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newbie
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January 23, 2014, 12:53:21 PM
#23
A period of stability is justification for the previous growth. Its a self-corrective process that evaluates all the factors that make up the market, including manipulation. People are throwing out so many theories and explanations to why its correcting or whether its a form of manipulation. That is all too unnecessarily complicated and narrow minded, and by doing so you're missing the big picture. It's as simple as if the price deserves to be where its at, then it'll stay; if not, it will correct itself until it finds its stability. Thats it. No fancy TA or theories. However, thats under the assumption that the status quo stays the same. There was manipulation back then and it will still be there, so its irrelevant.

This doesn't mean its an end to volatility, but it will be less likely now that the market knows its range. As both price and time move away from this range, the less reliable it will be, which in that case the whole cycle starts again and reevaluates.

It's such a simple and straightforward concept, but because of the volatility we've seen, its hard to step back far enough to grasp that the market is not China or Houbi; its this forum, its every currency pair  linked directly or indirectly, including alt coins. Hell thats still probably looking at it too narrow minded, its shit that humans don't and probably never will be able to understand. To put into perspective, if bitcoin was earth, then the market is the whole universe. Thinking in terms of the solar system or even the galaxy would be greatly underestimating it. Why bother trying to figure it out? Its a waste of time, let it do its shit and it'll return to the bitcoin world as we currently picture it as.

EDIT: For that universe analogy, thats assuming the universe is the all encompassing entity for all of existence. However, its the all encompassing entity that we humans have acknowledged. Mind=Self Blown
hero member
Activity: 715
Merit: 500
January 23, 2014, 12:48:36 PM
#22
If it stabilized now at $10B market cap then bitcoin pretty much failed and did not get the adoption that it deserves

Bitcoin's been stable for less than a month. If it floats in this tight range for more than a year, then we can assume it's on its way to being stable.
legendary
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dafar consulting
January 23, 2014, 10:50:28 AM
#21
If it stabilized now at $10B market cap then bitcoin pretty much failed and did not get the adoption that it deserves
hero member
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January 23, 2014, 08:14:01 AM
#20
You need a huge market cap for truly stable prices à la forex. The current BTC/LTC stability is just a temporary farce, volatility will be back soon.
hero member
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January 23, 2014, 08:05:07 AM
#19
Litecoin has also been stable this is a good thing.
member
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January 23, 2014, 07:25:38 AM
#18
Another reason stability is good is because less time is spent on price speculation which leaves more time to focus on innovating and building Bitcoin businesses/infrastructure.
hero member
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January 22, 2014, 09:11:54 PM
#17
Volatility will be back in the next days.

I hope so!

Anyway, merchants can use BitPay or Coinbase for a 1% fee (much cheaper than traditional payment processing service fees) to get guaranteed USD prices for their products/ services. Volatility is really more of a concern for consumers than for merchants who understand their options.
full member
Activity: 167
Merit: 100
January 22, 2014, 09:01:25 PM
#16
I do not think that it has "settled", but I believe that volatility will be lower in the future than it was so far.

hmm..
newbie
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December 18, 2011, 05:47:41 PM
#15
Stable price is not good, it means no more people adopt bitcoin.

A such low price, means that few ppl use it.

Funny, I think the exact opposite.

Why would a merchant want to adopt bitcoins if the price was volatile? Too risky.

Think about it...
If you buy $30 sunglasses with 10 bitcoins today, and then bitcoin lost $1 in value the next day, merchant only has $20 nopw and lost all his profit.
If bitcoin will be adopted by more people, it's price WILL increase, because more people will buy btc for their needs

So that stability is only temporary

When people say "volatility is bad for merchants", they actually mean "price drops are bad for merchants".

Volatility can be managed by hedging, so it's not detrimental to merchants.
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1008
If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
December 18, 2011, 05:29:01 PM
#14
Stable price is not good, it means no more people adopt bitcoin.

A such low price, means that few ppl use it.

Funny, I think the exact opposite.

Why would a merchant want to adopt bitcoins if the price was volatile? Too risky.

Think about it...
If you buy $30 sunglasses with 10 bitcoins today, and then bitcoin lost $1 in value the next day, merchant only has $20 nopw and lost all his profit.
If bitcoin will be adopted by more people, it's price WILL increase, because more people will buy btc for their needs

So that stability is only temporary
legendary
Activity: 2198
Merit: 1311
December 18, 2011, 04:40:20 PM
#13
Stable price is not good, it means no more people adopt bitcoin.

A such low price, means that few ppl use it.

Funny, I think the exact opposite.

Why would a merchant want to adopt bitcoins if the price was volatile? Too risky.

Think about it...
If you buy $30 sunglasses with 10 bitcoins today, and then bitcoin lost $1 in value the next day, merchant only has $20 nopw and lost all his profit.


the market is very young... and very volatile, but this will change, once things like derivatives are introduced, volatility will be meaningless to merchants

besides most merchants are more then willing to take a 10% hit if it means more customers

you don't see any merchant charging more when you use VISA and not cash.

