Why are mod not locking long threads on the gambling board discussion anymore

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Quote from: Halab on June 13, 2024, 12:35:29 PM

Quote from: Lucius on June 13, 2024, 10:41:11 AM

so I wonder why the admin hasn't done it so far - because it's not something technically demanding.

Do a search on a Theymos post in Meta containing "can of worms" and you will see that he's looked into that but it's more complicated than it looks.
And if I remember correctly, I read in the Staff section that Theymos has reworked the reports page, so it's not really standard any more. (This info isn't 100% accurate, I must have read it a long time ago).
Maybe one day PowerGlove (or someone else) will come up with a patch

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Thanks for the reminder, it was a long time ago - it seems that this job is, if not at the bottom of the list of priorities, then somewhere at the very bottom. The post you are talking about is from 2019, and as things stand, some of our old members never got to receive their deserved badges (I mean those who left the forum in one way or another), and the question is how many of us will be here if something like that happens.

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Quote from: OgNasty on June 13, 2024, 04:48:24 PM

Why would you want to lock a thread that people are enjoying participating in? Would you rather for example that everyone posting their bets in the NBA gambling thread instead make a new thread every day with their bets? Or each person having their own gambling thread they restart after 5 pages? That would be lunacy.

I guess this should also come to case to case basis. If it’s all about NBA games, there would be a lot of observations and predictions that would come out every now and then so I don’t think locking this thread is preferable. However, if it’s about gambling addiction or somewhat related to, as long as the question or problem has given already a lot of various solutions, then I would say locking the thread in order to cut spamming would be more advisable. But in the end, it’s all on the moderator actually how he will handle the thread.

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I would by no means agree that a gambling thread should be closed after only 3 pages. Any particular game play is held in different places every day, I have even seen a 3 page discussion centered on one game play. If this is turned off then it will become very complicated as many threads will be created each day focusing on only one game. Why don't you think the Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion thread should be locked, where it is auto-updating every hour, if you feel the need to close it. Couldn't they have done this by combining the first update and the last update every 24 hours?

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Quote from: OgNasty on June 13, 2024, 04:48:24 PM

Why would you want to lock a thread that people are enjoying participating in? Would you rather for example that everyone posting their bets in the NBA gambling thread instead make a new thread every day with their bets? Or each person having their own gambling thread they restart after 5 pages? That would be lunacy.

Perhaps he was referring to Mega threads in gambling, 30+ pages of discussions and it seems that everyone is just repeating themselves or trying to post something base on their experiences recently.

But the rule of thumb here is that just report it to the moderator and see if they are going to take action or not.

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Quote from: _act_ on June 11, 2024, 07:04:00 AM

Some people will just enter the forum and read what someone on page 1 posted and quote it and what he will post at page 6 or 7 or more. What would have been posted repeatedly on page 1, 2, or 3. Some people will even be posting what they have posted before on another way.

Please after page 3, why not locking the thread again on gambling board? It may no be done for all threads, but moderators can easily see some threads to lock instead of repetitive posts.

Believe me, even on a single page thread or should I say 2 pages, many users wouldn’t go through all the proceeding comments in that thread. Why is that?
There is a possibility that you would have catch an interest from the very first line or paragraph you read and would like to air your views on it. It could even be a comment by someone but that’s how you keep the discussion going.

The gambling board remains somewhere you can truly discuss as, discussions there are often disjointed and continuous. Disjointed in the sense that, you get to talk about specific games, specific rules to the game, specific matches, specific approaches and all that. It’s continuous in the sense that, new facts or ways to argue the game arises as the discussion progresses.

Now, having to lock such thread only creates room for the next thread that, wouldn’t be talking about anything different but rather, would make even a previously discussed idea seem new. After all, it’s a new thread and that changes nothing. Hence, not doing nothing by not locking some really old and long threads is an effective way of doing something by not doing nothing.

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Why would you want to lock a thread that people are enjoying participating in? Would you rather for example that everyone posting their bets in the NBA gambling thread instead make a new thread every day with their bets? Or each person having their own gambling thread they restart after 5 pages? That would be lunacy.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 13, 2024, 03:59:08 PM

How about giving a temporary ban to the OP of each thread if his thread reaches 50 pages and still he has not locked it. Obviously, the ANN threads in gambling sections and sports discussion threads should be excluded from this rule.
Also, this can be applied to other sections too, including the Bitcoin discussion sections etc.

