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legendary
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November 20, 2022, 03:55:27 AM
#33
The information that a forum account has been autobanned should be changed if you ask me. I am surprised that we don't see more topics in Meta with members asking why was this account automatically banned or why did a bot ban member X. "Auto" and "automatic" suggests that it wasn't done by a person, but in some automated way. Only if you are here long enough or you make some basic research, you will find out that each ban is issued manually by a real human being after investigating if a permanent ban is the best course of action or not.   
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November 18, 2022, 07:00:11 PM
#32
Actually, Dr. Osh is the registered and copyrighted name of Dr Osh Cosmeceuticals London is a premium skincare line in its purest form, containing natural and active ingredients. Note the copyright symbol in the picture. So, this name is protected by copyright law. Well, I'm just saying Wink

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November 18, 2022, 06:56:54 PM
#31

The real question is whether this was an attempt to pose as the other user, which I guess would be hard to tell. Since no public attempts seem to have been made.


This could also be a complete coincidence and nothing more. Besides I have seen someone mention that the legendary Dr.Osh has never appeared in this forum for about 1.8 months. This means that he is not a regular name and would not likely be imposted by anyone.

Assuming the username was like Welshe, LoyceVe etc we could easily assume it is a clear attempt for imposter.
If the OP can buy your idea of applying for a name change it will be fine.
staff
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November 18, 2022, 05:33:27 PM
#30
Just some thoughts, if you wanted to keep two accounts as separate identities, you probably don't want to name them something similar, as that puts eyes on you, and starts the allegations. So, while it might be a reverse psychology attempt, it's probably better to just never have that attention on you in the first place.

So, while the usernames are similar that doesn't automatically mean they're linked, and we can't accuse users of that just because their usernames are similar. Well, technically almost identical. However, I'm not sure if that name is known for something? Maybe a character from a show or something? Since, admittedly the chances of having identical usernames is rather low, although a quick search doesn't yield anything. I guess what I'm trying to say is your assumptions might actually be right, and good instinct, but it's probably best we cover all angles first since without knowing all the context, and why they do have similar names we can't jump the gun, and just come to a conclusion based on gut feeling. Something that non admins likely don't have; in terms of context, especially considering the age of the accounts.

Although, that's besides the point. Dr.Osh i.e the Legendary account isn't banned, and therefore it's not like it would be ban evasion in the first place. The only thing that could be going on is a user posing as another user which obviously would be bannable. However, I imagine one of the users probably more likely the newer of the two could request a username change if the situation is deemed non malicious, and basically done unknowingly, since it probably will cause confusion in the long run. I'd have thought theymos would see that as a valid reason. I think there might have even been a case of this before, although I might be wrong on that.

The real question is whether this was an attempt to pose as the other user, which I guess would be hard to tell. Since no public attempts seem to have been made. The only way would potentially be through personal messages, but they'd have to be reported to know that. I guess the admins can take all the information provided, and work it out themselves as they have a little more information to work on. We're all working on an assumption here which probably isn't the best idea. Obviously, it's a good idea to bring this to attention though for all parties.

Usually, users that are looking to pose as others tend to make their moves privately rather than publicly. I've had a quick check over Dr.Osh's (legendary) posts, and they don't appear to be offering any services, that could be easily exploited this way; at least by threads created.

The above is my thought pattern when seeing things like this, and it's usually why I don't act upon any reports that don't have conclusive evidence, since I think it's better that the higher ups if you will, take a look at it instead.


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November 18, 2022, 05:32:25 PM
#29
In this case, your account is an imposter. Such accounts are created for the purpose of deceiving users or scamming supposedly in the name of the person whose account name the scammer is copying. Such accounts are usually subject to a ban on our forum.
I wonder what the next step, does the OP really have to be banned for this case?

Good question Smiley Let the global moderators or administrators decide. Because if he gets nuked by regular moderators, all of his posts will be deleted, including this thread. If you're interested in my personal opinion, I think this imposter is no different from other imposters banned on this forum.
legendary
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November 18, 2022, 05:18:07 PM
#28

Imposter, seems right. People would think it was the same person if they never paid attention to the rank of the two accounts.

 
That's why I'm telling everyone about this, but I don't know exactly if this is really intentional or not because in general the two accounts are very similar [impersonate identity].

Even if the OP wasn't trying to impersonate anyone else I really can't trust it as well as reason. I didn't try to tag it with anything, but maybe this would be a good option to prevent something the main account that has the same username would not expect.

In this case, your account is an imposter. Such accounts are created for the purpose of deceiving users or scamming supposedly in the name of the person whose account name the scammer is copying. Such accounts are usually subject to a ban on our forum.
I wonder what the next step, does the OP really have to be banned for this case?
legendary
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November 18, 2022, 02:51:35 PM
#27
I have a lot of respect for DT 1 and DT 2 members. But you can't slander someone for no reason. .