I totally agree, with you.  I was just pointing out that a stable price, like what we have been experiencing the last few weeks, would make merchants more inclined to trust BTC more as a valid currency.

agreed.

what a merchent would like to see, would be stable prices with high volume.

if we could see a 50k coin DUMP that would be quickly picked up and not effect price much. that would be cool


We did see that not too long ago.  There was a 40,000BTC bid at 2.9.  It got sold into.  There was a brief fall below 2.9 and then it quickly bounced back up.  It was impressive, and that was one of the events that persuaded me to be a bit less bearish, at least for the short term.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1037
Trusted Bitcoiner
December 18, 2011, 04:35:47 PM
#12
Stable price is not good, it means no more people adopt bitcoin.

A such low price, means that few ppl use it.

Funny, I think the exact opposite.

Why would a merchant want to adopt bitcoins if the price was volatile? Too risky.

Think about it...
If you buy $30 sunglasses with 10 bitcoins today, and then bitcoin lost $1 in value the next day, merchant only has $20 nopw and lost all his profit.


the market is very young... and very volatile, but this will change, once things like derivatives are introduced, volatility will be meaningless to merchants

besides most merchants are more then willing to take a 10% hit if it means more customers

you don't see any merchant charging more when you use VISA and not cash.

I totally agree, with you.  I was just pointing out that a stable price, like what we have been experiencing the last few weeks, would make merchants more inclined to trust BTC more as a valid currency.

agreed.

what a merchent would like to see, would be stable prices with high volume.

if we could see a 50k coin DUMP that would be quickly picked up and not effect price much. that would be cool
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
December 18, 2011, 03:41:35 PM
#11
Stable price is not good, it means no more people adopt bitcoin.

A such low price, means that few ppl use it.

Funny, I think the exact opposite.

Why would a merchant want to adopt bitcoins if the price was volatile? Too risky.

Think about it...
If you buy $30 sunglasses with 10 bitcoins today, and then bitcoin lost $1 in value the next day, merchant only has $20 nopw and lost all his profit.


the market is very young... and very volatile, but this will change, once things like derivatives are introduced, volatility will be meaningless to merchants

besides most merchants are more then willing to take a 10% hit if it means more customers

you don't see any merchant charging more when you use VISA and not cash.

I totally agree, with you.  I was just pointing out that a stable price, like what we have been experiencing the last few weeks, would make merchants more inclined to trust BTC more as a valid currency.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1037
Trusted Bitcoiner
December 18, 2011, 03:36:06 PM
#10
Stable price is not good, it means no more people adopt bitcoin.

A such low price, means that few ppl use it.

Funny, I think the exact opposite.

Why would a merchant want to adopt bitcoins if the price was volatile? Too risky.

Think about it...
If you buy $30 sunglasses with 10 bitcoins today, and then bitcoin lost $1 in value the next day, merchant only has $20 nopw and lost all his profit.


the market is very young... and very volatile, but this will change, once things like derivatives are introduced, volatility will be meaningless to merchants

besides most merchants are more then willing to take a 10% hit if it means more customers

you don't see any merchant charging more when you use VISA and not cash.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1037
Trusted Bitcoiner
December 18, 2011, 03:29:00 PM
#9
Stable price is not good, it means no more people adopt bitcoin.

A such low price, means that few ppl use it.

doesn't it mean that there is adequate demand for the 7200 coins per day being printed right now, and that people in fact ARE adopting bitcoin?


a good % of the 7,200 coins that are "printed" each day are not sold on the market right away, (some might be waiting years)
but in any case, almost always there is over 10,000 coins traded pre day.
so ya their is in fact more and more people adopting bitcoin

and with the projects like bitcoindeals.com - i think we'll start seeing more and more people really using bitcoin for gift buying and stuff

lets look at how facebook adoption came about



just wait in a few years their will be 4billion coins traded daily  
and not one will be traded of USD Wink

 
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
December 18, 2011, 03:18:35 PM
#8
Stable price is not good, it means no more people adopt bitcoin.

A such low price, means that few ppl use it.

Funny, I think the exact opposite.

Why would a merchant want to adopt bitcoins if the price was volatile? Too risky.

Think about it...
If you buy $30 sunglasses with 10 bitcoins today, and then bitcoin lost $1 in value the next day, merchant only has $20 nopw and lost all his profit.
hero member
Activity: 667
Merit: 500
December 18, 2011, 02:51:37 PM
#7
Stable price is not good, it means no more people adopt bitcoin.

A such low price, means that few ppl use it.

doesn't it mean that there is adequate demand for the 7200 coins per day being printed right now, and that people in fact ARE adopting bitcoin?

legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1008
If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
December 18, 2011, 02:04:14 PM
#6
Stable price is not good, it means no more people adopt bitcoin.

A such low price, means that few ppl use it.
legendary
Activity: 2198
Merit: 1311
December 18, 2011, 02:00:38 PM
#5
You only notice the volatility if you think that xBTC are worth xUSD/EUR.

Just think that xBTC=xBTC and there is no volatility. It's as simple as that.

But why would I think like that?  For lots of people getting xBTC means giving somebody xUSD, and most people are concerned with at least preserving the purchasing power they started with when going from one to the other.
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
December 18, 2011, 01:52:46 PM
#4
You only notice the volatility if you think that xBTC are worth xUSD/EUR.

Just think that xBTC=xBTC and there is no volatility. It's as simple as that.
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