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Topic: Why Bcash will die in 2018 and Bitcoin will be even more valuable - page 3. (Read 889 times)

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Great article, thanks for supporting the real Bitcoin, and letting people know about scam Bcash.
Bcash is a coin of no striking character and basically they are copying the idea of ​​another coin, so Bcash can disappear completely. Bitcoin is well on the rise with the crypto market, and I think that January 2018 is the time when bitcoin and altcoin grow well as investors return after the New Year holiday.
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Why has it got to be "either/or", why can't they co-exist?

Let me make it clear. I don't 'want' bcash to die but they have nothing else going for them. They cloned an altcoin with the express intent to FUD and attack Bitcoin. Their only spiel is "we have low fee transactions", which every single altcoin out there does. None of them have a network to speak of.

Until Lightning gets launched, they are going to keep rinsing and repeating the dose of attacking the network with spam transactions, manipulating hashrate around difficulty retarget periods and highlighting the mempool.

All of that notwishstanding, simple question. Why do we even need a centralized blockchain anyway?

Yes, your argument is reasonable. But when will the Lightning be launched? Right now even with a Segwit address on Nano Ledger, which is supposed to be "cheap", the fees are unbarebly high.
sr. member
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To be honest the reason behind of this situation is Bitcoin cash loses it financial stability in the world trade market unlike bitcoin that continuously waving its name in the industry and shows that they are always the number one and never be replace by other companies.
newbie
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This is not a propaganda, just calling it like it is for the sake of people who are less informed.

I'll leave propaganda to the likes of Ver who, 6 months before Mt Gox went bust, shamelessly took a payment to promote it and vouch for its solvency. The guy is a felon and shill-monger, plain and simple, always has been.

As for Jihan, the only reason he announced Bcash fork is to centralize the Bitcoin name and become the Chairman Mao (Zedong) of Bitcoin. I'm not even going to waste my breath talking about the conman, fake Satoshi, Craig Wright.

Sometimes, when calling out propagandists, you tend to come across as promoting one yourself. This is unavoidable but a spade is a spade.

Dissension, splits motivated by greed inevitably leads to the proverbial tragedy of the commons. We either all win or we all lose.

To the newbies - Don't listen to people who try to drive a wedge between the community to line their own pockets.

There are so many altcoins out there now and each of them has such outstanding, unique, non-cloned value proposition. Some of them are even energy-efficient which is a long-term threat they pose Bitcoin if Bitcoin doesn't adapt and evolve. Sure, a lot of them were developed from bitcoin source code but NONE of them shamelessly jack the Bitcoin name.

Bcash is a minority miner centralized coin with majority control in Bitmain's hands. The ONLY 'value proposition' they have is, "Bitcoin is no longer good for payments due to high fee and chock-full mempool."

I'm sorry but that ain't good enough. Before Bitcoin became so big, it was the same with no fees and fast transactions. You can't say "we're the future because we're where Bitcoin was 5 years ago."

Bcash will run into the same problems if the network ever gets as big as Bitcoin's, which it never will. NOBODY except Bitcoin has run into Bitcoin's problems because they're millions of miles away from having a network as big.

Bitcoin has SegWit which makes off-chain scaling(Lightning Network) with ZERO fees and instant transactions possible, Bcash has no SegWit. Bcash has nothing original going and never will. They even said they would just predictably copy Bitcoin's SegWit and implement off-chain scaling themselves after forking the chain supposedly IN OPPOSITION to SegWit. How ironical and self-contradicting is that?

After Lightning goes live on Bitcoin, the likes of Ethereum, IOTA, Litecoin, ADA etc. will still have their own original chains with unique value propositions but Bcash's only 'untested' claim to usefulness will be redundant.

A word to the wise...

Unless you are a sock puppet, which I don't really blame anyone for being, just don't get sucker punched by baleful propaganda orchestrated by individuals motivated solely by self-interest.

Being a sheep is worse than being a sock puppet.



Bitcoin Judas - https://youtu.be/UP1YsMlrfF0

The Real Satoshi - https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4/status/943919997067264000

what does bitcoin judas mean? is it something positive?

regards


No. The video shows the face of Bcash, who defected the real bitcoin to pump and profit from a centralized clone coin, promoting and vouching for the solvency of a shady exchange which went bankrupt in 2014, few months after the video was made.

