Topic: Who is Patrick A. Murck? - page 2. (Read 7670 times)

Hey Forums, I am Patrick Murck,

I have clients in several states, but my firm is based out of Washington, DC. The type of work I do you could hire a firm anywhere to do: it's Federal law.  When something comes up that requires state law knowledge (in NY or WA, or wherever) that is contracted to someone licensed to practice there.

I cannot comment on any questions covered by Attorney-Client privilege, but if you'd like to ask me something, you can email me at patrick at engagelegal dot com.

Chances are Avvo got his address from one of the jurisdictions where he's licensed. An attorney can be licensed in one jurisdiction and live in another.

Actually practicing law in a jurisdiction where one isn't licensed is dicier. However, the definition of "practicing law" can be slippery. Traditionally, an attorney licensed in any US jurisdiction can appear in any Federal court, or can work on federal matters such as patent (and perhaps FCC issues, I've never done FCC work and don't know what's common with that). To practice within a state or appear in state courts, the attorney would need to be licensed in that state, or be admitted pro hac vice and appear together with a locally licensed attorney.

If an attorney is physically sitting in State X, talking on the phone to a client who's physically sitting in State Y, discussing a lawsuit to be filed in a state court in State Z . . . well, it's a mess. The safest thing would be for the attorney to be licensed in X, Y, and Z, though most people believe that being licensed in X and Z would be sufficient to protect the attorney from charges of practicing without a license, and just being licensed in X or Z is probably good enough, if the action to be filed in Z will be handled by locally licensed counsel.

Also, many states will allow an attorney who is licensed in some jurisdiction (DC is popular because their bar exam is comparatively easy and their yearly dues are comparatively low) to work in-house as corporate counsel in another jurisdiction, but the attorney cannot appear in court on behalf of the corporation, nor may they represent anyone other than the corporation.

In the modern world, where people do a lot of business electronically and the client and the attorney may never actually meet in person, it's not necessarily clear what the rules are. Historically, the definition of "the practice of law" which is forbidden to people not licensed in the jurisdiction has been left intentionally vague, and prosecutors/bar counsel use the vagueness to punish people they see as bad actors, and ignore people they see as virtuous. If you think that doesn't really sound like "law", well, I agree with you.

I don't know any of the Murcks, but my hunch is that the DC Murck is a family member of the WA Murck, who allowed the WA Murck to use his address (since WA Murck is licensed in DC) so that people on the Internet don't get all huffy about the WA address. From Google Maps, it looks like a residential address, so that's probably the guy's house, and it's perfectly possible he never even knew about/thought about Avvo, since they make pages for attorneys whether the attorneys want them or not. If the WA Murck is going to take on a public role in the Bitcoinica problem, he's probably not crazy about having his home address on the Internet.

It's pretty common for one attorney to share offices with another attorney who needs a local address to receive mail or meet with clients, since often clients prefer to be able to sit down with someone in an office close to them. I used to work with a guy who had 3 difference CA "offices" in different metropolitan areas, though he only paid rent for one of them - the other two were friends who had a reciprocal office-sharing agreement. This is unremarkable and not suspicious in the legal community.

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Gotta forgive him.... he need mental bills from internet.

What a lonely 52 yrs old human.

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Bruno, take a couple of days off this weekend and go do something totally unrelated to Bitcoin and the Bitcoinica drama.  You're not doing your own mental health any good trying to find evidence of some grand Bitcoinica conspiracy in which no-one is what they seem.  If there's evidence to be found, it will still be there in a couple of days.

I hope that connection is better than the last 3 or 4 you presented us.

Does that mean that he can safely practice that form of law in any of the 50 states? And why was it that the first time this was brought to light, those close to him tried to refute the same claim?

Perhaps, if Patrick A. Murck would be so kind as to offer up proof to this community that he's in capacity to practice said law in the state of Washingtion, we can get pass this issue.

I, personally, what to know what is his relationship to William W. Murck, who also is a lawyer practicing from the same Washington, D.C. address.

I will refrain from making the connection to Kevin Lim, aka Zhou Tong (or is it versa visa?), until this point has been addressed.

~Bruno~

That is correct. The state of Washington does not recognize him as one that can legally practice law is said state.

Also, why was this page changed?

From: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:DKU0RjNXYu4J:www.avvo.com/attorneys/98117-wa-patrick-murck-1805177.html+&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

To: http://www.avvo.com/attorneys/patrick-murck-1805177.html

The former, dated July 23, 2011, clearly shows him practicing law in Seattle, whereupon the later, changed within the past week, excludes that relative information.

Call me a nut, if you will, but as some other member here was so kind to point out, we have the classic case of the fox guarding the hen house (paraphrased).

~Bruno~

Taken from that same page, on the tab that says "Qualification" at the bottom

Didn't someone say he was licensed in the District of Columbia, not the state of Washington?

On that page is a "law dictionary" and the two terms defined were "alter ego" and "corporate opportunity". I now need to pick myself up after ROFLMAO!


BB.

Where was that proven, Phinn?

You should take a deep breath and slow down a bit. Maybe grab a couple beers, smoke a cigar, relax a bit...

How can the following be true when it's been proven that he doesn't have a license to practice law in the state of Washington? http://lawyers.legalhelpmate.com/WA-Lawyer-Patrick-Murck-909178.aspx