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legendary
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I hope relatively smart people will see that Bitcointalk, the scammy forum that allows scammers, spammers and thieves to run rampant, is not Bitcoin, the currency.
legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1004
Keep it real
Has theymos or any other mod publicly commented on this rule (or lack thereof)? Is there any "official" thread in which the moderators position on this issue is put forth?

Publicly commented on what?  Account selling?  If that's the question, AFAIK it's allowed.  Don't feel like finding the post where theymos said it was, but I've never heard/seen otherwise.
hero member
Activity: 812
Merit: 1000
I'm erasing my pm's and changing all info that links back to me...it's ridiculous that something like this is allowed.
legendary
Activity: 868
Merit: 1000
ADT developer
I messaged theymos about it and was told that he is not wiling to do anything about it at this time
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0
Brand new on the board here but it seems to me like you shouldn't be allowed to purchase a hacked or abandoned or sold/aged account, heck you can't even delete your own account for the protection of users down the line.

No other forum of this size allows accounts to be sold or purchased and if they are or are found out to be then they are banned and deleted or at least tagged in someway so that other users know about it.

The only realistic reason for someone to purchase an account would be to scam others, period.

If the mods and owners are allowing this activity to happen then they are at the very least, complicit in the scams, extortion, blackmailing and theft that is rampant throughout this forum.

How can you guys allow this activity?

The only reason someone would buy accounts is not necessarily to scam people. They could also want it for advertising purposes. But mostly, it is because the admin allows it.
full member
Activity: 174
Merit: 100
Separation of currency and state.
Mods don't sent the rules, we enforce them.  Talk to theymos if you want to know about the rules and why they are the way they are.

Has theymos or any other mod publicly commented on this rule (or lack thereof)? Is there any "official" thread in which the moderators position on this issue is put forth?

I have utilized the forum search feature--perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see one particular post or thread that seemed to officially address this and lay out the moderator's official stance. Then again, there were many posts and threads on the subject, and I didn't review them all, so perhaps I missed the one which contains the official statement.
legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1004
Keep it real
Mods don't sent the rules, we enforce them.  Talk to theymos if you want to know about the rules and why they are the way they are.
hero member
Activity: 742
Merit: 500
Hundreds of meaningless messages in the russian newbie section were disturbing.
I think that someone was doing this to sell "non-newbie" accounts in bulk later.
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
Ask me anything if you have any problem
bottom line, smart ass moderators, read this and eat it.......
don't sell my stuff or I will come the fuck after your ass in court.
MY personal information is NOT for sale and I did not give you permission to pull that shit, in the first place and you cannot ASSUME permission, according to the federal courts.

And THIS will attest to the fact that any permission(s) I may have given by signing up on this stupid motherfucking newbie shit site..., are hereby revoked, period, end of sentence, picture taken and put in the file, for court reference, and I took the picture while it was posted on YOUR site. so you can take it off all you want, I have the picture of it POSTED!!!!! (and take note, if you do this, have a newspaper with the date on it next to your picture, so it can't be faked. If you want to have more proof, then hold your thumb print up next to the picture. (not the one you post...black that out....just use the screen pic. The newspaper pic will do fine.)

how's that for permission to do jack shit with my information and/or account, period!!!

everyone who reads this should post the exact same message from YOUR account.
There is nothing they can do about it, period, except kick you off, and then they show the scam as real.

any one person gets kicked off for this, should log back on as another newbie and post that.
That will show us the real scammers.

I personally find it absolutely revolting that any soite would sell my name to another and NOT pay ME for it.
It is MY name, MY log on, MY account, and MY  everything, NOT yours, assholes.
You DUMBASSES wouldn't even know it existed if we didn't come up with the account  names, therefore, unless YOU assign names, (which you can't...think I would take the name YOU gave me?...fuck you) they are copyrighted to US and not YOU and therefore you break the fucking FEDERAL law by doing this and will bring the feds down even faster than they are now.
MY shit is MY shit, not yours to do  with what ever the fuck you think you can do with it. MY accounts are MY accounts, and unless you are going the fuck out of business and make a block sale of ALL names that you are NO LONGER going to use and shut down your site, the by god, you had better not be selling others people's identities, non matter WHAT they are.
But hey, dipshit, we can take this to court and find out, and at the same time we can bring the feds down on ALL BTC accounting in the US,  period.
How's that?