I'm just wondering, how do you know that lovesmayfamilis is a DT member?  Smiley

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Having created your nickname, the forum will definitely inform you that such a name already exists.

Yes, if it was the same name then the forum would have reported that such a name already existed. But for the slight gap between these two names the account is created correctly. As you can see, I have no problem with that.

So you claim that your choice of name, which happens to be the same as another member on the forum, is merely a coincidence? Well, I hope you can see how that can be a problem.
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November 18, 2022, 03:47:56 AM
#26
I am new to bitcointalk forum. I don't know much about this forum.
I'm not verry sure about your confession, is this your main account or something happened by chance?

Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/drosh-561859

Sorry buddy it's not my account. And I don't have multiple accounts.

In this case, your account is an imposter. Such accounts are created for the purpose of deceiving users or scamming supposedly in the name of the person whose account name the scammer is copying. Such accounts are usually subject to a ban on our forum.


I understand your point. But when I created this account I didn't know that there is another account with this name on Bitcointalk forum. And if I had known then I would never have done this mistake.
Lie again.

I have a lot of respect for DT 1 and DT 2 members. But you can't slander someone for no reason. .

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Having created your nickname, the forum will definitely inform you that such a name already exists.

Yes, if it was the same name then the forum would have reported that such a name already existed. But for the slight gap between these two names the account is created correctly. As you can see, I have no problem with that.
legendary
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November 18, 2022, 12:58:39 AM
#25
I am new to bitcointalk forum. I don't know much about this forum.
I'm not verry sure about your confession, is this your main account or something happened by chance?

Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/drosh-561859

Sorry buddy it's not my account. And I don't have multiple accounts.

In this case, your account is an imposter. Such accounts are created for the purpose of deceiving users or scamming supposedly in the name of the person whose account name the scammer is copying. Such accounts are usually subject to a ban on our forum.


I understand your point. But when I created this account I didn't know that there is another account with this name on Bitcointalk forum. And if I had known then I would never have done this mistake.
Lie again. Having created your nickname, the forum will definitely inform you that such a name already exists. That's why you fixed it and added a space. There is no need to invent anything; such coincidences cannot exist. You came to the forum with a purpose, and soon, I think, we will find it out. A newbie who is interested in the issue of a ban on the forum somehow does not look like a real newbie.
Do not consider yourself smarter; we have seen a lot of stories from scammers.
newbie
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November 17, 2022, 10:43:37 PM
#24
I am new to bitcointalk forum. I don't know much about this forum.
I'm not verry sure about your confession, is this your main account or something happened by chance?

Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/drosh-561859

Sorry buddy it's not my account. And I don't have multiple accounts.

In this case, your account is an imposter. Such accounts are created for the purpose of deceiving users or scamming supposedly in the name of the person whose account name the scammer is copying. Such accounts are usually subject to a ban on our forum.


I understand your point. But when I created this account I didn't know that there is another account with this name on Bitcointalk forum. And if I had known then I would never have done this mistake.
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November 17, 2022, 03:40:18 PM
#23
Can you inbox the main Dr. Osh with legendary rank to confirm it the newbie Dr. Osh is his alt, if not, the newbie account deserves a negative tag to make it more clear that he is not related to the former.
The main user you're mean (Legendary) it seems like inactive for over 1.5 months since Oct 1st. Maybe he didn't know that a very similar account username was registered on 14/11/2022 and posted regularly for several days. But it seems 1 PM for Dr.Osh (Legendary) was enough to let him know.

In this case, your account is an imposter.
Imposter, seems right. People would think it was the same person if they never paid attention to the rank of the two accounts.

 
staff
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November 17, 2022, 02:26:51 PM
#22
I am new to bitcointalk forum. I don't know much about this forum.
I'm not verry sure about your confession, is this your main account or something happened by chance?

Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/drosh-561859

Sorry buddy it's not my account. And I don't have multiple accounts.

In this case, your account is an imposter. Such accounts are created for the purpose of deceiving users or scamming supposedly in the name of the person whose account name the scammer is copying. Such accounts are usually subject to a ban on our forum.

I nuke them when I see them.

Nuked.

Use Report to moderator button next time.

...I ban such accounts almost every day, if you see them, or if they PM you, report them ("Report to moderator" or "Report To Admin" if it's a PM).
legendary
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November 17, 2022, 01:41:21 PM
#21
Thanks DdmrDdmr and Xal0lex for explanation and clarity. It feels good to learn everyday here. Now I have know in details how things work about bans.

I am new to bitcointalk forum. I don't know much about this forum.
I'm not verry sure about your confession, is this your main account or something happened by chance?

Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/drosh-561859




Can you inbox the main Dr. Osh with legendary rank to confirm it the newbie Dr. Osh is his alt, if not, the newbie account deserves a negative tag to make it more clear that he is not related to the former.
legendary
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November 15, 2022, 07:25:07 AM
#20
According to him everything can be done except posting or pm with Auto banned account, in my opinion, if an account is banned, then it is not possible to do anything else with that account. That account becomes trash.

