You can look at it from this angle, the managers get to read a selective set of users posts week by week so their style of posting can subconsciously get registered as a quality form of writing in their mind (taking into consideration we're what we read).
Let me make a point with this, as a merit source appointed for your local baord you intentionally or subconsciously send more merit to participate of your local board, same fate might occur if campaign managers are made sources by default. Currently the few mangers who're sources aren't pressured to merit their participants so they don't review their posts history with a mindset of meriting them but when managers get to be sources by default, that mindset of meriting their participants come into the picture because that was why they were made sources which might affect their judgement just as it affects some merit sources appointed to local boards.
Topic: Why arent REPUTABLE signature campaign managers merit sources by default? (Read 615 times)
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July 07, 2019, 12:55:07 AM
July 06, 2019, 08:52:44 PM
I think there is a possible conflict of interest, and therefore campaign managers should not be merit sources.
I don't see how that would be a conflict of interest: the campaign manager doesn't get anything out of meriting those posts.That's not great reasoning to pick a manager over another. The more you pay, the better participants you can get. Nothing else to it.
July 06, 2019, 06:34:22 PM
I think there is a possible conflict of interest, and therefore campaign managers should not be merit sources.
I don't see how that would be a conflict of interest: the campaign manager doesn't get anything out of meriting those posts.
July 06, 2019, 06:17:40 PM
Everyone who like to be a source has to follow the procedure, which is to apply.
Reputable signature campaign manager can also apply if they want and there is no exemption here, no such thing as automatic as we are all guided by rules of the forum.
Reputable signature campaign manager can also apply if they want and there is no exemption here, no such thing as automatic as we are all guided by rules of the forum.
July 06, 2019, 04:10:23 AM
Why not bounty managers?
Can you show me a bounty campaign that doesn't encourage spam? I don't think it exists, because a campaign won't get any exposure on the spam-infested altcoin boards if it doesn't join the spammers.As along as they meet the criteria requirement to be one.But its not deniable that altcoin board was filled with useless shit posts.
July 06, 2019, 03:29:16 AM
I think there is a possible conflict of interest, and therefore campaign managers should not be merit sources.
I don't see how that would be a conflict of interest: the campaign manager doesn't get anything out of meriting those posts.I once read all posts made by ChipMixer participants in 2 weeks, I sent somewhere around 200 Merit to those posts. If a campaign manager takes the time to actually check the posts, it's very little additional effort to also Merit the posts that are worth it.
Why not bounty managers?
Can you show me a bounty campaign that doesn't encourage spam? I don't think it exists, because a campaign won't get any exposure on the spam-infested altcoin boards if it doesn't join the spammers. July 06, 2019, 02:16:45 AM
I believed in what @suchmoon says, those campaign managers(paying btc per week, not altcoins)can do apply merit source if they want just what as other merit sources do. If they aren't busy managing campaign they can easily spot users had a good post and deserving to be merited. But that is another workload for them, they can't handle(checking participants posts is not easy), let our merit sources do their works and that's their responsibility.
Why not bounty managers? Anyone in this forum has the right to apply to be a merit source and the theymos is the only person who can decide whether that person is worthy to be a merit source or not,not that type of bounty he was managing. 
July 05, 2019, 10:34:38 PM
I believed in what @suchmoon says, those campaign managers(paying btc per week, not altcoins)can do apply merit source if they want just what as other merit sources do. If they aren't busy managing campaign they can easily spot users had a good post and deserving to be merited. But that is another workload for them, they can't handle(checking participants posts is not easy), let our merit sources do their works and that's their responsibility.
July 05, 2019, 10:15:11 PM
Campaign managers can apply too to become a merit source if they want but I think it they don't have time searching merit worthy posts because of the campaigns they are managing.
Campaign managers are just a normal users here so they can't be merit sources by default.
Campaign managers are just a normal users here so they can't be merit sources by default.
July 05, 2019, 07:11:55 PM
Does he think that campaign managers would start handing out merits to posts made in their campaigns? I'm not sure that would happen, nor do I think it would really be a good thing.
Yeah, maybe,... But, AFAIK, CMs wouldn't mind if they become a Source by default, but to apply as a Source I don't think they would do that with their busy time, in fact that would be just another responsibility for them...
July 05, 2019, 05:36:10 PM
I am pretty sure all of the reputed managers are merit sources: Darkstar, yahoo, lauda, Hhampuz, Hilariousetc/andco, OgNasty, LoyceV etc etc Not all of them were merit sources at the beginning of the system but they were added relatively sooner. And almost all of them have a relatively big sMerit source.
So what is your point? Name one reputed manager who isn't a merit source.
Bah, dont worry about merit sources, they will come and go. Its not a big problem. Go watch Stranger Things S03. Issa pretty gooddd.
I an not a merit source, nor do I wish to be. Every little thing that a reputed user is a part of grows the target on their back. Examples include Campaign Manager, DT 1 or 2, Merit source, and even Staff. 8 million users all worried about what time you take a piss during the day. Look at the reputation section and you can see some users requesting to be off DT. So what is your point? Name one reputed manager who isn't a merit source.
Bah, dont worry about merit sources, they will come and go. Its not a big problem. Go watch Stranger Things S03. Issa pretty gooddd.
Not that I cannot handle it or anything, but it's more of a i'd rather not have more duties thrust upon me that are definitely thankless.
July 05, 2019, 04:54:43 PM
I am pretty sure all of the reputed managers are merit sources: Darkstar, yahoo, lauda, Hhampuz, Hilariousetc/andco, OgNasty, LoyceV etc etc Not all of them were merit sources at the beginning of the system but they were added relatively sooner. And almost all of them have a relatively big sMerit source.