and, smart ass, yes I do know about copyrights and have been on court several times, and won every "motherfucking" time.
He who writes it, owns it, and there isn't jack shit you can do about it.
MY name, etc is (C)copyrighted to me,  period. You may NOT ever assume ownership, period, assholes.
I write programs for major oil companies and  other corporations, so everything I do is copyrighted, period and you don't get them by default and you can't have them just because you say so, and by god you had better not sell them in any form or fashion, uinless "I" get the ,money, period!!!!! end of tale.
Get my drift, smartass? That's MY money you are making, not yours. "I" own them , not you.
No one gave YOU permission to do jack shit with MY intelectual property, asswipe.

as the comedian says:
"here's your sign"  "STUPID"

these idoits had better go read copyright law. YOU come up with it, it is YOURS and by selling oit to anyone they have violated copyright law, as the name would not exost, if not for YOU coming up with it, and the stupid assed moderators, are NOT going to come up with YOUR name randomly or by chance, period.
eat shit and die, stupid ,moderators. And you better get a copyright lawyer.
How can you sell a name that doesn't exist before WE come up with it, dipishit?
answer: YOU CAN'T


cabinetmaker,

You're really missing something here. We're not talking about forum mods selling your account to somebody else. We're talking about you deciding to sell your own account (or accounts) to somebody else.  Tongue
He really misunderstanding this
full member
Activity: 174
Merit: 100
Separation of currency and state.
bottom line, smart ass moderators, read this and eat it.......
don't sell my stuff or I will come the fuck after your ass in court.
MY personal information is NOT for sale and I did not give you permission to pull that shit, in the first place and you cannot ASSUME permission, according to the federal courts.

And THIS will attest to the fact that any permission(s) I may have given by signing up on this stupid motherfucking newbie shit site..., are hereby revoked, period, end of sentence, picture taken and put in the file, for court reference, and I took the picture while it was posted on YOUR site. so you can take it off all you want, I have the picture of it POSTED!!!!! (and take note, if you do this, have a newspaper with the date on it next to your picture, so it can't be faked. If you want to have more proof, then hold your thumb print up next to the picture. (not the one you post...black that out....just use the screen pic. The newspaper pic will do fine.)

how's that for permission to do jack shit with my information and/or account, period!!!

everyone who reads this should post the exact same message from YOUR account.
There is nothing they can do about it, period, except kick you off, and then they show the scam as real.

any one person gets kicked off for this, should log back on as another newbie and post that.
That will show us the real scammers.

I personally find it absolutely revolting that any soite would sell my name to another and NOT pay ME for it.
It is MY name, MY log on, MY account, and MY  everything, NOT yours, assholes.
You DUMBASSES wouldn't even know it existed if we didn't come up with the account  names, therefore, unless YOU assign names, (which you can't...think I would take the name YOU gave me?...fuck you) they are copyrighted to US and not YOU and therefore you break the fucking FEDERAL law by doing this and will bring the feds down even faster than they are now.
MY shit is MY shit, not yours to do  with what ever the fuck you think you can do with it. MY accounts are MY accounts, and unless you are going the fuck out of business and make a block sale of ALL names that you are NO LONGER going to use and shut down your site, the by god, you had better not be selling others people's identities, non matter WHAT they are.
But hey, dipshit, we can take this to court and find out, and at the same time we can bring the feds down on ALL BTC accounting in the US,  period.
How's that?

and, smart ass, yes I do know about copyrights and have been on court several times, and won every "motherfucking" time.
He who writes it, owns it, and there isn't jack shit you can do about it.
MY name, etc is (C)copyrighted to me,  period. You may NOT ever assume ownership, period, assholes.
I write programs for major oil companies and  other corporations, so everything I do is copyrighted, period and you don't get them by default and you can't have them just because you say so, and by god you had better not sell them in any form or fashion, uinless "I" get the ,money, period!!!!! end of tale.
Get my drift, smartass? That's MY money you are making, not yours. "I" own them , not you.
No one gave YOU permission to do jack shit with MY intelectual property, asswipe.