Not necessarily.

Here's an example, Satoshi's account has been technically banned from the forum (he can no longer log into it). I doubt any reasonable person would consider his account trash. Besides, even banned accounts can be reinstated.

legendary
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November 15, 2022, 04:58:56 AM
#19
Sorry buddy it's not my account. And I don't have multiple accounts.
I don't know if your answer is actually valid and credible but something coincidental like this is always a question mark. I can even assume you're impersonating another user even if you have [space] in your username.

According to him everything can be done except posting or pm with Auto banned account, in my opinion, if an account is banned, then it is not possible to do anything else with that account. That account becomes trash.
Temporary ban or autobann are the same, you cannot post and send PM with banned accounts. But you can log in anytime to your account just to watch.
hero member
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November 14, 2022, 11:51:51 PM
#18
Two most common ban reasons are
- Plagiarism
- Ban evasion

Usually the first reason is plagiarism that causes ban on other alt accounts with ban evasion.

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First offence: 7 days
Second offence: 14 days
Third offence: 30 days
Fourth: Permanent ban

Your first ban is your first warning. If you have to be banned for a fourth time it is permanent and you will no longer be allowed to participate on the forum under any accounts. Note: If you are banned on one account then you are not allowed to post under any accounts you own for the duration of your ban. The only exception to this rule is Meta where you can discuss the circumstances of your ban if you wish to do so but anywhere outside of that sub will be considered ban evasion and will get your ban doubled, but it is generally best to just patiently wait out your ban and improve your posts on return and hopefully no further bans will be needed.

Warning: Anyone caught copying other users' posts or plagiarising content from elsewhere on the web will be immediately permabanned. You shouldn't need a warning to know that this isn't acceptable under any circumstances.

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25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]

33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.[e]
newbie
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November 14, 2022, 11:26:33 PM
#17
I am new to bitcointalk forum. I don't know much about this forum.
I'm not verry sure about your confession, is this your main account or something happened by chance?

Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/drosh-561859

Sorry buddy it's not my account. And I don't have multiple accounts.

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Autobans ban the account involved only, you can still log in and do everything normally, just can't post or pm.

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According to him everything can be done except posting or pm with Auto banned account, in my opinion, if an account is banned, then it is not possible to do anything else with that account. That account becomes trash.

staff
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November 14, 2022, 09:27:15 PM
#16
What is AutoBan and how does it differ from Permanent ban?
Does it work as the name implies? Which means no moderator bans you. Maybe the ban is triggered automatically by the system codes? If no, why is it called Autoban?

Here's what theymos says about it:

("Autoban" = lingo indicating a type of ban. They're usually not actually automatic.)

And here is a description of what kinds of bans are present on the forum and how they differ from each other:


There are 2 types of bans.

Autobans. Isn't what it sounds like, it means someone pressed the ban button, but it's automatically carried out, as opposed to be manually entered. Though there is a mod or two running scripts because of the spammers. This results in the message You were banned by a forum moderator, email xxx. Both global mods and admins use this, so it isn't a guarantee it was a moderator, just more likely. I use autoban instead of manual bans for permanent bans because it's faster and more efficient. All bans in the modlog are autobans, and permanent.

Autobans ban the account involved only, you can still log in and do everything normally, just can't post or pm. It also adds units of evil to the IPs used, a new account created using these IPs will need to pay a fee. Units of evil increase with additional bans. Nuking is essentially an autoban+deletion of posts.

Manual bans are only available to admins, and are generally configured the same way as above, though it's possible to increase the scope of the ban to include things like registering from certain emails/providers, ips, subnets, hostnames, etc. Can also add multiple accounts to the same ban. It's also possible to prevent banned users from logging in at all using the banned account, this will prevent them from being able to read the forum and access pm's too though, so I rarely use it. These result in the customized reason for the ban+duration, insubstantial posts or whatever.
legendary
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November 14, 2022, 05:42:27 PM
#15
I am new to bitcointalk forum. I don't know much about this forum.
I'm not verry sure about your confession, is this your main account or something happened by chance?

Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/drosh-561859





Now my question is, if he could not reveal the allegations of theft, why was he banned.
You will get the right answer if the question is clear. I suspect the point of your question is about account being banned due to accusations of changing hands or whatever like this. Is that true?
legendary
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November 14, 2022, 03:49:25 PM
#14
My question is, if you do something wrong with the account, the account will be auto banned.
If a user breaks the forum rules, they would get the punishment for the particular offence, which is also at the discretion of the admin or staff.
Some offences lead to a temporary ban, some to deleted posts, and some to a permanent or autoban.

This usually only applies to newbie members.
AFAIK, it can only apply to newbie members who have an activity of below 30 points. This means that a newbie who has a high activity (30+), but not enough merits to rank up to Jr. Member cannot be nuked.
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