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Topic: Why bitcoin is in big trouble and is ultimately doomed! - page 5. (Read 13219 times)

newbie
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I have thought about this question for a long time, is bitcoin actually viable. It began as a curiosity, I was wondering how could a currency be totally peer to peer, totally trust-less, and after discovering Bitcoin I couldn't possibly see how it worked. I think looked and realized it wasn't actually a currency, it was more of a commodity, However, the problems with bitcoin are immense. The main problem I see with bitcoin is reliability and trust. The community is fragmented, or non-existent while still trying to persuade itself that it still exists. The majority of people keeping the price where it is, are essentially in it to profit in either the short-medium term and I expect that they have little care for ensuring the market is stable, or that bitcoin grows. The software is difficult to use, and seems to be designed by the kind of people who dont understand the typical financial types that will use bitcoin on a regular basis. Copying and pasting bitcoin public keys all day, is not going to work with anyone, the software needs to be designed to be user-friendly and perhaps even integrated with spreadsheet or accounting software. Also, the project, community and general Eco-system is not organized or managed very well at all. I dont expect bitcoin to even survive 6 months, at least not if you expect the coins to be worth anything or to be traded in any substantial amounts. That is my analysis over the years that I have been involved with the project, and I am sorry to say, many of you are probably wasting your time. I hope things do go well, I am just not optimistic.

Can somebody please tell me how the author of the below now spews the above?

I am interested in possibly acquiring a bitcoin loan of about 1000 BTC. I would pay back monthly with bitcoins. I am a trusted member of the community, and am active on the forums and IRC. Would anyone offer me the loan, at how much interest and with what conditions attached?

He sure the hell was optimistic when he wanted to borrow some bitcoins.

~Bruno~


No no no, that was the guy who hacked his account! The OP would never, ever scam anyone! He is just interested in a real, honest, non-biased discussion on why BITCOIN IS DOOOOOOOOMED!

I never got pass the OP before I posted the above. I see now from the second post that everyone was on top of this. Not sure what you're in reference to, but I believe the answer lies somewhere else in this thread.

~Bruno~
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1037
Trusted Bitcoiner
Uhm, I am sensing some negativity, I just wanted to start a discussion on Bitcoin.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
I have thought about this question for a long time, is bitcoin actually viable. It began as a curiosity, I was wondering how could a currency be totally peer to peer, totally trust-less, and after discovering Bitcoin I couldn't possibly see how it worked. I think looked and realized it wasn't actually a currency, it was more of a commodity, However, the problems with bitcoin are immense. The main problem I see with bitcoin is reliability and trust. The community is fragmented, or non-existent while still trying to persuade itself that it still exists. The majority of people keeping the price where it is, are essentially in it to profit in either the short-medium term and I expect that they have little care for ensuring the market is stable, or that bitcoin grows. The software is difficult to use, and seems to be designed by the kind of people who dont understand the typical financial types that will use bitcoin on a regular basis. Copying and pasting bitcoin public keys all day, is not going to work with anyone, the software needs to be designed to be user-friendly and perhaps even integrated with spreadsheet or accounting software. Also, the project, community and general Eco-system is not organized or managed very well at all. I dont expect bitcoin to even survive 6 months, at least not if you expect the coins to be worth anything or to be traded in any substantial amounts. That is my analysis over the years that I have been involved with the project, and I am sorry to say, many of you are probably wasting your time. I hope things do go well, I am just not optimistic.

Can somebody please tell me how the author of the below now spews the above?

I am interested in possibly acquiring a bitcoin loan of about 1000 BTC. I would pay back monthly with bitcoins. I am a trusted member of the community, and am active on the forums and IRC. Would anyone offer me the loan, at how much interest and with what conditions attached?


He sure the hell was optimistic when he wanted to borrow some bitcoins.