as the comedian says:
"here's your sign"  "STUPID"

these idoits had better go read copyright law. YOU come up with it, it is YOURS and by selling oit to anyone they have violated copyright law, as the name would not exost, if not for YOU coming up with it, and the stupid assed moderators, are NOT going to come up with YOUR name randomly or by chance, period.
eat shit and die, stupid ,moderators. And you better get a copyright lawyer.
How can you sell a name that doesn't exist before WE come up with it, dipishit?
answer: YOU CAN'T


cabinetmaker,

You're really missing something here. We're not talking about forum mods selling your account to somebody else. We're talking about you deciding to sell your own account (or accounts) to somebody else.  Tongue
sr. member
Activity: 322
Merit: 250
Ask me anything if you have any problem
Try make a vote first. I dont think all people dissagree the account can be bought or sold

what?
The mods/theymos have said numerous times that buying and selling accounts are NOT against TOS.
I agree with mode but the bluefin person have the problem. He think many people dont agree it. We can get income in exchange help people to get more activity with sold our acount to them
newbie
Activity: 42
Merit: 0
My opinion?

Buying and selling accounts shouldn't be allowed Sad

The accounts must be unique!
member
Activity: 61
Merit: 10
What would you like me to apologize for trying to make this place better than it is by calling out people such as yourself?

The fact that you even considered purchasing fake accounts to then sell to your customers points directly at your character or lack thereof. May I remind you that I started this thread and YOU choose to admit your details to us.
I explained clearly that I wouldn't have done this in secret, not deceiving anyone, nor trading stolen accounts, but you chose to ignore that and accuse me anyway.

You are the worst kind of liar.


lohoris,
Please re-read what I wrote before getting your panties in a bunch, I am not accusing you of anything.
You are clearly feeling guilty of something, go ahead confess your sins.
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
Bitgoblin
bottom line, smart ass moderators, read this and eat it.......
don't sell my stuff or I will come the fuck after your ass in court.
MY personal information is NOT for sale and I did not give you permission to pull that shit, in the first place and you cannot ASSUME permission, according to the federal courts.

And THIS will attest to the fact that any permission(s) I may have given by signing up on this stupid motherfucking newbie shit site..., are hereby revoked, period, end of sentence, picture taken and put in the file, for court reference, and I took the picture while it was posted on YOUR site. so you can take it off all you want, I have the picture of it POSTED!!!!! (and take note, if you do this, have a newspaper with the date on it next to your picture, so it can't be faked. If you want to have more proof, then hold your thumb print up next to the picture. (not the one you post...black that out....just use the screen pic. The newspaper pic will do fine.)

how's that for permission to do jack shit with my information and/or account, period!!!

everyone who reads this should post the exact same message from YOUR account.
There is nothing they can do about it, period, except kick you off, and then they show the scam as real.

any one person gets kicked off for this, should log back on as another newbie and post that.
That will show us the real scammers.

I personally find it absolutely revolting that any soite would sell my name to another and NOT pay ME for it.
It is MY name, MY log on, MY account, and MY  everything, NOT yours, assholes.
You DUMBASSES wouldn't even know it existed if we didn't come up with the account  names, therefore, unless YOU assign names, (which you can't...think I would take the name YOU gave me?...fuck you) they are copyrighted to US and not YOU and therefore you break the fucking FEDERAL law by doing this and will bring the feds down even faster than they are now.
MY shit is MY shit, not yours to do  with what ever the fuck you think you can do with it. MY accounts are MY accounts, and unless you are going the fuck out of business and make a block sale of ALL names that you are NO LONGER going to use and shut down your site, the by god, you had better not be selling others people's identities, non matter WHAT they are.
But hey, dipshit, we can take this to court and find out, and at the same time we can bring the feds down on ALL BTC accounting in the US,  period.
How's that?

and, smart ass, yes I do know about copyrights and have been on court several times, and won every "motherfucking" time.
He who writes it, owns it, and there isn't jack shit you can do about it.
MY name, etc is (C)copyrighted to me,  period. You may NOT ever assume ownership, period, assholes.
I write programs for major oil companies and  other corporations, so everything I do is copyrighted, period and you don't get them by default and you can't have them just because you say so, and by god you had better not sell them in any form or fashion, uinless "I" get the ,money, period!!!!! end of tale.
Get my drift, smartass? That's MY money you are making, not yours. "I" own them , not you.
No one gave YOU permission to do jack shit with MY intelectual property, asswipe.

