Topic: Who else is fed up with the core development team? (Read 3317 times)

LMAO some of them get paid, so I expect a higher quality that has yet to be met.


How do I have a martyr complex? It sounded like he was saying I am an enemy of bitcoin, clear as day to me.


LMAO I will call roger rabbit, to make them appear out of a hat...

Uhmmm, what about code testing, how does that fit into a forum? Also I don't see a lot of good improvements in there. Also I have seen improvements that Gavin has shot down with no explanation.

I agree, I was on my phone, so I couldn't see that and I don't know him that well.

I was a lurker before I actually register, so you can't go by my date, but yes I remember a different time.

Him and another one, the rest are in the foundation, and Gavin is the lead so you know a lot of the direction can benefit the members of the foundation.

I wouldn't use it for production (I don't think it even has all the features so it could be production), it has a good start, but a lot has to be done.

I am not being sarcastic. I agree the bitcoin protocol is amazing! I love bitcoin, nothing has made me more passionate currently! But cause I question some ethics and how they handle things, automatically makes me enemy against bitcoin? Also I separate bitcoin-qt from the bitcoin theory cause they are very different things. If I have an issue with bitcoin-qt or the core dev team, that has nothing to do with my view on bitcoin.

when you find those developers, let us know.

Bad idea, a single company would manage Bitcoin system development and testing the way it finds most rewarding for itself, e.g. fixing bugs it wants, not fixing bugs its competitors want, preventing certain features to appear before it is ready to profit from them, etc.

Nobody said you're an enemy of bitcoin, besides you. Seems like you have a martyr complex or something.

It is fucking open source software, if you are not happy DIY... The dev team owes nothing to you (unless of course you have done private deals with them, which I doubt.)

They aren't as professional as they could be but then again they don't make that much profit to fund the development in a professional manner.

I guess it would be nice if a big company picked it up and gave it a push, something like Oracle except for BTC. Imagine a multi billion dollar non-US based company pushing BTC forward.

The team deserves a pat on the back regardless.

The "core team" is just a term for whoever is doing it best.

Regardless of any shortcomings there may be, it is good enough to handle millions and millions of dollars worth of business and it is free to use, so they are giving out more value than almost everyone in the world. Maybe linux devs and a few others surpass, but they've had a lot more time.

Have you looked at the technical subform its littered with all the coders and dev team trying hard to remove all the bugs and clean the code up !

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=6.0

Fair enough. But telling someone who made one of the first 1000 accounts "you haven't been around here long" makes you lose credibility.

Gweedo: Date Registered:   02 May 2012, 06:17:49
Elwar: Date Registered:   21 July 2010, 19:24:11

The Dude abides.

I'm aware of and have been watching the releases of the core packages.

My original, mildly tongue in cheek, question to gweedo was about btcd in it's entirety, considering that it hasn't been officially released.

 

I agree with those saying they are doing a good job.

OP, if you're good at testing for bugs, test the client yourself. If you're not equipped to test the client, hire someone that is. If you don't want to do either, find a way to contribute to the community other than complaints.

If OP is not being sarcastic, which I suspect he may be, this is preposterous. Thousands maybe millions of people get working Bitcoin (remember it's essentially magic money) software for free, how is this possibly anything except amazing?

Googled btcd, second link: https://opensource.conformal.com/wiki/btcd

At the bottom are the links to all the live code repositories for the various subprojects.

Damn, I'm tired from all that hard work .

I think the core dev team is doing a good job.  

I don't think google will help me there as btcd hasn't been fully released yet.

If that's the case then fuck em and make new currencies, I did remember reading an article though where Amir Taaki was it? Got asked about what he thought of the Bitcoin foundation and he didn't seem to like them very much.

It starts with "goo" and ends with "gle".

btcd is out?

Where can I get access to it?

Why cause I disagree with how a group handles things?

Wait a minute, when did the core devs of Bitcoin ever become a part of the Bitcoin foundation? No really, I'm not being sarcastic, if this is the case I'm actually on your side but I'm pretty sure most people including the developers at Bitcoin think the Bitcoin foundation is just a bunch of twats going around being self-appointed leaders of the Bitcoin community.

If you think you can do better then Bitcoin is open source and there's nothing stopping you or anyone else from getting the code and messing with it to your hearts content.

I'm fed up with gweedo, does that help?

You don't need to be a coder to be a tester.  Why do you spend your time bitching when you could be testing.

I am fed up with trollish thread like this one.
Dev team, please ignore this thread and keep up the good work.

I'm pretty happy with their work.

Oh come on. What did you expect? Here you have bitcoin: an experiment, a proof of work, a testbed to determine what a future cryptocurrency would need. And then a bunch of guys with dreams of getting rich quick come along and drag that poor widdle unfinished and unready experiment kicking and screaming into the real world to do something that was never intended, namely be that future cryptocurrency itself.

Why do you think Satoshi left? I think, and I'm not alone in that, it was because of exactly that. Would-be-moneybags coming in by the dozens, pissing all over bitcoins experimental state and yelling at it to "Work goddammit, you filthy whore. Daddy needs a new set of pimp cups."

you mean....






YOU ?

Oh now I see! Dev-Team is dangerous! This time they wiped out a tiny helpless thread. What will they attack next?  

Gweedo calm down.
It is rather about improving things than blaming people.
You got what you have asked for, even though you could have been much more polite.