~Bruno~


No no no, that was the guy who hacked his account! The OP would never, ever scam anyone! He is just interested in a real, honest, non-biased discussion on why BITCOIN IS DOOOOOOOOMED!
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
I have thought about this question for a long time, is bitcoin actually viable. It began as a curiosity, I was wondering how could a currency be totally peer to peer, totally trust-less, and after discovering Bitcoin I couldn't possibly see how it worked. I think looked and realized it wasn't actually a currency, it was more of a commodity, However, the problems with bitcoin are immense. The main problem I see with bitcoin is reliability and trust. The community is fragmented, or non-existent while still trying to persuade itself that it still exists. The majority of people keeping the price where it is, are essentially in it to profit in either the short-medium term and I expect that they have little care for ensuring the market is stable, or that bitcoin grows. The software is difficult to use, and seems to be designed by the kind of people who dont understand the typical financial types that will use bitcoin on a regular basis. Copying and pasting bitcoin public keys all day, is not going to work with anyone, the software needs to be designed to be user-friendly and perhaps even integrated with spreadsheet or accounting software. Also, the project, community and general Eco-system is not organized or managed very well at all. I dont expect bitcoin to even survive 6 months, at least not if you expect the coins to be worth anything or to be traded in any substantial amounts. That is my analysis over the years that I have been involved with the project, and I am sorry to say, many of you are probably wasting your time. I hope things do go well, I am just not optimistic.

Can somebody please tell me how the author of the below now spews the above?

I am interested in possibly acquiring a bitcoin loan of about 1000 BTC. I would pay back monthly with bitcoins. I am a trusted member of the community, and am active on the forums and IRC. Would anyone offer me the loan, at how much interest and with what conditions attached?

He sure the hell was optimistic when he wanted to borrow some bitcoins.

~Bruno~
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 502
Suggest that OP do some research on older threads before posting.  The same arguments are made over and over.  Nothing new here.

^

Bitcoin is here to stay as long as the users wants them to be, just like someone stated, just like beaniebabys. Bitcoin is not doomed and are not in trouble at all. Those are my thoughts on this subject.

/end
legendary
Activity: 1304
Merit: 1015
Suggest that OP do some research on older threads before posting.  The same arguments are made over and over.  Nothing new here.
legendary
Activity: 1708
Merit: 1010
Uhm, I am sensing some negativity, I just wanted to start a discussion on Bitcoin.

Really?  I didn't get that at all.  You came into our house and took a crap on our kitchen table, so I would think that the responses that you've received so far have been relatively civil.
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
While that $2000 is most likely easy money for me, I don't want to take your money or humiliate you. I am just giving you a warning that you are treading in dangerous waters. Many people here are risking much higher sums than that every day. Whatever you want to take from this failed experiment, you should not put in any money that you cannot afford to lose!

Got it. So you have plenty of money to bet, and yet you still won't take the bet with me. I'm so shocked.

 

You should just bet some worthless bitcoins with him and leave the dollars out.
He'll have no problems with that, for sure Wink
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1227
Away on an extended break
Uhm, I am sensing some negativity, I just wanted to start a discussion on Bitcoin.
We are discussing. It's just that you're still stating A is not 1 in the equation 1+A=2, in an university calculus class.
Kindly give some opinions that is not proven to be wrong.

Stating "Why bitcoin is in big trouble and is ultimately doomed!" here without legible proof to back it up is like stating
'Why gold is in big trouble and is ultimately doomed!' in a economics forum without any proof.

TL;DR: you'll get trolled, and you deserve it.
legendary
Activity: 1008
Merit: 1023
Democracy is the original 51% attack
While that $2000 is most likely easy money for me, I don't want to take your money or humiliate you. I am just giving you a warning that you are treading in dangerous waters. Many people here are risking much higher sums than that every day. Whatever you want to take from this failed experiment, you should not put in any money that you cannot afford to lose!

Got it. So you have plenty of money to bet, and yet you still won't take the bet with me. I'm so shocked.

 
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
Uhm, I am sensing some negativity, I just wanted to start a discussion on Bitcoin.
Instead of trying to make the world come to you and explain it all in baby-talk, why not do some of your own original research?

rjk
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
1ngldh
Uhm, I am sensing some negativity, I just wanted to start a discussion on Bitcoin.
Instead of trying to make the world come to you and explain it all in baby-talk, why not do some of your own original research?
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
Uhm, I am sensing some negativity, I just wanted to start a discussion on Bitcoin.
hero member
Activity: 770
Merit: 502
Hmm, perhaps a few possibilities:

1. OP is high
2. OP is hacked, and hacker is posting on a different login session (unlikely)
3. OP is retarded, stupid, an idiot, or some combination of those
4. OP is pushing some kind of agenda (whose?)
5. OP is a scammer trying to raise his post count in order to become more legitimate to new users (also likely) before selling them stuff and running.
  5a. See how he never quotes anyone, so as to leave incriminating or opposing views out of his post history?
6. OP needs to get a life and come back in a few years

Choose your own adventure!

