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N12

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Well, I can't say that the most successful bitcoin ventures haven't consisted of hacking, stealing and defrauding people. It's easy, risk free and extremely lucrative. Kind of too good to be true. Grin

If it's true and people don't find a way to make it more risky (find and punish some of the criminals, for instance), I guess Bitcoin would constitute a negative sum game in which all honest participants lose. I wonder how long such a thing could last.

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Quote from: N12 on September 09, 2012, 06:52:38 AM

Quote from: greyhawk on September 09, 2012, 06:50:52 AM

Quote from: Dansker on September 09, 2012, 06:35:38 AM

I bet there will be a repeat of the pirate-default. A lot of FUD and then nothing.

Exactly. What will happen when Matt doesn't pay? Nothing at all. And THAT is his lesson to the community.

So the lesson is that people can scam this community without fearing any consequences. Shocked

Yes.

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Quote from: N12 on September 09, 2012, 07:10:32 AM

Quote from: myrkul on September 09, 2012, 07:07:43 AM

Quote from: N12 on September 09, 2012, 07:06:08 AM

The forum post and agreement to enter the bet qualifies as contract. GPG or not doesn't matter.

Contracts need to be signed, or else they're just words.

The signature proves that you agreed to it.

Wow, I'll be sure to never do business with you then if you think this is not a contract, not binding, and not adhering to it is not a scam.

Just make sure I sign any contracts you make with me, and escrow any "bets." Wink

Best practices, in other words.

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Quote from: myrkul on September 09, 2012, 07:07:43 AM

Quote from: N12 on September 09, 2012, 07:06:08 AM

The forum post and agreement to enter the bet qualifies as contract. GPG or not doesn't matter.

Contracts need to be signed, or else they're just words.

The signature proves that you agreed to it.

You can clearly see his signature, it's to the top left of his post.

N12

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Quote from: myrkul on September 09, 2012, 07:07:43 AM

Quote from: N12 on September 09, 2012, 07:06:08 AM

The forum post and agreement to enter the bet qualifies as contract. GPG or not doesn't matter.

Contracts need to be signed, or else they're just words.

The signature proves that you agreed to it.

Wow, I'll be sure to never do business with you then if you think this is not a contract, not binding, and not adhering to it is not a scam.

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Wat

Quote from: N12 on September 09, 2012, 06:52:38 AM

Quote from: greyhawk on September 09, 2012, 06:50:52 AM

Quote from: Dansker on September 09, 2012, 06:35:38 AM

I bet there will be a repeat of the pirate-default. A lot of FUD and then nothing.

Exactly. What will happen when Matt doesn't pay? Nothing at all. And THAT is his lesson to the community.

So the lesson is that people can scam this community without fearing any consequences. Shocked

Pretty much.

myrkul

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Quote from: N12 on September 09, 2012, 07:06:08 AM

The forum post and agreement to enter the bet qualifies as contract. GPG or not doesn't matter.

Contracts need to be signed, or else they're just words.

The signature proves that you agreed to it.

N12

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The forum post and agreement to enter the bet qualifies as contract. GPG or not doesn't matter.

A contract is nothing but an agreement between parties. If Matthew entered the agreement with the intent to never honor it, he is a scammer. Simple.

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Quote from: N12 on September 09, 2012, 07:04:03 AM

Quote from: myrkul on September 09, 2012, 06:59:37 AM

Matt isn't defrauding anyone, even if he just posts "AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!" and logs off, never to be seen again. Welching on a bet is a dick move, but not a scam.

Why the hell do you think this is not defrauding anyone? He defrauded all parties who have entered his contract. He set up the contract with the knowledge that he doesn't have the money and with the intent to never pay out, but pocket possible winnings.

To me, that is clear fraud. A clear scam. But perhaps in libertopia, things are different.

Did you see a contract? I saw a forum post, not even gpg signed.

N12

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Quote from: myrkul on September 09, 2012, 06:59:37 AM

Matt isn't defrauding anyone, even if he just posts "AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!" and logs off, never to be seen again. Welching on a bet is a dick move, but not a scam.

Why the hell do you think this is not defrauding anyone? He defrauded all parties who have entered his contract. He set up the contract with the knowledge that he doesn't have the money and with the intent to never pay out, but pocket possible winnings.

To me, that is clear fraud. A clear scam. But perhaps in libertopia, things are different.

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Who can blame him, he lost a lot of money to Pirate and needs to recoup his losses. Simple really.

myrkul

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Quote from: N12 on September 09, 2012, 06:52:38 AM

Quote from: greyhawk on September 09, 2012, 06:50:52 AM

Quote from: Dansker on September 09, 2012, 06:35:38 AM

I bet there will be a repeat of the pirate-default. A lot of FUD and then nothing.

Exactly. What will happen when Matt doesn't pay? Nothing at all. And THAT is his lesson to the community.

So the lesson is that people can scam this community without fearing any consequences. Shocked

I still say this doesn't quite meet the requirements for a "scam." (The conditions of the bet require that if he doesn't pay, he be tagged a scammer, though, I'm not disputing that, or that he should be.) Matt isn't defrauding anyone, even if he just posts "AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!" and logs off, never to be seen again. Welching on a bet is a dick move, but not a scam.

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Quote from: greyhawk on September 09, 2012, 06:50:52 AM

Quote from: Dansker on September 09, 2012, 06:35:38 AM

I bet there will be a repeat of the pirate-default. A lot of FUD and then nothing.

Exactly. What will happen when Matt doesn't pay? Nothing at all. And THAT is his lesson to the community.

So the lesson is that people can scam this community without fearing any consequences. Shocked

greyhawk

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Quote from: Dansker on September 09, 2012, 06:35:38 AM

I bet there will be a repeat of the pirate-default. A lot of FUD and then nothing.

Exactly. What will happen when Matt doesn't pay? Nothing at all. And THAT is his lesson to the community.

Cluster2k

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Whatever happens, it will be fascinating. Popcorn at hand, waiting for the outcome.

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Quote from: Dansker on September 09, 2012, 06:35:38 AM

I bet there will be a repeat of the pirate-default. A lot of FUD and then nothing.

LOL what do you bet? Seems like many still can't put their money where their mouth is.

Dansker

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Hello world!

I bet there will be a repeat of the pirate-default. A lot of FUD and then nothing.

Chang Hum

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Who's riX2000 at the top of the list with a 15000 bet? I just did a member search and it shows he registered 2 days ago and has no posts!

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Quote from: smoothie on September 09, 2012, 04:44:29 AM

I'd say there is much more transparency in Matthew's bet than Pirate's Bullshit and Trust.

There. You said it, not me.

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Quote from: bitlane on September 09, 2012, 04:42:15 AM

Are you guys certain that you are clear on the terms of the bet ?

I'd say there is much more transparency in Matthew's bet than Pirate's Bullshit and Trust.

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