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sr. member
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December 05, 2012, 01:09:01 PM
#48
LTC just died in the arse as a bunch of GPU miners jumped on board for a bit and pushed difficulty beyond profitability. I did warn them that the BTC halving would hurt LTC but they saw more people mining as a good thing. The LTC fanboys thought that more people mining would somehow magically drive LTC prices up when there is no such mechanism.


This was very predictable (from September):

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1200541
you and 10,000 other motherfuckers, what do you think is going to happen to litecoin difficulty?   Roll Eyes
I am more interested in what will happen to LTC price...any predictions ?

(just bought an additionally 7970)

What do you expect? 10K odd GPU mofos selling every LTC they mine for BTC. That's a downward pressure. If a number of them decide to hoard, that's an upward pressure. But as a general rule, short-term minded miners who would be expected to flock to LTC are likely to bring the price down. LTC are simply not traded almost anywhere and they don't offer any big advantages over BTC. Basically the core of LTC who just wanted a GPU free environment will see that goal definitively destroyed.

GPU have very little future as mining equipment. The whole project would be pointless now with a GPU-dominated ecosystem and no single meaningful advantage over the coin that has all the traction - except for those with large quantities of LTC.

Anyone could have predicted the demise of LTC -- it's just the latest "me too" blockchain that has NO advantages over Bitcoin. At least not when all advantages/disadvantages are totaled up and weighed.

Bitcoin has an order of magnitude more traction, acceptance, infrastructure than all those alt-blockchains put together.

I'm sure LTC won't be the last, either.
hero member
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December 05, 2012, 10:47:53 AM
#47
I had everything shutdown but turned one rig back on when I did the math. It's barely worth it though to keep running.
donator
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December 05, 2012, 10:39:45 AM
#46
LTC just died in the arse as a bunch of GPU miners jumped on board for a bit and pushed difficulty beyond profitability. I did warn them that the BTC halving would hurt LTC but they saw more people mining as a good thing. The LTC fanboys thought that more people mining would somehow magically drive LTC prices up when there is no such mechanism.


This was very predictable (from September):

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1200541
you and 10,000 other motherfuckers, what do you think is going to happen to litecoin difficulty?   Roll Eyes
I am more interested in what will happen to LTC price...any predictions ?

(just bought an additionally 7970)

What do you expect? 10K odd GPU mofos selling every LTC they mine for BTC. That's a downward pressure. If a number of them decide to hoard, that's an upward pressure. But as a general rule, short-term minded miners who would be expected to flock to LTC are likely to bring the price down. LTC are simply not traded almost anywhere and they don't offer any big advantages over BTC. Basically the core of LTC who just wanted a GPU free environment will see that goal definitively destroyed.

GPU have very little future as mining equipment. The whole project would be pointless now with a GPU-dominated ecosystem and no single meaningful advantage over the coin that has all the traction - except for those with large quantities of LTC.
full member
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December 04, 2012, 08:30:49 PM
#45
just a 5970 and yep, i shut it down. hope bfl ships soon!
newbie
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December 03, 2012, 09:03:26 PM
#44
over 3/4 of the value of the coins i mine goes back into electricity. i will keep it going until my ASIC comes Cheesy
sr. member
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December 02, 2012, 01:12:04 PM
#43
at the end of the day btc will be the determinator for mining profitability unless some other alt chain grows substantially in its influence.
And explain to me why we need an alt-coin? What's wrong with just simply mining BTC and be happy with that?

Because half of all bitcoins have been already mined by early adopters. Now alt chain is a new opportunity to be an early adopter.
sr. member
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December 02, 2012, 01:45:14 AM
#42
at the end of the day btc will be the determinator for mining profitability unless some other alt chain grows substantially in its influence.
And explain to me why we need an alt-coin? What's wrong with just simply mining BTC and be happy with that?

Alt coin chains are so stupid.

They are just a temporary bit of variety for miners, and they provide a short-lived bonus to the first miners to point their resources there.

But the fact is that even Bitcoin is not well-established with places to spend them, etc. so what chance does LiteCoin, SolidCoin, ButtCoin, etc. have of becoming a real currency, rather than a huge, unapologetic flash-in-the-pan?

Talk about a currency that exists solely for speculation , or a pyramid scheme -- any of the "alternate" blockchains fit this description.

