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January 04, 2020, 05:00:49 PM
#32
Apparently the price has trebled on the local Bitcoins market. So is it rich people trying to preserve their wealth, or is it people using it for everyday purchases? Mohammad Reza Pourebrahimi, chairman of Iran’s economic commission, has stated that more than $2.5 billion has been transferred out of the country via Bitcoin. Will this be the primary function of Bitcoin as we creep towards World War 3?

It could just be average citizens afraid that their local currency is going to tank because of possible war or economic sanctions. From what I remember from Venezuela there was a lot of regular citizens buying up bitcoin when their economy went tits up after hyperinflation set in. Maybe people in Iran are just using bitcoin to easily get their money out of the country as I'm sure it's much easier to do than the other cash alternatives which I'm sure a lot of them have already been restricted by the US.

I know that the second most important man of Iran, just died yesterday in that attack.

Is that true? I thought that he was the public head of a covert operations section, and not that important. They seem to have replaced him pretty quickly, and expanded the department, so it looks as if once again the US has shot itself in the foot. It was an orchestrated move according to John Bolton, and not the preemptive strike that the media reports. In fact it was really the murder of a diplomat attending a planned and well reported meeting in a foreign sovereign state, and many see it as yet another example of US terrorism.

The media was basically kind of saying that's he's essentially the second most powerful man in Iran, but not sure how accurate that is. I guess being the head of the military is a powerful position but it's not like it's just one step down from the president.

If i were to guess, these are traders taking advantage of the situation. Of course there are also people trying to preserve their money, and if the Iranian government is doing it, it would be an incredible precedent. Trump might find an excuse to hate Bitcoin even more.

Most Venezuelans were already poor once hyperinflation "hit", those large movements are from traders many of which don't even live in the country. So i can safely guess the same thing is happening in Iran. Sometimes foreigners rent bank accounts from locals for their trades. And yes, distortions often cause incredible local spikes in price, which would let you make a lot of money if you have the needed connections. ie: a bank account in the country, knowledge of local rules (bank limits), local contact etc. Yes there could be some rich people too, and some gov people its a free market after all. That's the beauty of a State-less economy.

Please note that its actually incorrect to say money is getting in or out certain physical place. If it becomes bitcoin, it is bitcoin everywhere. Bitcoin is border-less, once you change your country's fiat into Bitcoin, you have gained a worldwide asset. So rather than saying the money leaves Iran, you could say the money enters Bitcoin. It can still be used inside Iran at any moment, unlike doing the same with forex or some foreign bank account. The difference is huge if you stop to think about it...

Iranians buying bitcoin are not really taking the money out of the country, but they are saving it from both the country (Iranian State) and the potential aggressor/invader (see the military command economy they imposed to Germans after the fall of the 3rd Reich). This is one more reason why Bitcoin is so valuable rather than some physical asset that could be seized or destroyed, or a fiat that could lose all value overnight.
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January 04, 2020, 04:52:02 PM
#31
Their economy may be in shambles if they decide to go to war with the US.

It is the US that is trying to go to war with Iran. This latest even is an act of war by the US, and is not based on any proven action by Iran.
Exactly, the war started by the US and they know that Iran can’t handle their power and yet, they are trying to get Iran through the war, well this has been a war for a decade and nothing new about the US power. Anyway, the price of bitcoin in Iran is really big but i think people buy bitcoin so their money will not depreciate that much, it looks like bitcoin is a safe place during a war. I just hope that this war will end soon.
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January 04, 2020, 04:26:04 PM
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It certainly looks like people in Iran are moving wealth.
on the upside this is a prime example of one of the uses of Bitcoin (and crypto)

on the downside if the situation between the U.S and Iran escilates there will be
LOSS OF LIFE, that superseeds everything.

such a pity that we are entering another hostile situation, can we not learn from
the past?

if they are moving their money out of the country that means these people buying BTC is looking for somewhere safe where there will be no war.  but buying at the current price on their localbitcoin seem too much. and so its definitely just the rich that can afford at such price.

i would probably watch the news everyday from now on to see what will happen. i hope the tension calm down before Iran decide which route to go.

