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Topic: Why do people think exchanges set the prices? (Read 1453 times)

legendary
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Hmmmm.... Here's the thing.... Unless almost all the exchanges colluded in unison, they would be screwing themselves.  Any price fixing in either direction would immediately invite arbitrage at their own expense.

100% agreed, another reason for the Index Smiley
I disagree. If several exchanges colluded "strategically" it could happen. [Once again, this is just hypothetical...]

Although some will be able to take advantage with arbitrage, the transaction times of bitcoin end up helping the exchanges. Most people don't have enough funds spread through multiple exchanges. Think of this as a sort of dispersed "pump" or something.

Admittedly, we see this sort of thing with other exchanges dealing in alts (where there are fairly large spreads between exchanges). Although, relative illiquidity is the culprit in those scenarios.

You're partially right in that large spreads would help them get away with it (although that is also self defeating).

But it doesn't matter what "most people" do.  Even 1 competent arbitrager will take money from exchanges trying to set prices, which is enough to discourage it.
You're right in the case that exchanges want to fix a price at set points.

But in the case that exchanges are okay with oscillating funds (still a type of price fixing), unless the person (or people) doing arbitrage has around the same amount of liquid money as the exchanges, the exchanges can still take advantage.
member
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Bitcoin cannot be stopped by stupidity and ignorance, only stalled.
Every retard that get's an audience stalls the adoption, which makes now a better time to buy.
Functionality will overcome tards, just be patient and hold on to all your laughs. So you can throw them in their faces when u ride by
in your BTC payed for lambo aventador
legendary
Activity: 1302
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
Hmmmm.... Here's the thing.... Unless almost all the exchanges colluded in unison, they would be screwing themselves.  Any price fixing in either direction would immediately invite arbitrage at their own expense.

100% agreed, another reason for the Index Smiley
I disagree. If several exchanges colluded "strategically" it could happen. [Once again, this is just hypothetical...]

Although some will be able to take advantage with arbitrage, the transaction times of bitcoin end up helping the exchanges. Most people don't have enough funds spread through multiple exchanges. Think of this as a sort of dispersed "pump" or something.

Admittedly, we see this sort of thing with other exchanges dealing in alts (where there are fairly large spreads between exchanges). Although, relative illiquidity is the culprit in those scenarios.

You're partially right in that large spreads would help them get away with it (although that is also self defeating).

But it doesn't matter what "most people" do.  Even 1 competent arbitrager will take money from exchanges trying to set prices, which is enough to discourage it.
legendary
Activity: 896
Merit: 1000
Hmmmm.... Here's the thing.... Unless almost all the exchanges colluded in unison, they would be screwing themselves.  Any price fixing in either direction would immediately invite arbitrage at their own expense.

100% agreed, another reason for the Index Smiley
I disagree. If several exchanges colluded "strategically" it could happen. [Once again, this is just hypothetical...]

Although some will be able to take advantage with arbitrage, the transaction times of bitcoin end up helping the exchanges. Most people don't have enough funds spread through multiple exchanges. Think of this as a sort of dispersed "pump" or something.

Admittedly, we see this sort of thing with other exchanges dealing in alts (where there are fairly large spreads between exchanges). Although, relative illiquidity is the culprit in those scenarios.
hero member
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I heard that since bitcoin was the first cryptocoin that it helps determine the prices by the market cap,
this make sense to me too. bitcoin is the medium
legendary
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I heard that since bitcoin was the first cryptocoin that it helps determine the prices by the market cap,

Market cap = Price X BTC in circulation

or

5.71B = $458.47 * 12,616,825

right now...

Data from: http://www.coincadence.com/bitcoin-index/
sr. member
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I heard that since bitcoin was the first cryptocoin that it helps determine the prices by the market cap,
legendary
Activity: 1258
Merit: 1027
Hmmmm.... Here's the thing.... Unless almost all the exchanges colluded in unison, they would be screwing themselves.  Any price fixing in either direction would immediately invite arbitrage at their own expense.

100% agreed, another reason for the Index Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1008
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
There is a lot of belief that exchanges "fix" prices because of how relatively easy it would be for several exchanges to collude and function as a market-maker of sorts. I'm not saying that it happens, but would you really be shocked if it did? I mean, the simple lack of auditability for virtually all bitcoin exchanges says a lot.

That's one of the biggest cons with an "unregulated" market.

Do any exchanges provide true transparency to see real time bids

Most exchanges provide a public API (i.e. one that does not require authentication to access), however the data reported by the API is what the exchange reports, it is not easily verifiable...

Hmmmm.... Here's the thing.... Unless almost all the exchanges colluded in unison, they would be screwing themselves.  Any price fixing in either direction would immediately invite arbitrage at their own expense.
legendary
Activity: 1258
Merit: 1027
There is a lot of belief that exchanges "fix" prices because of how relatively easy it would be for several exchanges to collude and function as a market-maker of sorts. I'm not saying that it happens, but would you really be shocked if it did? I mean, the simple lack of auditability for virtually all bitcoin exchanges says a lot.