At least Bitcoin has some measure of popularity and stability, with a bit of an infrastructure.
legendary
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December 02, 2012, 01:09:16 AM
#41
at the end of the day btc will be the determinator for mining profitability unless some other alt chain grows substantially in its influence.
And explain to me why we need an alt-coin? What's wrong with just simply mining BTC and be happy with that?
hero member
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December 01, 2012, 10:42:04 PM
#40
LTC just died in the arse as a bunch of GPU miners jumped on board for a bit and pushed difficulty beyond profitability. I did warn them that the BTC halving would hurt LTC but they saw more people mining as a good thing. The LTC fanboys thought that more people mining would somehow magically drive LTC prices up when there is no such mechanism.

This is something that is VERY natural and expected to happen. Right after the halving LTC was twice as profitable at current FX rates to mine, so many miners switched over, now that it has evened out some people are switching off or moving to something else until difficulty drops back down again.

at the end of the day btc will be the determinator for mining profitability unless some other alt chain grows substantially in its influence.
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legendary
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Ruu \o/
December 01, 2012, 05:41:53 PM
#39
LTC just died in the arse as a bunch of GPU miners jumped on board for a bit and pushed difficulty beyond profitability. I did warn them that the BTC halving would hurt LTC but they saw more people mining as a good thing. The LTC fanboys thought that more people mining would somehow magically drive LTC prices up when there is no such mechanism.
newbie
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December 01, 2012, 02:29:51 PM
#38
I don't understand the economic side of LTC right now.  How would switching to ltc be profitable at the moment with such a low price compared to one btc?   Is it based on the speculation that one day LTC will also be worth about the same as BTC?

Not according to my calculations

My gpu farm at current btc prices will only generate about $5 revenue (roughly 3000mh/sec)
Same gpu farm will generate about $10 worth of litecoins.

At least at last night's prices.
sr. member
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LTC
December 01, 2012, 12:50:03 PM
#37
I don't understand the economic side of LTC right now.  How would switching to ltc be profitable at the moment with such a low price compared to one btc?   Is it based on the speculation that one day LTC will also be worth about the same as BTC?

Anything gets traded as long as it gets attention.
full member
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December 01, 2012, 12:40:30 PM
#36
I'm quitting tonight, only kept mining because I didn't realize the block reward halved.

2x Ati 5830s 520Mh/s 320w @ $0.15 Kw/h = no profit until bitcoins price greater than $16

It's cheaper for me to buy them, than mine them, right now!  Cry
legendary
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December 01, 2012, 12:00:23 PM
#35
Probably just the lack of mining competition there, which ensures more LTCs to be mined.
newbie
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December 01, 2012, 10:52:57 AM
#34
I don't understand the economic side of LTC right now.  How would switching to ltc be profitable at the moment with such a low price compared to one btc?   Is it based on the speculation that one day LTC will also be worth about the same as BTC?
newbie
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December 01, 2012, 04:06:38 AM
#33
I am closing my GPU farm and I have made my own calculations to see if I want to do ASIC.  I won't know until mid-Feburary. 

I just did a quick calculation and it appears litecoin as of right now with a ltc price of $.08390 is about twice as profitable as bitcoin mining... which would be where we were prior to the split.

Looking at litecoinpool.org the pool hashrate has gone up 50% since the btc split so its obvious everyone agrees that litecoin is where gpu miners will now be going as bitcoin ASICS won't work with litecoins and litecoin ASICs are not even being developed.

If i'm missing something crucial here someone correct me.. but at this time it appears that ltc is the way to go.
legendary
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Mining since 2010 & Hosting since 2012
November 30, 2012, 07:18:53 PM
#32
I am closing my GPU farm and I have made my own calculations to see if I want to do ASIC.  I won't know until mid-Feburary. 
hero member
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November 30, 2012, 07:10:30 PM
#31
Already moved my machines out of the office and back to home since they'd barely be breaking even on expenses after the halving.  Will probably keep them running though until ASIC arrives then strip or sell the rigs.

There's still a little bit of profit currently in them so no reason to quit just yet. 
hero member
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November 30, 2012, 08:43:23 AM
#30
Geez, shale-gas powered bitcoins!
zvs
legendary
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November 30, 2012, 07:50:08 AM
#29
my elec cost would have to be about 17c/kwh for it to be unprofitable for me (w/o taking into account possible equipment failure, falling value of equipment).  but, for the last 2 months my elec has been slightly under 7c, for the 3-4 months prior to that it was about 7.9c  (it is adjusted based on price of natural gas in texas, essentially)
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