Topic: Who is newbie and how long does it take to navigate the forum? - page 4. (Read 757 times)

I think the word don’t teach if you’re a newbie is actually quoted or understood out of context. What I feel many people actually mean’t is if you’re sure your knowledge is limited then don’t teach. It doesn’t necessarily mean all newbies have to follow such advice. It is a bit funny when you see newbie in a thread they creates asking about such and such and later you see same member trying to teach others on that same topic because they have gotten little knowledge these are people that the warning is for.


I think navigating the forum actually depends on how active and dedicated the user is. There are lower rank members that actually know more historical information on the forum than some higher rank members because of the each accounts exposure. But still there are informations that no matter how dedicated the newbie is he will definitely not get information from except they ask or same thing occured because not everything can be researched that’s where old members actually poses more superiority because they were present then and can remember the event vividly

I don't know, but I don't even know if that really matters. Why do you think it's important to (quickly?) learn about forum events and historical facts? I'm interested to hear the motivation behind the question. I'd say let everyone discover the forum at their own pace..

I myself have no problem if a newbie corrects my arguments or others, about other general topic issues, such as bitcoin, economics, politics, trading, altcoins and so on which may be behind him is a person who does have previous abilities before entering the forum, and I think knowledge does not have a limit on rank on the forum, I myself feel I don't have much knowledge.

But I don't tolerate if a newbie for one month already knows the ins and outs of the forum and problems, or plays on the reputation board, a forum that not just anyone can easily find out, let alone someone who has just joined for one month.

May I know what is the reason for that thinking? Do you think people with less experience in this forum are unable to read and write or what? Why do you think people who earn quick merits are alt accounts? What about the people I mentioned in the OP? I understand they have some extra ordinary skills, which is why they have earned many merits. But don't you think a person could have experience in other forums and know these things works? Don't you think people with less experience in this forum has a good writing capabilities?

I forgot another important thing which I mentioned in the title but didn't write in the OP.
How long it should take for a newbie to navigate the forum? Given the forum boards/sub boards has well detailed description. How long it should take for a newbie to know some historical events? For example, How long it should take for a newbie to know that satoshi is inactive, Lauda is not here anymore, TECHSHARE died, light_warrior died, Ratimov's fall down and some other things (Not everything at once).

Newbies with unique knowledge about crypto and advanced computer-related knowledge are only newbies for a while because when they start to post to share their knowledge, lots of users will appreciate it and for a few months, they will gonna be considered once the main characters in the community despite of their late participations in the forum. Unlike others who are not contributing but only reading and gathering some knowledge, these users are more popular, and most likely their opinions are considered strong and trusted. For me, this community suffice for all that I need to know about crypto-related matters because the users are quick to respond whenever we want to know something.

Exactly.

Now imagine if you started your forum adventure with countless "Newbies, this is what you have to do to rank up" or any of the other similar generic crap that we see on B&O bord, how would people react? Someone would call you out for being fake newbie because that's exactly what fake newbie do and then some would complain that bitcointalk is a hostile place while in fact people are just fed up with it.

I agree; it's just a matter of attitude. I had basically nothing but positive interactions here, after first registering on this forum, even though I was a 'Newbie' and posted guides & advice about various technical aspects of Bitcoin.

If you behave like a respectful adult person should, I think people will appreciate your posts, no matter your rank. So I don't agree with below quote, at all.

I think the rank system is good the way it is; personally had 0 issues with it honestly. A minor one was that I started getting invites for signature campaigns, but didn't have the space for it yet. Although I suspect I'm in the minority with this issue, and the manager kindly created a custom signature that fit in the space I had.

First off: remember that "newbie" is an actual word that means "an inexperienced newcomer to a particular activity."(source:Google)

So if someone said "don't teach others when you are a newbie", there's a good chance that the person is actually describing the dictionary term of newbie, not necessarily the Bitcointalk rank. Depends on who is saying it, of course.

I have nothing against newbie teaching me about crypto (or almost anything else for that matter)  related stuff as there are many knowledgeable people around and I am first to admit that my technical knowledge is quite limited, but when I see a newbie telling other newbies how to behave on bitcointalk and what to do/what not do to on the forum, my bullshit alarm immediately goes on.

For example, before coming to bitcointalk I had almost 20 years experience on other forums and I didn't even think about giving other people advices on what to do around here right after I created the account and I am sure that no legit newbioe would do that.

If you're new in cryptocurrency and just join the forum, you're the type of newbie to be considered a newbie indeed because you're fresh and just starting, the more you're active on the forum, then you becomes more used to learning bitcoin a d getting used to the forum, then you will continue to experience growth in such a way that will influence the way you post from how you first started, also increasing in ranks is another thing to consider that you're actually progressing in growth.