Put simply, Bcash is a blatant attempt to centralize Bitcoin by chinese mining cartel, Bitmain. Anyone with even the slightest understanding of how Bitcoin works can see it but the target for Bcash are newbies who are vulnerable and easily manipulated.
The promise of bitcoin is fast, cheap, anonymous, safe transactions, if bitcoin core was delivering on the promise bitcoin cash would not have a chance
member
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This is not a propaganda, just calling it like it is for the sake of people who are less informed.

I'll leave propaganda to the likes of Ver who, 6 months before Mt Gox went bust, shamelessly took a payment to promote it and vouch for its solvency. The guy is a felon and shill-monger, plain and simple, always has been.

As for Jihan, the only reason he announced Bcash fork is to centralize the Bitcoin name and become the Chairman Mao (Zedong) of Bitcoin. I'm not even going to waste my breath talking about the conman, fake Satoshi, Craig Wright.

Sometimes, when calling out propagandists, you tend to come across as promoting one yourself. This is unavoidable but a spade is a spade.

Dissension, splits motivated by greed inevitably leads to the proverbial tragedy of the commons. We either all win or we all lose.

To the newbies - Don't listen to people who try to drive a wedge between the community to line their own pockets.

There are so many altcoins out there now and each of them has such outstanding, unique, non-cloned value proposition. Some of them are even energy-efficient which is a long-term threat they pose Bitcoin if Bitcoin doesn't adapt and evolve. Sure, a lot of them were developed from bitcoin source code but NONE of them shamelessly jack the Bitcoin name.

Bcash is a minority miner centralized coin with majority control in Bitmain's hands. The ONLY 'value proposition' they have is, "Bitcoin is no longer good for payments due to high fee and chock-full mempool."

I'm sorry but that ain't good enough. Before Bitcoin became so big, it was the same with no fees and fast transactions. You can't say "we're the future because we're where Bitcoin was 5 years ago."

Bcash will run into the same problems if the network ever gets as big as Bitcoin's, which it never will. NOBODY except Bitcoin has run into Bitcoin's problems because they're millions of miles away from having a network as big.

Bitcoin has SegWit which makes off-chain scaling(Lightning Network) with ZERO fees and instant transactions possible, Bcash has no SegWit. Bcash has nothing original going and never will. They even said they would just predictably copy Bitcoin's SegWit and implement off-chain scaling themselves after forking the chain supposedly IN OPPOSITION to SegWit. How ironical and self-contradicting is that?

After Lightning goes live on Bitcoin, the likes of Ethereum, IOTA, Litecoin, ADA etc. will still have their own original chains with unique value propositions but Bcash's only 'untested' claim to usefulness will be redundant.

A word to the wise...

Unless you are a sock puppet, which I don't really blame anyone for being, just don't get sucker punched by baleful propaganda orchestrated by individuals motivated solely by self-interest.

Being a sheep is worse than being a sock puppet.



Bitcoin Judas - https://youtu.be/UP1YsMlrfF0

The Real Satoshi - https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4/status/943919997067264000

what does bitcoin judas mean? is it something positive?

regards


No. The video shows the face of Bcash, who defected the real bitcoin to pump and profit from a centralized clone coin, promoting and vouching for the solvency of a shady exchange which went bankrupt in 2014, few months after the video was made.

Put simply, Bcash is a blatant attempt to centralize Bitcoin by chinese mining cartel, Bitmain. Anyone with even the slightest understanding of how Bitcoin works can see it but the target for Bcash are newbies who are vulnerable and easily manipulated.
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OP said it pretty much perfectly, Bitcoin cash is nothing but a poor copy and only enjoys success right now because it's not fully popular. It has nothing unique or revolutionary. I look forward to the day that bitcoin finally gets rid of bitcoin cash for good, I just hope that people then stop to listen to such people and they fade in to obscurity.
sr. member
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This is not a propaganda, just calling it like it is for the sake of people who are less informed.

I'll leave propaganda to the likes of Ver who, 6 months before Mt Gox went bust, shamelessly took a payment to promote it and vouch for its solvency. The guy is a felon and shill-monger, plain and simple, always has been.

As for Jihan, the only reason he announced Bcash fork is to centralize the Bitcoin name and become the Chairman Mao (Zedong) of Bitcoin. I'm not even going to waste my breath talking about the conman, fake Satoshi, Craig Wright.

Sometimes, when calling out propagandists, you tend to come across as promoting one yourself. This is unavoidable but a spade is a spade.

