Topic: Who is Easier to Convince? Employer to Pay in BTC or Local Store to Accept BTC - page 3. (Read 2226 times)

and there is the problem
people want their own local store to accept bitcoin but are too scared to stand with their own local store and help them set it up. they think "someone else should do it" (quoting many other people from the past)
you do realise that although bitpay and coinbase are a 'someone else', but training a retailer about bitcoin, satisfying their questions and aversion to try something new that has negative press isnt going to magic itself away simply because your sitting in your house wishing your local corner store would take bitcoin. if you want your local store to accept bitcoin, you need to be involved with helping them out. not crying from a sofa.

as for needing to be a business. my idea is not a permanent solution and not a solution for national chains. its just a few week introduction which due to not every customer being a bitcoin holder, wont involve much cashflow. and because of this. that small amount of support you offer to introduce them to bitcoin, wont meet the financial thresholds to consider you as a business, nor a MSB in most countries(pretty much all, but i havnt checked them all)

like i said its just a bar tab.
just like prepaying anything.. drinks in a pub, wedding planning, cinema bookings, pre-release video games,
your just prepaying for future customer and accepting bitcoin as a 'ticket' that the business has processed a cash transaction.

if you think a local store is going to do over a few thousand $$ in bitcoin transaction in just a few weeks, then you are mistaken.
in most cases the money you will use as a bar tab is no different then buying a round of drinks for a group of 6 people.

this topic is about local stores.. not international corporations afterall.

the way i see it is this
if you live in a small town in england. and you know a shop in YOUR town that YOU wish would accept bitcoin. dont sit on your sofa crying about how some corporation in america hasnt spent thousands of dollars to travel to your small town to train the small shop about bitcoin, offering their services as a middleman. do what i did and help the shop understand what bitcoin is and how easy it is to accept bitcoin just using basically a calculator and a piece of paper with a QR code on it. once they are happy then they can decide how popular it is to go it alone, or not bother after a while.

Yes, I have the same thought as yours, because most employers are afraid of risks that bitcoin could bring and they are not as flexible as stores or just simply they do not trust bitcoin or even know about them, employers can hardly accept such a tricky suggestion like that.

Employers are easier to be convinced  i think. Still, they will most likely to pay your salary in Btc from its current USD value. That's no different than buying bitcoin with your money.

Vendors can be convinced easily too if they think they will get more customers by doing so. Most of them convert their btc's to Fiat as soon as possible though.

Much easier a local store! because they can spend coins in various situation in real life!
An employer should buy first btc (and then pay a little fees) need some adapt in the business books...
and even he can ask: why not exchange by your self?!

it depends on the "people" themselves, those who you want to convince to use bitcoin and also the people who are trying to do the convincing.

some people are just closed minded so they will resist adopting a new technology and will never do it no matter how much you try but some others would accept you with open arms.

also you should have the skills to show them how to start using bitcoin and why it is better for them to do it. and if you don't know it completely yourself then it would be a hard argument to win.

I think it is more easier to convice your boss to pay you in bitcoin , if he uses bitcoin to but if not he will be not able to pay you he pay you with digital currency which is using to pay some employes. And for local store some stores now are accepting bitcoin as a payment where they gonna do is to scan your bitcoin wallet and send your payments.

after a drop the price usually goes up again quickly and most of us expect a long term raise anyway. also there are some peaks where the price goes up a lot. over the course of one month or better a year this will even out i would suggest.

both aren't easy but the local store will be lesser hard,they'll catching wider area of payment option to increase their selling especially if they also opening a store in internet,the fluctuation is not going to be a problem because there's exist service like bitpay which will exchange the paid bitcoin to fiat directly at the same time

at the time being many local store accept bitcoin specially in first world countries ,for big companies and employer they will accept to pay salary in bitcoin when we see full official government adaptation  

Interesting question.Both employers and local store merchants will accept bitcoin only if the bitcoin

price becomes more stable.What if you get paid a salary in btc and the next day bitcoin price does 25-30%

down?And what if you were a merchant and your revenues are in btc and the price does down?

i think both of these are having their own difficulties associated with them.

you employer may not want to even touch bitcoin because of taxes and being afraid of other things, and mostly because they are used to this system and never want to change.

as for the stores, they will resist accepting bitcoin as long as there is not enough users wanting them to do it, nobody wants to go through the problems of adding a new payment system and learning about it just to see nobody using it!

Both are difficult in this moment. Giving salaries and receiving money for goods you sell are regulated with laws. Its not something that employers or store owners can just decide to do in real life, and in every country. Maybe there is ways to manipulate with this laws, and maybe even to find some hole in the law, but that again depends from governments and state laws.
Its not going to be easy for many countries, there is free states, and places where people can be free to do many things, but also there is other side. I don't think this will be possible in every country.

I never tried it, but I believe Local Store is more likely to do that. Because it's a very important for an employer to accept Bitcoin, because if they accept Bitcoin then they also have to pay their employees with Bitcoin while not all employees willing to accept Bitcoin as their salaries. Well, I know that the store seller's profit is also important. But if a Store Seller accepts Bitcoin it doesn't mean that they can't accept other payment method, right? They can still accept fiat as the payment for their store. But if you mean that the employer

to be honest i do not like this bar tab idea much. here is why.
you play the man in the middle. you are handling other peoples money.
this means you run a business and need to pay taxes, most likely some kind of licence and also receipts.
then there is also the risk, that the owner will just keep your money, because what do you want to do about it.
i do not see an incentive to go solo. the owner could just stop using bitcoin if you stop the risk free middleman service.
if you want people using bitcoin, then let them use it, do not do it for them.

In some bitcoin companies/start-ups, there are paying btc as salary, so it is done already, but only a few. For most company Pay in BTC, it is difficult now.

Both of them is difficult to convince, local store difficulty are: they need to convert their goods price from fiat into bitcoin and they need to change it everyday because the bitcoin price is changing everyday, and the other obstacle is the transaction speed confirmation
We always do financial management when we have source of income in this case is salary, we cant do financial management if the money we received each month is different

convincing someone to pay in BTC takes less risk for the individual needing to be convinced than convincing someone to accept it in stead of money

It's hard for me to choose 1, but I think need to be convince first the local store , if they already convince about bitcoin adoption and use it as a payment, accepting employee to pay via bitcoin will follow if they know that there are more use bitcoin in there country of course they want it to accept.

I already trying to do that, like tell the employer to consider for accepting bitcoin in their store. but he said if in our environment is not enough users of bitcoin and why he must accept bitcoin? and he rejected it.

the best success for local stores is easy
set up a prepaid bar tab.
EG hand the business upfront enough fiat to cover them for a couple weeks(think bar tab) and tell them if ask to pay by bitcoin, just check the app (your website) to inform the customer how much bitcoin the total is. display the QR code (your bitcoin address) and when it says payment received let the customer leave with the 'cash' receipt, and take the fiat funds out of the "bar tab".
and you just refill the bar tab if it gets low.
no risk to the retailer as they already have the cash
later on they can set up professional services(bitpay/coinbase) and/or go solo after your introductory period.

no risk to retailer, no weird accounting process needed. not even needing to change anything on the cashier register, the cashier just rings it up as a cash transaction because the cash is already in the retailers safe.

but as i said trying to get an employer to mess around with business accounts, obtaining bitcoin and dealing with taxes.. well thats alot of work