as the comedian says:
"here's your sign"  "STUPID"

these idoits had better go read copyright law. YOU come up with it, it is YOURS and by selling oit to anyone they have violated copyright law, as the name would not exost, if not for YOU coming up with it, and the stupid assed moderators, are NOT going to come up with YOUR name randomly or by chance, period.
eat shit and die, stupid ,moderators. And you better get a copyright lawyer.
How can you sell a name that doesn't exist before WE come up with it, dipishit?
answer: YOU CAN'T

quote for posterity, not even bothering to read it.
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
Bitgoblin
lohoris, then stop the forum asshole.
who are you god?
You want to threaten people?
Go ahead and show us all how much of a scumbucket you really are by doing this shit.
do you think there aren't any other forums we will tell everyone about you?
NOT!!!
do you think we will let you get away with it?
NOT!!!!!
do you think everyone is stupid excepot YOU?
NOT!!! you are probably stupider than anyone else on the forum. Probably stupider than even me.

go ahead, jerk off, close this and delete it, we'll start it again, and again, and again.
I take your fucking challenge.
I do NOT take shit back.
How do you like that asshole scumbucket.
Did the other newbie get your ass in a  bind? by telling the truth?

shitheads like YOU keep this shit up with the threats and you can bet your ass btc will become the next scam news story. and everyone looses.

jerk off.

fuck with someone else, asshole.

WE like the truth, not buillshit from people like you. And people like me don't give a goddamned rats ass who you think you are,period.

YOU KNOW yuo do not have permission to pull your shit. Not now, not ever, according to the courts.
and the courts seem to been ruling these days. YOU LOOSE.


wtf is this?
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
Bitgoblin
What would you like me to apologize for trying to make this place better than it is by calling out people such as yourself?

The fact that you even considered purchasing fake accounts to then sell to your customers points directly at your character or lack thereof. May I remind you that I started this thread and YOU choose to admit your details to us.
I explained clearly that I wouldn't have done this in secret, not deceiving anyone, nor trading stolen accounts, but you chose to ignore that and accuse me anyway.

You are the worst kind of liar.
member
Activity: 92
Merit: 10
lohoris, then stop the forum asshole.
who are you god?
You want to threaten people?
Go ahead and show us all how much of a scumbucket you really are by doing this shit.
do you think there aren't any other forums we will tell everyone about you?
NOT!!!
do you think we will let you get away with it?
NOT!!!!!
do you think everyone is stupid excepot YOU?
NOT!!! you are probably stupider than anyone else on the forum. Probably stupider than even me.

go ahead, jerk off, close this and delete it, we'll start it again, and again, and again.
I take your fucking challenge.
I do NOT take shit back.
How do you like that asshole scumbucket.
Did the other newbie get your ass in a  bind? by telling the truth?

shitheads like YOU keep this shit up with the threats and you can bet your ass btc will become the next scam news story. and everyone looses.

jerk off.

fuck with someone else, asshole.

WE like the truth, not buillshit from people like you. And people like me don't give a goddamned rats ass who you think you are,period.

YOU KNOW yuo do not have permission to pull your shit. Not now, not ever, according to the courts.
and the courts seem to been ruling these days. YOU LOOSE.

member
Activity: 92
Merit: 10
bottom line, smart ass moderators, read this and eat it.......
don't sell my stuff or I will come the fuck after your ass in court.
MY personal information is NOT for sale and I did not give you permission to pull that shit, in the first place and you cannot ASSUME permission, according to the federal courts.

And THIS will attest to the fact that any permission(s) I may have given by signing up on this stupid motherfucking newbie shit site..., are hereby revoked, period, end of sentence, picture taken and put in the file, for court reference, and I took the picture while it was posted on YOUR site. so you can take it off all you want, I have the picture of it POSTED!!!!! (and take note, if you do this, have a newspaper with the date on it next to your picture, so it can't be faked. If you want to have more proof, then hold your thumb print up next to the picture. (not the one you post...black that out....just use the screen pic. The newspaper pic will do fine.)

how's that for permission to do jack shit with my information and/or account, period!!!

everyone who reads this should post the exact same message from YOUR account.
There is nothing they can do about it, period, except kick you off, and then they show the scam as real.

any one person gets kicked off for this, should log back on as another newbie and post that.
That will show us the real scammers.