OP is probably just a poor kid trying to push LTC or just ignorant of facts and figures. I normally am happy to hear criticisms about Bitcoin (such as the lack of usage areas and so), and explain valid technical concerns (scalability, user friendly etc), but FUD and unfounded questions push me over the top.

Agreed, all above. ^
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1227
Away on an extended break
Hmm, perhaps a few possibilities:

1. OP is high
2. OP is hacked, and hacker is posting on a different login session (unlikely)
3. OP is retarded, stupid, an idiot, or some combination of those
4. OP is pushing some kind of agenda (whose?)
5. OP is a scammer trying to raise his post count in order to become more legitimate to new users (also likely) before selling them stuff and running.
  5a. See how he never quotes anyone, so as to leave incriminating or opposing views out of his post history?
6. OP needs to get a life and come back in a few years

Choose your own adventure!

OP is probably just a poor kid trying to push LTC or just ignorant of facts and figures. I normally am happy to hear criticisms about Bitcoin (such as the lack of usage areas and so), and explain valid technical concerns (scalability, user friendly etc), but FUD and unfounded questions push me over the top.
rjk
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
1ngldh
Hmm, perhaps a few possibilities:

1. OP is high
2. OP is hacked, and hacker is posting on a different login session (unlikely)
3. OP is retarded, stupid, an idiot, or some combination of those
4. OP is pushing some kind of agenda (whose?)
5. OP is a scammer trying to raise his post count in order to become more legitimate to new users (also likely) before selling them stuff and running.
  5a. See how he never quotes anyone, so as to leave incriminating or opposing views out of his post history?
6. OP needs to get a life and come back in a few years

Choose your own adventure!
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1227
Away on an extended break
Im not sure, perhaps we would see more featureful and diverse chipsets if we had perhaps half a dozen chip manufacturers instead of just two...

Also, the problem with a huge number of ASICs coming online, is not just that they get more powerful, its that smaller miners see lesser profits and drop out. Mining on a GPU will become impossible, and unless you invest heavily in ASICs you will probably not many enough money for it to be worthwhile.
We do have more then half a dozen chip manufacturers. It's just that their technological prowess haven't reached that of the top players.
For your second point, the transition to ASIC's is the same as the transition to GPU's from CPU's. You'll need to throw some dough in to be profitable during that transition, and this holds true for this transition.

OP, I would suggest you try not to humiliate yourself with such abysmal questions.  Please give your statements some thought before spouting nonsense.
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
Im not so sure, isnt it possible that the top 3/4 pools will collude like you sometimes see cartels doing in other markets?
Nope, not possible. The top 3/4 pools have a vested interest to see Bitcoin succeed, and there is many other pools in the market for anyone to choose.

See this: http://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=4days
You'll find that 4 of the top pools only controls like 1/3 of the hash rate. There is no incentive for them to band together, as doing an 51% attack is costly and unprofitable. Not to mention the difficulty as in practice an attack would need around 60-70~% for an attack to be viable. The members of the pools would notice and leave before any lasting harm would be done.
not to mention the fact he is overlooking that the product of those HUGE pools does not go to the pool op's pockets. it is paid out to thousands and thousands of miners. Least of all, not all of them are mining 'for profit'....
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
Yes, but the stake has increased, there is alot more money involved in mining than there were in the beginning stages of bitcoins... Your local pizza delivery companies are unlikely to collude for any reason, but Pizza Hut and Dominoes may (or at least buy out each other) ...

You didn't think about this again.

Your statement is true of anything! Even if BTC was, oh let's say, limited to cpu mining only it would be possibly for some SUPER HUGE LVL 90 JESUSES to group together and lulz control LTC...er...I mean...BTC.

Please, for the love of jebus. Stop and think before posting.
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1227
Away on an extended break
Im not so sure, isnt it possible that the top 3/4 pools will collude like you sometimes see cartels doing in other markets?
Nope, not possible. The top 3/4 pools have a vested interest to see Bitcoin succeed, and there is many other pools in the market for anyone to choose.

See this: http://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=4days
You'll find that 4 of the top pools only controls like 1/3 of the hash rate. There is no incentive for them to band together, as doing an 51% attack is costly and unprofitable. Not to mention the difficulty as in practice an attack would need around 60-70~% for an attack to be viable. The members of the pools would notice and leave before any lasting harm would be done.
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