That may not have to be a newbie, it may be that he doesn't have time to get online due to his busy schedules or way of life and uses bitcoin but having no time for the forum.


This one is probably to be an alt account.


Most likely bounty hunters, they are sometimes alts, spammers or those that post less of a quality post.

LoyceV has one topic about Bitcoin Timelock too.

Using Locktime for inheritance planning, backups or gifts.

Just like yesterday but that topic is already 5 years old.

In addition, Bitcointalk articles and threads are often used as references on many websites and tweets. For example, I was searching about the Bitcoin timelock feature and how it works, and I found a thread where the writer wrote a great tutorial and mentioned that it is just a detailed version of TryNinja's post. https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@daan/how-to-create-time-locked-transactions-with-bitcoin-free-bitcoins-inside I felt proud when I saw that the Bitcointalk post was referenced. Often I see people tweet historical events and give Bitcointalk links as references. That's where new users come to this forum. Sometimes, I see a new user registered just to write one reply and then they never come back to this forum. But they get a couple of merits for their post. They were a newbie to this forum. But, they are not newbie on some specific field.

I would like to classify them with two main criteria.

• Member rank.
• Knowledge.

If they have great knowledge, their newbie rank is only rank and they can rank up to any high rank if they spend time on the forum, make enough posts. Because with those knowledgeable newbie members, they can easily earn many merit.

Without great knowledge, you only can look at a member and judge bases on earned merit and forum rank that surely reflect their low knowledge level.

Me I'm always of the same opinion that not everyone who registers an account today is completely a newbie. The title tag can be a newbie, but the knowledge is far above that, and there is more to be learned from them than what we can even offer to some of those newbies by forum rank. Let's take the two members that you mentioned, for example.
 
In the aspect of newbies stopping teaching newbies when you need to learn, I have come across threads where newbies provided detailed information about how to use a particular thing. If I could remember correctly, it should have been some time last year. In that thread, it was educative, and if I'm not mistaken, it was just the OP's second post to the forum, but the knowledge and tips shared were helpful in situations like that. I encourage such users.
 
But in a situation where a member just registered and opened an account a few weeks or months ago without having any technical knowledge anywhere or even knowing about the forum very well, and the newbie starts making misleading tutorials about things that the OP should even be able to learn, in such a case where you see newbies who try to correct and other newbies who end up making mistakes because they don't have full knowledge of the information they are trying to pass on, these are the types of users who are being advised to learn more rather than trying to teach what they still need to learn.

In my view, someone's actions on their account can say more than their rank. I've noticed many newly registered accounts with smart individuals behind them. Sometimes, these people earn over 100 merits in just one post or upon creating their first post. I see this as a significant achievement for many of us. Even if their ranks are low, there are individuals here with more experience than higher-ranked members. Unfortunately, due to discrimination, as you mentioned, they tend to hide and reduce their presence.

This forum is a place where anyone can share their knowledge and experience in their respective areas of expertise. They shouldn't let other members look down on them. A rank doesn't define a person, so we should control ourselves and avoid using violent or discouraging words on others just because their ranks are very low. They might be newbies, but their ideas are very experienced.

Well said, Besides, I didn't even know about these things until now.

I think this is a scary part that most people don't want to admit. Ideally, newbies are all categorized as learners just because they are new to the forum. Even if newbies have great experience in the crypto space, some people tend to look down on them. I stand to be corrected, but I have also noticed that newbies' ideas or opinions sometimes face altercation, unlike those of regular ranked members. I am saying all this from the experience I once had and maybe still facing. There won't be any change soon, we should just move on with it.

I don't know if this is the proper section to post it. I feel like MetaBoard will be a good fit for this topic. But, let's begin.

My question is: who is a newbie and how long they should be considered as a newbie?
I would love to give you some options and examples.

First one: A user with a very old registration date but made only a couple of posts, but did not earn merit to rank up and his login time is around 10 hours or so.

Second one: A user who registered two months ago and spent 7 days login time and earned around 250 merits in the last 60 days and made 500 posts.

Third one: A user who has been there for six months and spent 25 days login time but made only a hundred posts but his rank is member or Jr. member.

You should keep in mind that a user's rank is a newbie here, but maybe he was a member of another forum like hacks forum, craked forum, or nulled forum. Maybe they have dip knowledge of coding or other sectors. Now, who should be considered a newbie, and how long would you consider him as a newbie and why?

I often see people posts like don't teach others when you are a newbie. This is an absurd word in my dictionary. People like Powerglove or n0nce has far more better knowledge than some legendary members who has earned two thousands merits. So, what is wrong if a newbie try to correct you?