Dissension, splits motivated by greed inevitably leads to the proverbial tragedy of the commons. We either all win or we all lose.

To the newbies - Don't listen to people who try to drive a wedge between the community to line their own pockets.

There are so many altcoins out there now and each of them has such outstanding, unique, non-cloned value proposition. Some of them are even energy-efficient which is a long-term threat they pose Bitcoin if Bitcoin doesn't adapt and evolve. Sure, a lot of them were developed from bitcoin source code but NONE of them shamelessly jack the Bitcoin name.

Bcash is a minority miner centralized coin with majority control in Bitmain's hands. The ONLY 'value proposition' they have is, "Bitcoin is no longer good for payments due to high fee and chock-full mempool."

I'm sorry but that ain't good enough. Before Bitcoin became so big, it was the same with no fees and fast transactions. You can't say "we're the future because we're where Bitcoin was 5 years ago."

Bcash will run into the same problems if the network ever gets as big as Bitcoin's, which it never will. NOBODY except Bitcoin has run into Bitcoin's problems because they're millions of miles away from having a network as big.

Bitcoin has SegWit which makes off-chain scaling(Lightning Network) with ZERO fees and instant transactions possible, Bcash has no SegWit. Bcash has nothing original going and never will. They even said they would just predictably copy Bitcoin's SegWit and implement off-chain scaling themselves after forking the chain supposedly IN OPPOSITION to SegWit. How ironical and self-contradicting is that?

After Lightning goes live on Bitcoin, the likes of Ethereum, IOTA, Litecoin, ADA etc. will still have their own original chains with unique value propositions but Bcash's only 'untested' claim to usefulness will be redundant.

A word to the wise...

Unless you are a sock puppet, which I don't really blame anyone for being, just don't get sucker punched by baleful propaganda orchestrated by individuals motivated solely by self-interest.

Being a sheep is worse than being a sock puppet.



Bitcoin Judas - https://youtu.be/UP1YsMlrfF0

The Real Satoshi - https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4/status/943919997067264000

what does bitcoin judas mean? is it something positive?

regards
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I see almost impossible that Bcash will die in 2018, I even think that both would be more valuable in 2018. It´s true what you are saying about Bcash and BTC, but for these reasons that you mentioned, both will coexist. BTC is a great coin as everyone knows but with high fees and Bcash is not so innovative but has low fees and great supporters. It would be interesting to see if an altcoin could compete against them.
legendary
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Say whatever you want, but Bitcoin Cash is here to stay. The Core has ignored the scaling issues for so long, and even sabotaged attempts to resolve it (such as SegWit2X and Lightning network). A few days back, the transaction fee needed for instant confirmation was close to 1,200 Sat/Byte. You will not achieve anything by spreading FUD about BCH. A better option would be to concentrate on the issues facing BTC right now.
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But in reality there is no true bitcoin everybody can do their forks as we see now that forks are frequent. Its the community there that separates them from others because you have people that can't handle cost and slow transactions - in my opinion bitcoin should at least provide temporary solution because LN is slow to implement, not because it is some new high tech but because of companies and people don't dividing enough time to make it happen and make it right.


Spot on ... the necessity is NOW, by 2018 some countries might be already dead economically, they can't wait for LN, their economy won't be on hold to allow programmers to take their time!

I think Bitcoin developers should take a humility bath and think differently, the interview I saw with Roger is a display of arrogance and stupidity. Like him or not (I hate the way he markets bitcoin cash) he raised good points and arguments being always respectful while the other guy spent all hour trolling him and changing topic without any real argument. In that case, he had all the reason to show the finger to someone that to me looked like a disrespectful kid "I can't stop calling it Bcah because it's in me" ... are you serious? and you are supposed to be a leader in the project that is changing the world?
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Great article, thanks for supporting the real Bitcoin, and letting people know about scam Bcash.
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It has been a strong feeling that BCH is controlled by large funds. And before the arrival of the pre - dug, this is not acceptable. In addition, there are many exchanges that support BCH trading, so it won't die so quickly in 2018, and it should shrink the total value quickly.
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Bitcoin cash has certain advantages over the original bitcoin, associated with some of its improvements. Whether it is centralized, time will tell and the market will be appreciated. As long as the price of cash in cash is raised to almost $ 3,000, it is a real proof of its value and community support. I think that the bitcoins must be competitive with each other and develop mutually.
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Hi guys,

I am fairly certain that in a couple of months Bcash will be worth much more that its current value! In the long term I really don't care, but for sure bcash will thrive in 2018.