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January 04, 2020, 04:05:08 PM
#29
It certainly looks like people in Iran are moving wealth.
on the upside this is a prime example of one of the uses of Bitcoin (and crypto)

on the downside if the situation between the U.S and Iran escilates there will be
LOSS OF LIFE, that superseeds everything.

such a pity that we are entering another hostile situation, can we not learn from
the past?
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January 04, 2020, 03:44:01 PM
#28
Holding Bitcoin, gold and silver coins won't help you if you are nuked. However, if your economy tanks, or the US decides to sanction your country, then having made good prepping plans can help you through the transition.
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January 04, 2020, 03:15:13 PM
#27
Apparently the price has trebled on the local Bitcoins market. So is it rich people trying to preserve their wealth, or is it people using it for everyday purchases? Mohammad Reza Pourebrahimi, chairman of Iran’s economic commission, has stated that more than $2.5 billion has been transferred out of the country via Bitcoin. Will this be the primary function of Bitcoin as we creep towards World War 3?

no idea who is buying but if the price is 3 times the market , they are crazy to be doing it
and I certainly don't think we are creeping towards World War 3 , even the thought of it makes me cringe
who will care about the markets , bitcoins and whatnot when your home is destroyed by a bomb or a nuclear strike?
nothing matters then , hope the politicians cool their stupid heads and won't let this escalate further
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January 04, 2020, 03:13:23 PM
#26
Apparently the price has trebled on the local Bitcoins market. So is it rich people trying to preserve their wealth, or is it people using it for everyday purchases? Mohammad Reza Pourebrahimi, chairman of Iran’s economic commission, has stated that more than $2.5 billion has been transferred out of the country via Bitcoin. Will this be the primary function of Bitcoin as we creep towards World War 3?

don't get too excited. iranian localbitcoins volume has hit rock bottom the past few weeks. https://coin.dance/volume/localbitcoins/IRR/BTC

according to this report, these claims about skyrocketing price are bogus too. they are based on the central bank's official USD exchange rate, which is inflating the BTC/USD exchange rate. spot prices in iran apparently actually reflect the global market:

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“It’s only possible for few businesses and government with special procedure to get that rate,” explained a crypto expert Ali Beikverdi.

“The official rate is what the central bank says. But literally, no one except some government organizations can get that rate while no one can use it. It’s a joke.”

“So if you wanna buy USD today in Tehran, the price is about 140,000 IRR,” he says.

In other words, while the “official rate” is around 42,000 IRR per 1 USD — which would result in the $24,000 price per Bitcoin — the actual rate in the street would give one something closer to BTC’s actual global market price, currently around $7,300 USD.
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January 04, 2020, 03:04:25 PM
#25
Their economy may be in shambles if they decide to go to war with the US.

It is the US that is trying to go to war with Iran. This latest even is an act of war by the US, and is not based on any proven action by Iran.
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January 04, 2020, 01:48:47 PM
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Apparently the price has trebled on the local Bitcoins market. So is it rich people trying to preserve their wealth, or is it people using it for everyday purchases?
I go with the first premise. Demand is surely surging and here is the link to that news https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-selling-for-24-000-per-btc-in-iran-as-us-tensions-escalate

Many people see Bitcoin as a safe Haven, especially when the dollar is in doubt or in crises. If the rich don't want to stock their cash in the JPY or CHF, Bitcoin certainly provides them an alternative, especially when they know it's internet money and can be accessed from anywhere in the world. The heat is already on in Iran.. Their economy may be in shambles if they decide to go to war with the US.
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January 04, 2020, 01:24:43 PM
#23
Apparently the price has trebled on the local Bitcoins market. So is it rich people trying to preserve their wealth, or is it people using it for everyday purchases? Mohammad Reza Pourebrahimi, chairman of Iran’s economic commission, has stated that more than $2.5 billion has been transferred out of the country via Bitcoin. Will this be the primary function of Bitcoin as we creep towards World War 3?

This could be another use case for bitcoin if ever there's a conflict between Iran and USA.

Censor resistant BTC could be the only way that rich and wealthy Iranian can bring their money out of the country. I don't think that Iranians are going to use bitcoin for every day purchase though, I'm not really sure if there are stores that are going to accept bitcoin as mode of payment. So most probably, the rich and elite are going to bitcoin or crypto to hedge.

Its possible but it would be too late for that. They must have figured this will happen long time ago since Gaddafi and the rest, they must had purchased weapons long time ago. If the government are the ones buying BTC, this wouldn't be for weapons but to save the economy just like wealthy Iranian businessmen too afraid to lose their money when economy collapse. 
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January 04, 2020, 01:17:01 PM
#22
Apparently the price has trebled on the local Bitcoins market. So is it rich people trying to preserve their wealth, or is it people using it for everyday purchases? Mohammad Reza Pourebrahimi, chairman of Iran’s economic commission, has stated that more than $2.5 billion has been transferred out of the country via Bitcoin. Will this be the primary function of Bitcoin as we creep towards World War 3?

This could be another use case for bitcoin if ever there's a conflict between Iran and USA.

