritBefore may no be exactly before, since all dataset are not extracted on exactly the same date.