Who the D*CK let Windows defend your money? Are you crazy???
Put your leather wallet near the glass window on the sill, how much time it will stay there?
Why not use SAFE place for bitcoins?
Topic: Who the FUCK is making bitcoin viruses? (Read 10004 times)
Viruses have been made for all sorts of reasons. Bitcoins is no exception. Just like the mac viruses bitcoin's is becoming more mainstream enough to be a big target.
no. to be blunt, you got jumped on for making a pointless thread.
everyone here knows viruses exist and should know how to prevent getting them.
however, running around screaming "OMFG A VIRUS WE NEED TO STOP IT PEOPLE!!!!!!!" doesnt help the situation at all. you cant do anything to stop viruses and botnets outside of securing your own computer.
people have told you that for 3 pages now.
everyone here knows viruses exist and should know how to prevent getting them.
however, running around screaming "OMFG A VIRUS WE NEED TO STOP IT PEOPLE!!!!!!!" doesnt help the situation at all. you cant do anything to stop viruses and botnets outside of securing your own computer.
people have told you that for 3 pages now.
hey, idiots that laughed at this, MSE and a couple of other AV companies now flag bitcoin clients as potentially maliscious but whatever clearly I'm a troll or something.
Nice troll there.
Yes, guilty as charged.
Look, i own several servers that run linux, and no way i would use windows to host websites.
I was trolling, but so was the user who posted the image.
Now more on-topic:
People need to understand that Linux or Mac are not what will keep their computers un-compromised.
Only good judgement and rationality can do that.
I had an IT teacher that once told me: "There is no anti-virus against human stupidity" and he was damn right.
Nice troll there.
Is there a point to this thread? There's nothing you can do to stop people from making viruses either targeting wallets or running botnet mining ops.
If I'm wrong and you have come up with something you can do to stop this, please speak up. Otherwise, this seems like useless ranting to me.
If I'm wrong and you have come up with something you can do to stop this, please speak up. Otherwise, this seems like useless ranting to me.
If the bitcoin community as a whole doesn't stamp out people using bitcoin to power and spread botnets for profit then someone else will, and people won't look too kindly at bitcoin over it, is the point I'm trying to get at.
And how do you propose that be done?
You're never going to be able and get a step ahead of the hackers. If the government can't do it it's not worth trying, too many variables. A police station for bitcoin just to make people feel safer is stupid. It's not going to stop them from stealing. Let people be who they are, if they are criminals, at least we can talk with them and understand why they do what they do. A police for bitcoin would just make them never show their heads. If you really want to get philosophical, let's answer the question of why someone needs to steal in the first place(rhetorical question).
These kind of problems are the ones that need to be solved if bitcoin is going to go mainstream. Nobody thought this was going to be easy. For a community of computer savvy individuals, viruses will not be a problem, but for main streamers it would be detrimental.
These kind of problems are the ones that need to be solved if bitcoin is going to go mainstream. Nobody thought this was going to be easy. For a community of computer savvy individuals, viruses will not be a problem, but for main streamers it would be detrimental.
Is there a point to this thread? There's nothing you can do to stop people from making viruses either targeting wallets or running botnet mining ops.
If I'm wrong and you have come up with something you can do to stop this, please speak up. Otherwise, this seems like useless ranting to me.
If I'm wrong and you have come up with something you can do to stop this, please speak up. Otherwise, this seems like useless ranting to me.
If the bitcoin community as a whole doesn't stamp out people using bitcoin to power and spread botnets for profit then someone else will, and people won't look too kindly at bitcoin over it, is the point I'm trying to get at.
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(My virus discover technique involves sniffing traffic at my packet filter. I can see my girlfriends computer is loaded with something(s) interacting with machines in China all the time. And she has various anti-virus software on a very new and powerful but also very slow machine which is quite aggravating to use.)
(My virus discover technique involves sniffing traffic at my packet filter. I can see my girlfriends computer is loaded with something(s) interacting with machines in China all the time. And she has various anti-virus software on a very new and powerful but also very slow machine which is quite aggravating to use.)
Shhhh, she's a Chinese spy!!! ¬.¬
I'm not so sure about virus scanners. My experience with them is that having them is usually worse than having a virus. I have need to run Windows on one old machine for work reasons (because retards make systems which only work with IE...and even then only on occasion) and I simply don't bother with virus scanners. I use mild caution about what I install and where it came from, and if I have picked up any viruses or whatever, I've not discovered them yet. Cygwin makes the machine actually useful for real things...mostly ssh-ing into a real machine.
(My virus discover technique involves sniffing traffic at my packet filter. I can see my girlfriends computer is loaded with something(s) interacting with machines in China all the time. And she has various anti-virus software on a very new and powerful but also very slow machine which is quite aggravating to use.)