This is too harsh and it would never be implemented. The decision that a thread has run its course or not is somewhat subjective, so you can't dish out temporary bans because a user didn't lock their thread that's over 50 pages, what about users that are inactive. The forum runs in a very free way for its users, this goes against that.

I don't think there needs to be any rule regarding threads that are over so many pages, just report them to the moderators if you think it has been overrun by spammers and let the moderators decide.

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Quote from: xLays on June 13, 2024, 12:16:38 PM

After you posted this topic, several threads have been locked. I replied to or participated in the discussion on five of those threads that locked. Its better for this kind of thread to be locked rather than moved to off-topic, like a few weeks ago when some threads were posted in the gambling discussion are move to off topic board that results some of the signature participants didn't get paid because of that. (I'm not saying that because of moderator who moved the thread is the reason why some signature participants not get paid.) It's always because of the signature participants who posted on that topic.

Moving and locking the threads are two different things and should not be mix together. If a few of the gambling threads were moved to "off topic", that means that those topics were suitable in the gambling threads and moved. This does not matter if those threads had a few pages or many pages, they would be moved because they didn't belong there.

Now coming to locking the long gambling threads, I think this is not only the mods' responsibility but also the topic starter to check his threads and lock them if it has enough or too many replies. How about giving a temporary ban to the OP of each thread if his thread reaches 50 pages and still he has not locked it. Obviously, the ANN threads in gambling sections and sports discussion threads should be excluded from this rule.
Also, this can be applied to other sections too, including the Bitcoin discussion sections etc.

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Quote from: Lucius on June 11, 2024, 11:18:23 AM

If signature spam and shitposting is something that will keep this forum alive, then we should refrain from reports as often as possible - although realistically, compared to a few years ago, the number of reports is very low. It's not that there is no reason for reports, but it is obvious that many who actively did it got tired of the obvious fight with windmills.

There is nothing to get tired of. There are many people that are constantly reporting posts that are needed to be reported. What you can say is that some people were reporting the posts in the past but they are no more on this forum. But there are still some people that are still reporting posts that need to be reported. People that are reporting posts will likely keep doing that. If you have been reporting posts, do not be tired of it at all. It is exciting and makes this forum better.

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Quote from: Lucius on June 13, 2024, 10:41:11 AM

so I wonder why the admin hasn't done it so far - because it's not something technically demanding.

Do a search on a Theymos post in Meta containing "can of worms" and you will see that he's looked into that but it's more complicated than it looks.
And if I remember correctly, I read in the Staff section that Theymos has reworked the reports page, so it's not really standard any more. (This info isn't 100% accurate, I must have read it a long time ago).
Maybe one day PowerGlove (or someone else) will come up with a patch

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After you posted this topic, several threads have been locked. I replied to or participated in the discussion on five of those threads that locked. Its better for this kind of thread to be locked rather than moved to off-topic, like a few weeks ago when some threads were posted in the gambling discussion are move to off topic board that results some of the signature participants didn't get paid because of that. (I'm not saying that because of moderator who moved the thread is the reason why some signature participants not get paid.) It's always because of the signature participants who posted on that topic.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on June 13, 2024, 08:57:55 AM

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I think there should be some benefit for users reporting like badges that come with some special privileges etc as it's a thankless task and it's very rare we add new mods based on their reporting so that's another lack of incentive. Maybe we could even give some small BTC prizes to some of the most active reporters etc.

The majority agreed that badges would be something that would further motivate users to be more active when it comes to using the "report to moderator" button, so I wonder why the admin hasn't done it so far - because it's not something technically demanding. However, even if this happens, it should be done in a smart way so that it does not happen that some people start making hundreds of unnecessary reports a day in order to get badges as soon as possible. Also, the limit for getting such a badge should be high, at least 5000 good reports or maybe even more than that.

As for the BTC rewards, I feel that it can be very motivating, but when it comes to money, there will always be those who will try to abuse it, even if it means that they will put their alt farms into operation, create as much spam as possible and then report themselves.

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Quote from: Lucius on June 13, 2024, 05:33:37 AM

Quote from: hilariousandco on June 12, 2024, 02:59:48 PM

This isn't a rule. Threads are usually locked if they're reported and a mod deems them as run their course.