That's one of the biggest cons with an "unregulated" market.

Do any exchanges provide true transparency to see real time bids

Most exchanges provide a public API (i.e. one that does not require authentication to access), however the data reported by the API is what the exchange reports, it is not easily verifiable...
legendary
Activity: 1258
Merit: 1027
This is one of the reasons I created my index (linked in my signature), I believe price transparency is very important for Bitcoins mass adoption.

We currently track 7 major exchanges, as I write this there is a 5.4% variance in exchange pricing, I have seen it as high as ~20% since we began tracking on March 7th.

I'm going to graph the variance over time (give me a day or 2), I predict as we see the variance decline over time, it will signal greater mass adoption for Bitcoin....and less opportunity for arbitrage. (remember prediction is difficult, especially about the future)


CoinBase is actually the only one who does "set" prices right? Since it's not an exchange.

I can't blame you for included it on your site, but yeh it's not really an exchange Wink

Your right, CoinBase is not an "Exchange" in the true definition.

I included it because of it's ease of use, volume, and adoption rate.
legendary
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
There is a lot of belief that exchanges "fix" prices because of how relatively easy it would be for several exchanges to collude and function as a market-maker of sorts. I'm not saying that it happens, but would you really be shocked if it did? I mean, the simple lack of auditability for virtually all bitcoin exchanges says a lot.

That's one of the biggest cons with an "unregulated" market.

Do any exchanges provide true transparency to see real time bids
legendary
Activity: 1876
Merit: 1295
DiceSites.com owner
This is one of the reasons I created my index (linked in my signature), I believe price transparency is very important for Bitcoins mass adoption.

We currently track 7 major exchanges, as I write this there is a 5.4% variance in exchange pricing, I have seen it as high as ~20% since we began tracking on March 7th.

I'm going to graph the variance over time (give me a day or 2), I predict as we see the variance decline over time, it will signal greater mass adoption for Bitcoin....and less opportunity for arbitrage. (remember prediction is difficult, especially about the future)


CoinBase is actually the only one who does "set" prices right? Since it's not an exchange.

I can't blame you for included it on your site, but yeh it's not really an exchange Wink
legendary
Activity: 896
Merit: 1000
There is a lot of belief that exchanges "fix" prices because of how relatively easy it would be for several exchanges to collude and function as a market-maker of sorts. I'm not saying that it happens, but would you really be shocked if it did? I mean, the simple lack of auditability for virtually all bitcoin exchanges says a lot.

That's one of the biggest cons with an "unregulated" market.
legendary
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Merit: 3188
Vile Vixen and Miss Bitcointalk 2021-2023
Most people don't understand how the price of anything is determined.
legendary
Activity: 1258
Merit: 1027
This is one of the reasons I created my index (linked in my signature), I believe price transparency is very important for Bitcoins mass adoption.

We currently track 7 major exchanges, as I write this there is a 5.4% variance in exchange pricing, I have seen it as high as ~20% since we began tracking on March 7th.

I'm going to graph the variance over time (give me a day or 2), I predict as we see the variance decline over time, it will signal greater mass adoption for Bitcoin....and less opportunity for arbitrage. (remember prediction is difficult, especially about the future)

legendary
Activity: 1302
Merit: 1008
Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
A lot of otherwise intelligent people still just don't understand how the price of a bitcoin is arrived at. I think a lot of people must think bitstamp and mt gox and btc-e bought a lof of bitcoins and now they are selling them? Perhaps we need some kind of education campaign to help them understand how the price is really determined?

Like I have friends that don't understand what gives a bitcoin its value. They just don't get that it's just other people buying the coins. It's so obvious to us, but for the people on the outside not so much.

A person can be a genius in one area, and a fool in another. 
legendary
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Merit: 1147
The revolution will be monetized!
In reality, only you set the price! For your coins.
sr. member
Activity: 252
Merit: 250
so they set the prices above other exchanges and won't give back the BTC>  sounds like something's a brewing.  maybe their doing some magic math to boost bitcoin to $4000 we can only hope    Cheesy

personally i tried signing up to Mt. Gox on several occasions but couldn't get past the fact it had "magic the gathering" in it's name.  i hate card games and tricks.  BitStamp for me ONLY    Grin
newbie
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A lot of otherwise intelligent people still just don't understand how the price of a bitcoin is arrived at. I think a lot of people must think bitstamp and mt gox and btc-e bought a lof of bitcoins and now they are selling them? Perhaps we need some kind of education campaign to help them understand how the price is really determined?

Like I have friends that don't understand what gives a bitcoin its value. They just don't get that it's just other people buying the coins. It's so obvious to us, but for the people on the outside not so much.


Actually this is exactly what happened
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