I personally find it absolutely revolting that any soite would sell my name to another and NOT pay ME for it.
It is MY name, MY log on, MY account, and MY  everything, NOT yours, assholes.
You DUMBASSES wouldn't even know it existed if we didn't come up with the account  names, therefore, unless YOU assign names, (which you can't...think I would take the name YOU gave me?...fuck you) they are copyrighted to US and not YOU and therefore you break the fucking FEDERAL law by doing this and will bring the feds down even faster than they are now.
MY shit is MY shit, not yours to do  with what ever the fuck you think you can do with it. MY accounts are MY accounts, and unless you are going the fuck out of business and make a block sale of ALL names that you are NO LONGER going to use and shut down your site, the by god, you had better not be selling others people's identities, non matter WHAT they are.
But hey, dipshit, we can take this to court and find out, and at the same time we can bring the feds down on ALL BTC accounting in the US,  period.
How's that?

and, smart ass, yes I do know about copyrights and have been on court several times, and won every "motherfucking" time.
He who writes it, owns it, and there isn't jack shit you can do about it.
MY name, etc is (C)copyrighted to me,  period. You may NOT ever assume ownership, period, assholes.
I write programs for major oil companies and  other corporations, so everything I do is copyrighted, period and you don't get them by default and you can't have them just because you say so, and by god you had better not sell them in any form or fashion, uinless "I" get the ,money, period!!!!! end of tale.
Get my drift, smartass? That's MY money you are making, not yours. "I" own them , not you.
No one gave YOU permission to do jack shit with MY intelectual property, asswipe.

as the comedian says:
"here's your sign"  "STUPID"

these idoits had better go read copyright law. YOU come up with it, it is YOURS and by selling oit to anyone they have violated copyright law, as the name would not exost, if not for YOU coming up with it, and the stupid assed moderators, are NOT going to come up with YOUR name randomly or by chance, period.
eat shit and die, stupid ,moderators. And you better get a copyright lawyer.
How can you sell a name that doesn't exist before WE come up with it, dipishit?
answer: YOU CAN'T
full member
Activity: 174
Merit: 100
Separation of currency and state.
I think this is a very interesting issue.

I always use my real name when posting anywhere online.

If I were going to enter a transaction with anybody from the forum I would need to know their real name and be confident that they really are who they say they are. A facebook page would usually be enough for me to feel comfortable, as I think it would be very difficult to convincingly fake a facebook page (things I would look at would be how many friends, unique posts, photos, family members listed, work history, etc.).

I don't think that accounts being bought and sold is in any way good for the bitcoin community, but I don't necessarily think that prohibiting any type of exchange is a good idea either.

I think any account used to buy or sell accounts should get a scammer tag, but that the user in question should not be banned and the post should not be deleted or moderated.

Freedom of exchange is what bitcoin is all about. At least from my perspective. So telling people what they can or cannot buy or sell seems to be inherently against the fundamental principles of bitcoin.

I can't see an easy way to do it, but if there were some way that we could require all transactions involving buying or selling forum accounts to be public, so that everybody could see which accounts have been bought or sold and who owns them now, that would solve the issue--sure, you can buy and sell accounts all day, but they won't be much use to you if everybody knows that you bought them.

I disagree,
The community at large is allowing this.

According to the forum stats, they are about 136,000 accounts, let's say 75% are fake or dead, that is 34,000 people that could rise up and demand that these scumbags be chased off our land.

If only 1% of us that are on this forum (~340) people speak up about this to the mods/owners and refuse to allow this type of behavior they will have no choice but to do something about it.

Theymos and the rest of the mods should be ashamed of themselves.

I want bitcoin to succeed in a huge way, but with these types of people running and ruining what we have,  I am starting to doubt it.

The community at large is allowing this, and I can see why. In a very big way, bitcoin is about freedom of exchange. Telling people what they can and can't buy or sell goes against this in a fundamental way. I think the marketplace here shouldn't have any terms regarding what can and can't be bought or sold. So I am against banning the sale of accounts.

However, I think buying or selling accounts is clearly either condoning, encouraging, or preparing to engage in, scamming.

Therefore, I think anybody buying or selling accounts should get a scammer tag, but that the buying and selling of accounts should not be prohibited by the TOS or result in a ban of the user, and the thread with the attempted sale should not be deleted or locked.
member
Activity: 61
Merit: 10
Please publicly disclose all of the accounts that you have bought and or sold
What's your problem?
I've stated clearly in every post here that this is a thing I considered but didn't do.
Now apologise or this discussion ends here.


What would you like me to apologize for trying to make this place better than it is by calling out people such as yourself?

The fact that you even considered purchasing fake accounts to then sell to your customers points directly at your character or lack thereof. May I remind you that I started this thread and YOU choose to admit your details to us.
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