So what is your point? Name one reputed manager who isn't a merit source.
Bah, dont worry about merit sources, they will come and go. Its not a big problem. Go watch Stranger Things S03. Issa pretty gooddd.
But yeah,I have seen the amount of shit you guys go through, I remember how much shit people were talking about you when you delayed payments(?) for one of your campaigns because you went out to get drunk for once. There are some real shitheads here that have brains of a demogorgon.
So what is your point? Name one reputed manager who isn't a merit source.
Bah, dont worry about merit sources, they will come and go. Its not a big problem. Go watch Stranger Things S03. Issa pretty gooddd.
I an not a merit source, nor do I wish to be. Every little thing that a reputed user is a part of grows the target on their back. Examples include Campaign Manager, DT 1 or 2, Merit source, and even Staff. 8 million users all worried about what time you take a piss during the day. Look at the reputation section and you can see some users requesting to be off DT.
Not that I cannot handle it or anything, but it's more of a i'd rather not have more duties thrust upon me that are definitely thankless.
Ah, my bad I didn't know. Not that I cannot handle it or anything, but it's more of a i'd rather not have more duties thrust upon me that are definitely thankless.
But yeah,I have seen the amount of shit you guys go through, I remember how much shit people were talking about you when you delayed payments(?) for one of your campaigns because you went out to get drunk for once. There are some real shitheads here that have brains of a demogorgon.
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July 05, 2019, 04:19:01 PM
They shouldn't be merit sources by default because if they were, a possible message the forum will be passing on to her users is, "Join a signature campaign so you can easily get merited at the same time get paid for posting on the forum" but since that's not the case the message now is the easiest way to get merited is by engaging in quality discussion irrespective of whether you're in a campaign or not.
Having signature managers as sources by default would had tied earning of merits mainly to signatures campaign which will result to what Jet cash just said, " possible conflict of interest" and would had also increase the level of obsession the more by users to join a signature campaign which will just turn the forum into something else.
Having signature managers as sources by default would had tied earning of merits mainly to signatures campaign which will result to what Jet cash just said, " possible conflict of interest" and would had also increase the level of obsession the more by users to join a signature campaign which will just turn the forum into something else.
July 05, 2019, 03:08:49 PM
Merit, trust, quality posts, etc. All subjective bullshit on this forum.
July 05, 2019, 02:39:51 PM
I think there is a possible conflict of interest, and therefore campaign managers should not be merit sources.
July 05, 2019, 12:28:29 PM
There are some main characteristics to apply as a merit source:
- Good reputation & contributions.
- Actively use the forum in some boards.
- Actively spread their sendable merits to diversifying forum users.
Who can satisfy (at least they feel they satisfy those requirements), can make their merit source applications, and wait for months to know results.
I observe so many merit source applications, and most of them took months to be accepted. In my observation, I don't know which application rejected or not, I only know when applications accepted and applicants became merit sources.
Recent months, there are more new merit sources for local boards.
- Good reputation & contributions.
- Actively use the forum in some boards.
- Actively spread their sendable merits to diversifying forum users.
Who can satisfy (at least they feel they satisfy those requirements), can make their merit source applications, and wait for months to know results.
I observe so many merit source applications, and most of them took months to be accepted. In my observation, I don't know which application rejected or not, I only know when applications accepted and applicants became merit sources.
Recent months, there are more new merit sources for local boards.
July 05, 2019, 11:57:44 AM
Like they said they can apply for merit source.
If they'd be by default merits source, a lot of users will be applying for signature campaign manager soon. Some will try to an extent create their own coin just to distribute their tokens by becoming one of the signature campaign manager and merit source at the same time to send merits to all their alts.
July 05, 2019, 11:42:16 AM
As already stated campaign managers can apply like anyone else and I'm sure if they're respected amongst the community then they will get a lot of vouches or they will be made on eventually if they prove their worth here, but there are campaign managers who come out of nowhere and aren't necessarily trusted, so this is why they should be taken on a case by case basis so there's no possibility of abuse by giving access by default. I think theymos should probably delegate some of the responsibility of choosing merit sources by maybe granting some mods the power to allocate them so they can be made more frequently and without having to pester him about it. I don't know how often theymos looks into the applications but there seems to be a few cases lingering around in Meta that should probably be granted. There is a definite lack of merit sources and it's still fairly had for a fairly decent poster to get a significant amount of merit to move up the ranks fairly swiftly so this would help.
July 05, 2019, 11:39:49 AM
Why they should be? So, you want to make campaign managers merit sources even if they don't weant. It doesn't sounds good. In general, campaign managers are just regular forum members and they can become merit sources if they want in the same way like everyone here - they should make Merit source application on Meta and wait for theymos decision.
I think that even not all staff members are merit sources (I can't 100% guarantee for this, but I got such impression.
I think that even not all staff members are merit sources (I can't 100% guarantee for this, but I got such impression.
July 05, 2019, 09:29:48 AM
The key word I think is INTEREST, the reputable campaign managers would have to be interested in becoming merit sources and make an application to that effect.
I can think of a few top managers who could fit in, but they'd have to be ready to take out their time to look for meritable posts across the various general boards while keeping up with a target.
All those who hold any position on the forum are viewed as volunteers, so making someone anything by default in unlikely.
I can think of a few top managers who could fit in, but they'd have to be ready to take out their time to look for meritable posts across the various general boards while keeping up with a target.
All those who hold any position on the forum are viewed as volunteers, so making someone anything by default in unlikely.
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