Why do I have to beg to get my account back? - page 2.

Alone055

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Quote from: jenia2 on August 11, 2018, 12:20:37 PM

the account sellers are only providing a service

Why to avail that service? Just because your account is not being recovered, it doesn't mean you should buy another high ranked account and get a fresh start, and by the way, that won't be fresh at all. If you want to start fresh again, simply create one more account with the same name, which you did, and start from there again. I know it is unfortunate to lose your account that you have been using for so long, but unless your primary focus is signature campaigns or bounty earnings, you should not be looking for another account having the same high rank that you have lost with your account.
You are not going to get your trust back, if you had any, with a new account, nor you will be welcomed by anyone for anything if they know you have a bought account, as it is highly discouraged to trade accounts.

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Quote from: Alone055 on August 11, 2018, 12:09:28 PM

Wait, why do you beg to get your account back while you suggest others to buy new accounts and get a fresh start? Huh

I don't really get that.
Either you have bought an account secretly and started fresh from that already, which is unknown to any of us right now, or your hacked account was also a bought one which doesn't really make you feel that bad as you have not been nurturing it for years like others, and now you have created another account named after that to make it look like it was originally yours. Because if I was in your situation where I lost my very own account that I have been using for months or years now, I would never ask someone else to forget about his and start fresh, as I would understand his feelings.

P.S: The same thing applies to the other guy as well, I know, but you shouldn't be saying to him that he should buy a new account and get a fresh start, no matter what the reality is. Trading accounts is not a decent practice anyway.

My old account is mine 100% raised from 0 until it was lost. The reason I suggest to buy an account is because at the beginning I had hopes like the others, which after 2 months of realistically accessing the situation, I realized that I am not getting it back anytime soon, and most likely ever. I then tried to buy an account - not ashamed to admit as the account sellers are only providing a service , filling the vast void left by the moderators cyrus and thymos, but I still haven't found a single legit seller, just scammers.
In my opinion it is foolish thus to blame the account buyers/sellers rather than addressing the root of the problem here. But I do understand it is much easier to just go with the flow.

Alone055

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Wait, why do you beg to get your account back while you suggest others to buy new accounts and get a fresh start? Huh

I don't really get that.
Either you have bought an account secretly and started fresh from that already, which is unknown to any of us right now, or your hacked account was also a bought one which doesn't really make you feel that bad as you have not been nurturing it for years like others, and now you have created another account named after that to make it look like it was originally yours. Because if I was in your situation where I lost my very own account that I have been using for months or years now, I would never ask someone else to forget about his and start fresh, as I would understand his feelings.

P.S: The same thing applies to the other guy as well, I know, but you shouldn't be saying to him that he should buy a new account and get a fresh start, no matter what the reality is. Trading accounts is not a decent practice anyway.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on August 10, 2018, 10:54:04 AM

Something should have been done about this a while ago as it's clear neither theymos nor cyrus have the time or desire to do them. It isn't acceptable that people have to wait this long often without any sort of response at all, but only they can do something about it. Hopefully the system below will be implemented sooner rather than later.

Would have given you a merit, but ow shit. i'm a darn newbie, sorry, Jr. member now with 0 merit. most likely for the next several years.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on August 10, 2018, 10:54:04 AM

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Where did he say this?

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That was the response from theymos to me after PMing him about accepting profile addresses as proof of account ownership. I had asked him to review/amend that policy.

mdayonliner

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Quote from: Theb on August 11, 2018, 03:28:57 AM

Do you have any updates about this one? Because it has been almost two months now and we haven't heard any official announcements from theymos about it yet (he didn't even made it official with a thread announcement). Coming from a private message from KWH it looks like theymos wants the development of this system on closed doors meaning the implementation of this new system might not be final yet as coming from his private message he might be busy as the news system implementation is already one month behind schedule.

No, I do not have anymore information than this. Perhaps we can ask KWH about it.

Personally I am waiting for this feature to be implemented. I feel myself insecure for my account. The stuffs are happening with account recovery should need to be improved. We can not just blame the users for getting their accounts hacked. Any account could get compromised no matter how hard is your security system.

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Quote from: mdayonliner on August 10, 2018, 10:57:02 AM

Here are my sources...

Quote from: SFR10 on July 31, 2018, 07:43:21 AM

Quote from: TryNinja on July 30, 2018, 10:19:02 PM

Give me a few minutes and I will find the PM someone received from theymos where he says that he is developing a system to automatically prove you own an account with your staked address.

Quote from: mdayonliner on July 31, 2018, 03:43:30 AM

Quote from: TryNinja on July 30, 2018, 11:17:20 PM

IIRC, the PM was from ~1 month ago and theymos said that he would try to code it in a few weeks. So it should be out soon. So it will definitely be available in the current forum software (SMF), and not only when the new software comes out.