Censor resistant BTC could be the only way that rich and wealthy Iranian can bring their money out of the country. I don't think that Iranians are going to use bitcoin for every day purchase though, I'm not really sure if there are stores that are going to accept bitcoin as mode of payment. So most probably, the rich and elite are going to bitcoin or crypto to hedge.
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January 04, 2020, 01:14:39 PM
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Lol, I don't think there will be world war 3 Cheesy but yeah I would love to see Iranians buying crypto but spending it in Iran tonadopt the currency and parallel use the traditional currency as well to make the economy stronger and transactions with privacy so that no third party country can monitor its transactions.
But i think some possibility to happen WWIII and because IRAN already try to two rocket attacked at US Embassy in Baghdad start to the decade folks!
Cryptocurrency is illegal in IRAN so how third party can be monitor in any transactions. But 2.5 billion dollar transfer means huge number of amount as per as IRAN.
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January 04, 2020, 01:11:19 PM
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That's such a huge amount and i am wondering for what purpose are they really purchasing these bitcoins for? Are they planning to purchase some illegal weapons to fight the US. I don't think this would lead to war, i expect the international peace keeping bodies to step into this situation before things go downside to create a whole lot of unrest in these countries. We need peace!
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January 04, 2020, 01:10:32 PM
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So is it rich people trying to preserve their wealth, or is it people using it for everyday purchases?
I doubt Iranians are buying bitcoin just to spend it.  Their currency isn't in trouble as far as I know, so I don't know why bitcoin would be needed for purchases. 

Will this be the primary function of Bitcoin as we creep towards World War 3?
They're sending bitcoin out of the country?  Is there a mass exodus of Iranians happening or what?  Where are they sending their bitcoin to?  It would make sense that people would use bitcoin for cross-border transfers, since that can be done relatively anonymously, but I'm wondering what the purpose is for doing so.

And as I wrote in a couple other threads dealing with this situation, I'm very much hoping WWIII doesn't get kicked off here.  I don't know what the hell Trump is thinking, but I don't think like a psychopath so I'm at a disadvantage.
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January 04, 2020, 01:08:40 PM
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Apparently the price has trebled on the local Bitcoins market.

And the 'real' exchange rate is several times lower than the official one. Do the math and it's probably in line with most other places. Same goes for anywhere else with a joke economy. Every time something gets worse for Iran the exchange rate agreed on between actual people drifts further away from what the government is claiming.

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January 04, 2020, 01:05:01 PM
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Probably government itself using bitcoin to buy weapons in other countries and some rich people reserve their money into Bitcoin because it is safe to store wealth. Based on this statement on the article,
"Bitcoin is trading at nearly $24,000 in the USD equivalent of Iranian Rials on LocalBitcoins today. It's unlikely those purchases are paying for the Iranian military's response. Instead, it might be innocent (and desperate) Iranians looking for a way out of the coming chaos." source: .
That was clear that the government of Iran is preparing for possible retaliation.
Ali Khamenei has set a time of mourning for three days, and then has claimed for strong retaliation, it looks like you are right. but maybe the dominance of bitcoin purchases was carried out by Iranian businessmen and investors in panic because they realized this would have a bad impact on the national economy, if it really happened then it would probably be worse than Venezuela.
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January 04, 2020, 12:30:03 PM
#16
Lol, I don't think there will be world war 3 Cheesy but yeah I would love to see Iranians buying crypto but spending it in Iran tonadopt the currency and parallel use the traditional currency as well to make the economy stronger and transactions with privacy so that no third party country can monitor its transactions.
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January 04, 2020, 12:29:07 PM
#15
This is mote complicated to understand than we think because Iran is closed knit country and it's really difficult to know what's the ground reality because there are possibilities that Iranian businesses can use bitcoin as a payment method for trade I mean illegal trades due to the existing sanctions and as yes we expected for price dump during new year which did not happen so there are possibilities that whales are holding upto to Bitcoin.
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January 04, 2020, 12:24:57 PM
#14
We know what have been said about Bitcoin and it anonymity. Iranians businessman and women would be looking to convert their fiats into digital currency most especially into bitcoin. Although, this can also be the government move to secure some good position before the US government will clap down on them at last. This move from the government should be applaud because it will help them prepare tactically.

Bitcoiners should get ready for a boom if the fight will escalate later according the some medias. Meanwhile, US government should know that; the end of USD has finally come and not to be a business as usual when they forcefully go into war with countries just to get more USD for their economy.
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January 04, 2020, 12:17:16 PM
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He wasn't the head of the military. He was the long term head of a covert operations division of the military, and had no executive powers over national military decisions. He was also the leader of the attacks on ISIS and Daish - the terrorists groups promoted and armed by John Bolton, and the US.
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