(My virus discover technique involves sniffing traffic at my packet filter. I can see my girlfriends computer is loaded with something(s) interacting with machines in China all the time. And she has various anti-virus software on a very new and powerful but also very slow machine which is quite aggravating to use.)
Simple to track the addresses/generated money. Just black list the coins that are generated via botnets -- pretty simple actually.
How would you detect coins generated by botnets? And if you could do that, how would you detect them fast enough to blacklist them before they get sold off to someone completely unrelated to the botnet operation?
Is there a point to this thread? There's nothing you can do to stop people from making viruses either targeting wallets or running botnet mining ops.
If I'm wrong and you have come up with something you can do to stop this, please speak up. Otherwise, this seems like useless ranting to me.
If I'm wrong and you have come up with something you can do to stop this, please speak up. Otherwise, this seems like useless ranting to me.
Simple to track the addresses/generated money. Just black list the coins that are generated via botnets -- pretty simple actually.
some bitcoin sites are already blocked at various businesses.
The difference being when you've got trojans that specifically do nothing but setup botnets for the sole harvesting of bitcoins it's going to give bitcoin a really bad name with security companies really quickly. Unless the community is going to actively try and prevent this sorta shit happening bitcoin is going to get a really bad name with important places and people who we'd probably rather not piss off!
i still dont think its nearly as serious as the abundant amount of malware in the wild that steals credit card info and the like.
what, specifically, can the "community" do? its up to the security professionals/av programmers/whitehats to find and fix exploits. all the end user can do is keep their computer locked down properly.
Is there a point to this thread? There's nothing you can do to stop people from making viruses either targeting wallets or running botnet mining ops.
If I'm wrong and you have come up with something you can do to stop this, please speak up. Otherwise, this seems like useless ranting to me.
If I'm wrong and you have come up with something you can do to stop this, please speak up. Otherwise, this seems like useless ranting to me.
unfortunately this isnt really a new issue. bitcoin malware has been in the wild for a while. in fact, im pretty sure one of the latest metasploit releases contained the wallet stealer in its program. anyone can go onto hack forums and buy silent miners and zombie computers for thier botnet.
as the end user, it is your responsibility to use good opsec/infosec. be sure to keep your computer locked down in the ways mentioned previously on this thread. yes, it sucks, but its up to you (and only you) to keep your computer secure.
that said, malware can be a serious issue, but its not going to destroy bitcoin. look at bittorrent...how many torrents contain malware of some sort?... and it hasnt fallen apart. most computer users know the risks.
as the end user, it is your responsibility to use good opsec/infosec. be sure to keep your computer locked down in the ways mentioned previously on this thread. yes, it sucks, but its up to you (and only you) to keep your computer secure.
that said, malware can be a serious issue, but its not going to destroy bitcoin. look at bittorrent...how many torrents contain malware of some sort?... and it hasnt fallen apart. most computer users know the risks.
The difference being when you've got trojans that specifically do nothing but setup botnets for the sole harvesting of bitcoins it's going to give bitcoin a really bad name with security companies really quickly. Unless the community is going to actively try and prevent this sorta shit happening bitcoin is going to get a really bad name with important places and people who we'd probably rather not piss off!
This kind of moronic shit is going to get bitcoin a really fucking bad reputation exceedingly quickly
Especially if it gets bitcoin classed as a botnet operation because then you get a whole load of countries cyber-defence agencies involved, which is going to kill the project dead.
This is actually something that could motherfucking destroy bitcoin
I agree OP is a troll. Stop the fear mongering. Especially if it gets bitcoin classed as a botnet operation because then you get a whole load of countries cyber-defence agencies involved, which is going to kill the project dead.
This is actually something that could motherfucking destroy bitcoin
unfortunately this isnt really a new issue. bitcoin malware has been in the wild for a while. in fact, im pretty sure one of the latest metasploit releases contained the wallet stealer in its program. anyone can go onto hack forums and buy silent miners and zombie computers for thier botnet.
as the end user, it is your responsibility to use good opsec/infosec. be sure to keep your computer locked down in the ways mentioned previously on this thread. yes, it sucks, but its up to you (and only you) to keep your computer secure.
that said, malware can be a serious issue, but its not going to destroy bitcoin. look at bittorrent...how many torrents contain malware of some sort?... and it hasnt fallen apart. most computer users know the risks.
as the end user, it is your responsibility to use good opsec/infosec. be sure to keep your computer locked down in the ways mentioned previously on this thread. yes, it sucks, but its up to you (and only you) to keep your computer secure.
that said, malware can be a serious issue, but its not going to destroy bitcoin. look at bittorrent...how many torrents contain malware of some sort?... and it hasnt fallen apart. most computer users know the risks.
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