You realize a number of eye balls are looking at you now?(!)

Just to help and post the reference "TryNinja" was looking for (in case he/she had difficulty in finding it):

Quote from: KWH on July 23, 2018, 05:24:42 AM

If you have not posted that addy elsewhere, it probably won't be accepted.

Quote from: theymos on June 15, 2018, 11:23:27 PM

We don't actually accept the profile field address unless there's some sort of proof that it's remained unchanged, for that very reason.

I'm working on a new address-staking system which will automatically handle signatures, etc. Might have it ready by the end of the month if nothing else comes up to consume my time.

Do you have any updates about this one? Because it has been almost two months now and we haven't heard any official announcements from theymos about it yet (he didn't even made it official with a thread announcement). Coming from a private message from KWH it looks like theymos wants the development of this system on closed doors meaning the implementation of this new system might not be final yet as coming from his private message he might be busy as the news system implementation is already one month behind schedule.

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Quote from: jenia2 on August 10, 2018, 09:56:34 AM

Now be honest with me, do you know how long does it take to verify a signature?

I agree, if Admins are unable to perform their job due to "lack of time" or disinterest then they should delegate this task to some Legendary Moderators, i'm sure there might be several trusted users willing to help.
If Theimos / Cyrus are unable to trust or manage a team to take care of this job then they should consider quitting, leaving their position / seat to a more proficient and motivated staff.

I completely understand you, I'm facing the same concerns like those several other fellas that also were hacked. Here is my case:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/recovering-my-hacked-account-aveng-signed-message-4832256

It seems like nobody cares nor takes it seriously. No idea how long it would take for us to get any kind of official response. I try to be optimistic but everybody says me on Reddit to forget it.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on August 10, 2018, 10:54:04 AM

Where did he say this?

Here are my sources...

Quote from: TryNinja on July 30, 2018, 11:17:20 PM

Quote from: Maus0728 on July 30, 2018, 11:03:29 PM

How long will it take to be implemented? I hope that this system will work when the new bitcointalk forum has been launched. Sending PM thru theymos and Cyrus really eats a lot of time.

I couldn't find the post. But I'll try better tomorrow.

IIRC, the PM was from ~1 month ago and theymos said that he would try to code it in a few weeks. So it should be out soon. So it will definitely be available in the current forum software (SMF), and not only when the new software comes out.

The problem with the current system is that there is too many PM's and just theymos and Cyrus to check, verify the messages, deal with the members and recover the accounts. And they probably have a lot to do other than spend their day recovering hacked/lost accounts.

Quote from: SFR10 on July 31, 2018, 07:43:21 AM

Quote from: TryNinja on July 30, 2018, 10:19:02 PM

Give me a few minutes and I will find the PM someone received from theymos where he says that he is developing a system to automatically prove you own an account with your staked address.

Quote from: mdayonliner on July 31, 2018, 03:43:30 AM

Quote from: TryNinja on July 30, 2018, 11:17:20 PM

IIRC, the PM was from ~1 month ago and theymos said that he would try to code it in a few weeks. So it should be out soon. So it will definitely be available in the current forum software (SMF), and not only when the new software comes out.

You realize a number of eye balls are looking at you now?(!)

Just to help and post the reference "TryNinja" was looking for (in case he/she had difficulty in finding it):

Quote from: KWH on July 23, 2018, 05:24:42 AM

If you have not posted that addy elsewhere, it probably won't be accepted.

Quote from: theymos on June 15, 2018, 11:23:27 PM

We don't actually accept the profile field address unless there's some sort of proof that it's remained unchanged, for that very reason.

I'm working on a new address-staking system which will automatically handle signatures, etc. Might have it ready by the end of the month if nothing else comes up to consume my time.

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Quote from: jenia2 on August 10, 2018, 09:49:52 AM

I lost my account due to a hack, and its been 2 months since then

Some people have been waiting nearly a year.

Something should have been done about this a while ago as it's clear neither theymos nor cyrus have the time or desire to do them. It isn't acceptable that people have to wait this long often without any sort of response at all, but only they can do something about it. Hopefully the system below will be implemented sooner rather than later.

Quote from: mdayonliner on August 10, 2018, 09:55:17 AM

Quote from: theymos on June 15, 2018, 11:23:27 PM

We don't actually accept the profile field address unless there's some sort of proof that it's remained unchanged, for that very reason.

I'm working on a new address-staking system which will automatically handle signatures, etc. Might have it ready by the end of the month if nothing else comes up to consume my time.

Where did he say this?

Quote from: nostrings on August 10, 2018, 10:27:32 AM

You can post just fine on a low level account, whats this obsession with having a high ranked account? I really don't understand it, you can pay a small amount of btc to get a copper membership which gives you the same benefits.