When trying to engineer consensus with words, forming a proper sentences helps.
Where you personally effected by this bug which you didn't know about yesterday?

0.8.3 released. We can now officially close this thread.

+1

It is an open source project, anybody can contribute. If you do not know how to code yourself, you could hire a programmer to work on the things you want changed. If you cannot code and you have no money, then nobody cares what you think; go get a job or learn how to code and then come back  and talk to us later.

Guess what, 0.8.3 was just released and it fixed that very issue. You got the devs moving and they fixed what you just described as an issue. Still mad?

Who are  those "we", or is it a royal 'we'?
Software works and is popular -> software is 'good' ; )
Found a bug? Report it. Or fix it. Can't fix it - hire a developer to fix it. Or hire developers and create your own client(if you are right you will even make some money) which will suit your/that community u are talking about needs.

Can't fix the bug or hire s1 to fix the bug or make something usefull? Yeah.. go whine about "developers hurting community" on the forum..

These are volunteers, and I think they put in great efforts!

I'm not fed up with them at all. They seem to be rational, reasonable people who are disciplined in their approach to the work. They've done a pretty damn good job thus far. My only complaint is the significant amount of Technical Debt that has accumulated but that's common in almost every software project.

dev team? Oh yes, great job well done!

Ok maybe there is some more work to do.
Could be priorities might be arguable.
So what? Such is life!

Your software architect and your happy with them? I don't want work for you, I am curious what company do you do software architecting for, I want to make sure I don't buy their software.

If anything them getting paid is a positive. It allows them to focus more on bitcoin instead of other jobs or commitments.

Never knew about that Windows calculator bug. What a steaming pile.

Armory is basically the only reason that I keep bitcoin-qt running. I love that software Etothepi is one great developer. He is probably better than the core development team, yet Gavin and Jeff get paid, this guy puts on the line his time and life, so we can have great software. And he is just one person!

I think Casascius summed this up nicely last year:

Cause I am not a core developer, nor do I have the time. Most of my day is spend meeting with investors, helping people setup POS systems that accept bitcoins, getting hired for other projects, talking to groups of people about why bitcoin is great for them, writing my own client, and like 20 more things. I barely have enough time for my family and now I should be fixing code for free, that other people get paid to do? LMAO your kidding right...

Worked as an architect for a European central bank some time back... I know how difficult it is to keep in check all possible attack vectors. The core development team is doing a great job. 

As a software architect myself, I am very happy with the core development team.

Keep up the good work.

Or with your Bitcoins.

I am in the process of doing that, but still need a full node of the reference client.


I hate when newbies, feel they can comment on things that have been going on for a long time.
Not really, that should have been an easy test and fix. I worked on some large project and I have personality found bugs smaller than that just cause my test cases were boarder.







As I said I don't expect this thread to be in my favor, just needed to voice an opinion and make sure the community was in check.

If so, why haven't you proposed a solution, alongside producing code to fix it?

You haven't been around here long, you kinda used to it. I remember a different time.


So are opinions bad? Their is also some facts to prove that they aren't doing their job, up to good standards. Look at the bug that they fixed today. No reason why good testing and knowing the code of the client shouldn't have picked that up. look at the dbconfig thing again no reason why testing shouldn't have picked that up.


As I mention above I knew I would get this, I have chosen a different path for my skill set. I have decided to help the economy and get the word out. If I was a core developer I would have forked it by now. Examples one of the devs slams a bitcoin company for how they use the blockchain. I think that is a good example of how they messed up bitcoin. They do things out of not thinking, they act on emotion. Gavin and Jeff both get paid yet the quality hasn't changed, and they still haven't fixed the blockchain which is an important part. If I was getting paid to develop the bitcoin-qt I would be working day and night to test and re-test and maybe once an awhile use the salary to hire more people. Unless Gavin doesn't believe in bitcoin and he just cashes his salary out right away, then those coins should have gone up in value since he started getting paid. Which for the record, he whined about and force the community to create a foundation.

You can also vote with your development skills. 

I disagree, finding all possible bugs in a bigger software is a lifetime job.
They are doing a good job so far.

Development team. Keep up the good work.

If the devs were actually doing damage to Bitcoin, things would change. Give me one example of them trying to mess up Bitcoin. No programmer is perfect, and no code is perfect either. Shit gets fixed as it gets fixed. Calm down. If you have giant issues with the client bugs or whatever, pick up a C++ book and release patches for them by yourself. The code is open-source.

thats like your opinion man.

Not me.

Keep up the good work gents.

They are hurting the community. So apparently a DDOS cause by old Satoshi written code, that could be used to do a DDOS attack. So yeah when do they do testing? I am guessing never, it sounds like this should have been tested and fixed a longgggggggg time ago. And they all think they deserved to get paid? I have yet to see a worthy thing of them getting paid. I guess taking interviews, and slamming companies just takes up that testing time.

We need a new development team, one that has the morals of not getting paid and being greedy.

I know this is going to get me a lot more ignores, but someone has to say it, and if it is me, the so be it. I think they are disgrace to the community. I hope the foundation gets shutdown, and sued for every single penny they have.

And before people tell me that I should switch clients and vote with my downloads, that is easier said then done, but I am in the process and most my servers run my own "client" plus two other clients, (Supernode (Java) and btcd (Go))