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Topic: Whose wrong: Gold or Treasuries? - page 2. (Read 2073 times)

legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
August 08, 2011, 12:07:00 PM
#9
I think gold is overpriced right now due to the share market and debt fear factor.  Platinum is much rarer and a more industrially useful metal.  It's also used as a financial instrument yet gold was at parity with platinum earlier today.  Either gold is overpriced or platinum is too cheap.  I wager on the former.

you platinum, me bitcoin.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
August 08, 2011, 12:05:08 PM
#8
one is the antithesis of the other.  both can't go up together for very long. which one cracks first?

Treasuries, gold can easily touch 2000 if this "fear" goes on enough.

What we have seen during this crisis until now is that in moments of fear people goes to cash, specially because there is people that leverages a lot to go into gold and silver and when things go south they need to cash out of gold and silver.

Historically gold and the stock market are inversally correlated, but during this crisis they have started going (more or less) correlated. This is because during this crisis is not about risky investment/safe investment, its about if the dollar will survive or not. So gold and the stock market are acting as a way to get out of the dollar and they tank when people go back to cash.

This is how it has been during this crisis until now. It could change. But keep in mind that if at some point you see the stock market crashing and gold going up for a sustained period of time, it means the dollar is in great danger. When the stock market crashes and people prefers to go into gold than into dollars... that could be the final blow for the dollar.

+1  clear thinking
legendary
Activity: 1692
Merit: 1018
August 08, 2011, 10:36:15 AM
#7
I think gold is overpriced right now due to the share market and debt fear factor.  Platinum is much rarer and a more industrially useful metal.  It's also used as a financial instrument yet gold was at parity with platinum earlier today.  Either gold is overpriced or platinum is too cheap.  I wager on the former.
member
Activity: 69
Merit: 10
Kupo!
August 08, 2011, 07:32:50 AM
#6
keep waiting for somewhat things like "bancor" arrive, then things will burst
legendary
Activity: 1316
Merit: 1005
August 08, 2011, 03:47:38 AM
#5
... gold and the stock market are acting as a way to get out of the dollar and they tank when people go back to cash.

Precisely. The dollar and treasuries being the opposite position of gold & stocks.

Being denominated in dollars as the dollar is inflated, both will rise. When (not if) confidence collapses in the dollar, treasuries have only the support of the dollar while gold stands on its own. Value is not granted by fiat, only represented.
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
August 08, 2011, 01:43:19 AM
#4
Gold is at 1700$ btw....

http://www.kitco.com/market/

Should be an interesting monday when the market opens in the US.
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1001
Radix-The Decentralized Finance Protocol
August 08, 2011, 01:30:31 AM
#3
one is the antithesis of the other.  both can't go up together for very long. which one cracks first?

Treasuries, gold can easily touch 2000 if this "fear" goes on enough.

What we have seen during this crisis until now is that in moments of fear people goes to cash, specially because there is people that leverages a lot to go into gold and silver and when things go south they need to cash out of gold and silver.

Historically gold and the stock market are inversally correlated, but during this crisis they have started going (more or less) correlated. This is because during this crisis is not about risky investment/safe investment, its about if the dollar will survive or not. So gold and the stock market are acting as a way to get out of the dollar and they tank when people go back to cash.

This is how it has been during this crisis until now. It could change. But keep in mind that if at some point you see the stock market crashing and gold going up for a sustained period of time, it means the dollar is in great danger. When the stock market crashes and people prefers to go into gold than into dollars... that could be the final blow for the dollar.
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
August 08, 2011, 01:11:47 AM
#2
one is the antithesis of the other.  both can't go up together for very long. which one cracks first?

Treasuries, gold can easily touch 2000 if this "fear" goes on enough.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
August 08, 2011, 12:27:39 AM
#1
one is the antithesis of the other.  both can't go up together for very long. which one cracks first?
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