It's a Senior Member account. Hardly a throwaway account. People shouldn't just have to give up and abandon them.

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Quote from: nostrings on August 10, 2018, 10:27:32 AM

You can post just fine on a low level account, whats this obsession with having a high ranked account? I really don't understand it, you can pay a small amount of btc to get a copper membership which gives you the same benefits.

I was dealing with hardware. I had reputation. Now I gotta start from scratch. This isn't only about posting per se.

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You can post just fine on a low level account, whats this obsession with having a high ranked account? I really don't understand it, you can pay a small amount of btc to get a copper membership which gives you the same benefits.

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Quote from: jenia2 on August 10, 2018, 10:08:08 AM

it's about NOT GIVING THE SLIGHTEST FUCK

Let's hope you are wrong here.

By the way, can we update the OP with a sign message and stuffs so that an admin can recover your account by any chance if they notice this post? This will make their job easier also your chances will be increased to get noticed.

I wish you a very good luck.

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Quote from: mdayonliner on August 10, 2018, 09:59:33 AM

Quote from: jenia2 on August 10, 2018, 09:56:34 AM

Now be honest with me, do you know how long does it take to verify a signature?

I understand that you are asking. To verify a signature first theymos or Cyrus or if that is any mod needs to notice your message then they can spend two to three minutes to verify and unlock your account.

Remember noticing your post is a big part.

Again mate, I completely understand your frustration, if I was wearing your shoes I might shout out with some swearing words but I appreciate you are still calm. Be more patience that's all I can say.

Thanks for your understanding, but when you say

Quote from: mdayonliner on August 10, 2018, 09:59:33 AM

Remember noticing your post is a big part.

and a user pms them and they ignore it, it is not about "noticing anymore" rather lets point the elephant in the room - it's about NOT GIVING THE SLIGHTEST FUCK

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Quote from: jenia2 on August 10, 2018, 09:56:34 AM

Now be honest with me, do you know how long does it take to verify a signature?

I understand that you are asking. To verify a signature first theymos or Cyrus or if that is any mod needs to notice your message then they can spend two to three minutes to verify and unlock your account.

Remember noticing your post is a big part.

Again mate, I completely understand your frustration, if I was wearing your shoes I might shout out with some swearing words but I appreciate you are still calm. Be more patience that's all I can say.

@rt27

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Easy mate.
Suppose you own not only two accounts.
Admin now is improving the system that makes us feel harder.
I think your issue is not what matters the most at this point of cleansing.
I don't blame you rather I say keep going! Don't give up.!
If you are worthy of help it will be given. Pretty sure about that.
Still be optimistic no matter what. Best regards

jenia2

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Quote from: mdayonliner on August 10, 2018, 09:55:17 AM

Quote from: jenia2 on August 10, 2018, 09:49:52 AM

why Cyrus and and thymos don't care at all about account recovery? seems this is not even on their list of priorities.

Theymos actually cares. I understand your frustration but here is a good news which could make a smile in your face Grin

Quote from: theymos on June 15, 2018, 11:23:27 PM

We don't actually accept the profile field address unless there's some sort of proof that it's remained unchanged, for that very reason.

I'm working on a new address-staking system which will automatically handle signatures, etc. Might have it ready by the end of the month if nothing else comes up to consume my time.

So keep the high hopes up.

Now be honest with me, do you know how long does it take to verify a signature?

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Quote from: jenia2 on August 10, 2018, 09:49:52 AM

why Cyrus and and thymos don't care at all about account recovery? seems this is not even on their list of priorities.

Theymos actually cares. I understand your frustration but here is a good news which could make a smile in your face Grin

Quote from: theymos on June 15, 2018, 11:23:27 PM

We don't actually accept the profile field address unless there's some sort of proof that it's remained unchanged, for that very reason.

I'm working on a new address-staking system which will automatically handle signatures, etc. Might have it ready by the end of the month if nothing else comes up to consume my time.

This conversations was about to automate the recovery system AFAIK.

So keep the high hopes up.

jenia2

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I lost my account due to a hack, and its been 2 months since then, I have signed 2 messages :
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/account-recovery-signed-btc-address-pmed-to-cyrusthymos-waiting-for-action-4635999 and still can't get it back.
why Cyrus and and thymos don't care at all about account recovery? seems this is not even on their list of priorities.
Is it that hard to give some global mods the power to recover an account? I mean seriously, what on earth is this piss poor amateuristic approach??

Blaming me for getting hacked also makes no sense since this forum uses a 1900's version code. no 2FA no security question. NADA.
plus this shit behaviour only fuels account trades, can you really blame someone for buying an account when the supposedly "recovery team" did nothing to help?

gotta say, this gang running this forum is a joke, completely unprofessional !

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