It seems that some members think that things on this forum take care of themselves, that is, that the moderators patrol the forum and delete posts, move/lock topics and ban bad users. If today we have less than 2000 reports per month, and a few years ago we had record months with almost 50 000 reports, then it is a little clearer why it seems to some that the moderators are not doing their job.

I think most mods will handle something if they come across it but staff only get paid for reports (with some other unknown factors involved) so if there's less reports coming in then spam is more likely to stay unless it gets reported. I barely browse the forum at all these days and tend to just stick to reports and the threads I frequent in my watch-list and I suppose that's probably true for many other mods. I think there should be some benefit for users reporting like badges that come with some special privileges etc as it's a thankless task and it's very rare we add new mods based on their reporting so that's another lack of incentive. Maybe we could even give some small BTC prizes to some of the most active reporters etc.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on June 12, 2024, 02:59:48 PM

This isn't a rule. Threads are usually locked if they're reported and a mod deems them as run their course.

It seems that some members think that things on this forum take care of themselves, that is, that the moderators patrol the forum and delete posts, move/lock topics and ban bad users. If today we have less than 2000 reports per month, and a few years ago we had record months with almost 50 000 reports, then it is a little clearer why it seems to some that the moderators are not doing their job.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on June 12, 2024, 02:59:48 PM

Quote from: _act_ on June 11, 2024, 07:04:00 AM

What I knew about gambling discussion board before was that if a thread is going more than 5 pages already, moderator will lock the thread. It was kind of fun at the time.

This isn't a rule. Threads are usually locked if they're reported and a mod deems them as run their course.

Thanks for clarification, I was about telling OP that what he mentioned wasn't a rule. I don't support the idea of locking a thread after the 5th page because some threads could still be relevant after some years. Besides, if threads are readily locked as proposed by OP, it will lead to more spam because spammers will tend to create more new threads when the one they discuss similar topics is locked.

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Quote from: _act_ on June 11, 2024, 07:04:00 AM

What I knew about gambling discussion board before was that if a thread is going more than 5 pages already, moderator will lock the thread. It was kind of fun at the time.

This isn't a rule. Threads are usually locked if they're reported and a mod deems them as run their course.

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Moderation on gambling board has always existed – of course moderator do it based on reports. Previously I have reported many posts on gambling board and also some topics that have to be closed when the case or topic creation goal has been achieved - but this is a tedious job despite the fact that this is part of the user contribution to the forum.

Unfortunately I can no longer access how many posts and threads on the gambling board I have reported and handled by moderators - that's because my reporting history has been lost.

There are a few consequences I can think of when you force moderators to lock topics that are more than 5 to 10 page:

Some users will create new topics whose discussions are not much different from the topics that have been locked.
More and more unimportant topics include made-up stories.

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Quote from: _act_ on June 11, 2024, 07:04:00 AM

Please after page 3, why not locking the thread again on gambling board?

I believe most of the posts on this forum are created at gambling board and if those threads are locked at just 3 pages then surely the number of posts will also reduce. It won't be helpful to stop spamming because the ones who spam will find an alternative way to do that.

The spammers will always be there no matter if a user's posts at that board get limited to just 5 per day because that's the board where most signature participants make posts as its mandatory for them and some of those participants will surely do spamming in order to increase their weekly payout.

I believe such step could limit the threads where users at page 4-10 could create some good and valuable posts and that's not going to be a useful step. I believe instead of locking a thread at page 3, a moderator should lock it at page 15 but only if needed, otherwise it's not a good step to lock a user's thread.

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The moderators are doing a great job with moderating the Gambling discussion board already because the locking of the thread may not generally originates from the page's getting up to 5 page's, because sometimes you see thread that is just getting to 3 or even first page getting locked, so regardless of how many pages the thread is if moderators fine it becoming spam intended it get locked at the very point.

We have some threads in the Gambling board that is already running into 100 pages or above and yet the discussions on that thread are all relevant on on the topics, we have almost 5 threads in that board that are running into hundreds of page's and not a spam fist ground.

So is all about the quality of the discussions going on on the thread that warrant it to remain open or get kicked.

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To behonest, I do agree that there are some topics that should be locked on the gambling board if such topics start to grow into long pages that could really contain lots of spamming comments. It doesn't necessarily mean that moderators should lock any topic that exceeds 5 pages; topics should be locked if spamming is continuous. Members here should learn to lock their topic after they have gotten satisfied with the level of knowledge they seek from it. I usually lock some of my topics when I know that there is really nothing to discuss again.

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