Stop with calling it Bcash, Roger will be offended and might show you middle finger. Lets put joke a side huh, I believe it will exist in 2018, because some influential people are behind it. We have conflict in our opinion and it is normal: for me personally everything that bitcoin cash offers differently is what they market transaction speed and transaction fees. By looking to many alts we can see that all of them offer faster confirmation time and fees compared to bitcoin. Even bitcoin cash will need to scale in coming years at one point if they get mainstream adoption - I guess they will continue to raise blocks in the long run.

However main thing that they have as an advantage over other altcoins is that they are forked as better version of bitcoin. Giving holders the chance to have both coins puts them in better place since if you had bitcoin you had bitcoin cash to play with, how cool is that. Plus having bitcoin in their name and calling it "real" , "true" bitcoin when they advertise it.

But in reality there is no true bitcoin everybody can do their forks as we see now that forks are frequent. Its the community there that separates them from others because you have people that can't handle cost and slow transactions - in my opinion bitcoin should at least provide temporary solution because LN is slow to implement, not because it is some new high tech but because of companies and people don't dividing enough time to make it happen and make it right.

member
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Hi guys,

I am fairly certain that in a couple of months Bcash will be worth much more that its current value! In the long term I really don't care, but for sure bcash will thrive in 2018.
sr. member
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bcash has optimism in cryptocurrency, steps to sell BTC assets until sold and BCH development is an ambiguous runway's in its journey. they are very optimistic to replace the real money in the bank. while someonea looking for profit in cryptocurrency, BCH have a long breath.
legendary
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
 Cheesy nah bitcoin cash is going to probably dominate in 2018.  If you don't think it's at least a serious contender then you're getting misinformation.  Go to reddit.com/r/btc for the real uncensored discussion.
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The only reason Bitcoin Cash exists is the incompetence and arrogance of some developers.

There is 97% of the world who lives on  $1 a day because of the inflation of the currency of their corrupted country and bitcoin should be their freedom but looks like bitcoin is freedom only for the rich who can invest more than $10K.

Venezuela has 10'000% inflation this year, yes you saw it right ... ten thousand %! Do you think people would benefit from Bitcoin to protect themselves from a dictatorship and the hyperinflation? You bet you do but actually they cant, their salary is $50 a month (the ones who are lucky and next month would be probably $25) and how they are supposed to buy bitcoins if the fee is $20 per transaction?

I don't know who is right or who is not, I just know that if you don't live in US and you have a salary of $2000 a month is impossible to use bitcoin, if it was usable Bitcoin Cash would be crashed in seconds.

I hope instead of spending time with trolls and insulting people, on twitter or here, we can spend some time to review the vision if bitcoin and how to make it relevant not only for a rich country but especially for who is in need.
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As many people have already said, increasing the blocksize isn't the perfect solution. Even if we decided to do it, we would have to do the same thing again due to increasing Bitcoin popularity. Don't you think that 10 minutes between each block is not enough for microtransactions? Of course it isn't and that's why Lightning Network is one of the best solution we can introduce. Transactions are instant but quite complicated when you first hear how it works.
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Bitcoin cash will die during the next year, we all know that.
It has only been created to be a money grab for Roger and his friends from the mining pools, nothing more than that, otherwise, this coin is useless.


My thoughts are a bit different than you, its hard for it to die as there are some powerful people within bitcoin community that are backing it up. Plus they have their campaign again BTC in order to grab more people: Like telling that bitcoin cash is real bitcoin and that real one is run "by evil" people who don't want good for bitcoin. I laugh every time when I read their articles/ hear them talk about bitcoin.

On the other hand there were ETH and ETC split where forked part is now the leading one due to support of main devs, but BCH to overtake bitcoin is unlikely at least for now.

BCH have no value in the absence of BTC, and any trader will convert his BCH back to BTC when he gets enough
profit frofit from it because Bitcoin is the only trustworthy cryptocurrency.
BCH will die but not as soon as you expected, I don't think it will be in 2018 anyway.
Obviously, BCH has no future, because just increasing the block size to 4 Mb will not solve the scalability issue.

I think that they raised block size till like 8MB or I am wrong? Anyway it is a good temporary solution. I do believe that even BTC should raise block sizes at least like 1.5MB-2MB even in future when most people use LN there will be need to do on-chain transactions.
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