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sr. member
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July 21, 2017, 09:36:26 PM
#9
I'm not sure if that's correct but IMO it makes sense.

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There's ONE reason for a large mining operation to rent capacity in a customer-profitable way: Reduce negative float and let them see a return on their investment sooner. By collecting an upfront rent they get immediate cash,  and the cost of getting that cash early is their profit is reduced  (Shared with the people buying the contracts)  ----  so they could finance a large amount of equipment and other capital costs by selling contracts,  and the contract seller can go home with profit on month 2 or month 3,  instead of month 12;   Whereas the delay to profit is transferred to the buyer of the contract,  And  their profit is small....

The problem is that there is so much demand for cloud mining, and people buy these contracts without regard to profitability and risks --- that they are able to actually sell under terms where the people buying these contracts don't have enough built-in profit to make up for the risk they are taking.

In other words: Cloud mining WOULD make sense,  But  the demand-hype in the marketplace prevents this from happening,  since there are too many other people willing to buy these mining contracts even if they will lose money --- that it is almost impossible to buy a mining contract  that is likely to have high profits for you,  or alternatively,  that guarantees any profit  or offers any protection of your investment against difficulty changes.

TL;DR: Because you giving them money upfront allows them to buy more equipment to get more hashpower. They're basically taking out a loan.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6gbf9x/cloud_mining_is_a_scam/dip4kzu
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6gbf9x/cloud_mining_is_a_scam/dipltwy


Except for, it won't works for newbies who wants to get easy money by investing small amount of bitcoin to cloud mining.
You need at least BTC0,5 to invest on them, make sure the contract mention about how much you get in return and how long your money return fully?



So it is very advisable that newbies must read and not just risk big amounts of money to some blind investments. And from what i have observed, i have not yet seen a legit contract buyer who could really brag own how much they have earned during the period of there contract. Maybe big time contracts had some profit but it really is not a promising business for a long term unless you are the one giving out contracts. To be honest i don't want to risk cloud mining because of some security issues.


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July 21, 2017, 07:59:27 PM
#8
I'm not sure if that's correct but IMO it makes sense.

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There's ONE reason for a large mining operation to rent capacity in a customer-profitable way: Reduce negative float and let them see a return on their investment sooner. By collecting an upfront rent they get immediate cash,  and the cost of getting that cash early is their profit is reduced  (Shared with the people buying the contracts)  ----  so they could finance a large amount of equipment and other capital costs by selling contracts,  and the contract seller can go home with profit on month 2 or month 3,  instead of month 12;   Whereas the delay to profit is transferred to the buyer of the contract,  And  their profit is small....

The problem is that there is so much demand for cloud mining, and people buy these contracts without regard to profitability and risks --- that they are able to actually sell under terms where the people buying these contracts don't have enough built-in profit to make up for the risk they are taking.

In other words: Cloud mining WOULD make sense,  But  the demand-hype in the marketplace prevents this from happening,  since there are too many other people willing to buy these mining contracts even if they will lose money --- that it is almost impossible to buy a mining contract  that is likely to have high profits for you,  or alternatively,  that guarantees any profit  or offers any protection of your investment against difficulty changes.

TL;DR: Because you giving them money upfront allows them to buy more equipment to get more hashpower. They're basically taking out a loan.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6gbf9x/cloud_mining_is_a_scam/dip4kzu
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6gbf9x/cloud_mining_is_a_scam/dipltwy

Of course, you're right about that.
Except for, it won't works for newbies who wants to get easy money by investing small amount of bitcoin to cloud mining.
You need at least BTC0,5 to invest on them, make sure the contract mention about how much you get in return and how long your money return fully?
In my opinion, it's not worth to risk your bitcoin and get small payments every week and require a long time to get your money back, and there is a risk which the owner run away., you can't stop them.
legendary
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July 21, 2017, 07:13:38 PM
#7
I don't know much about cloud mining, and I had heard that many cloud mining services are scams. But I had also heard that there are some legitimate cloud mining services, which rent out their hardwares for their customers to mine Bitcoin.

I have a question: Since mining is profitable, why do those companies rent out their hardwares for other people to mine Bitcoin and don't simply use the hardwares to mine Bitcoin for themselve?
But they will never give ROI for your investment. How cloud mining site works? You just send your money to the scammer as a free loan without interest to make the scammer can cause the business become large than before. As the result, the scammer will be sent you some decimal worth of hashpower.

But your total investment will never be reached due to the maintenance fees. The possible think that you are mining the altcoin which has the low price and in the next week, the price of the coin will have increased some hundreds of percents.  Roll Eyes
legendary
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July 21, 2017, 06:53:41 PM
#6
Well, the buying the coins is a hell of a lot better than renting cloud mining services.
1. No problems with mining equipment.
2. No complications with mining difficulty (which would make cloud mining less effective)
3. You can store them wherever you want on a safe place
4. It's more profitable, since you don't have to wait in order to have these coins actually
However, if you already have mining equipment or you found some cheap rig then it's actually the same...
You got the point i think buying altcoin is much more profitable and you can gain instantly than you are investing in cloud mining site or rent a miner..
Well if you plan to buy almost 2700 euro per mining rig for ethereum 150mh/s or bitcoin miner i think it takes long time before you can recover your investment unlike you are buying a coin sample you buy bitcoin when the price of bitcoin is around $1,800-$1,900 and the price today is $2,700
You already made almost $800-$900 such a large price if just invest 1 btc when the price is low.. past few days and these days we seen the price movement is really fast.. compare just to invest our money to buy a miner that it takes few months before you can recover your investment..
Except if you can build a own custom mining rig..
full member
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July 21, 2017, 02:44:18 PM
#5
Well, the buying the coins is a hell of a lot better than renting cloud mining services.
1. No problems with mining equipment.
2. No complications with mining difficulty (which would make cloud mining less effective)
3. You can store them wherever you want on a safe place
4. It's more profitable, since you don't have to wait in order to have these coins actually
However, if you already have mining equipment or you found some cheap rig then it's actually the same...
hero member
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July 21, 2017, 11:52:16 AM
#4
One reason for cloud mining over mining for a company only is with cloud mining you have guaranteed income on the books that looks better to potential investors or if you are trying to get a loan. It is much harder to prove a stable income when you are only mining and being paid in crypto as its value changes second to second. TryNinja is also correct, it enables you to build out quicker if you have a facility that is in need of more hardware.
sr. member
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July 21, 2017, 07:44:11 AM
#3
I would not dare to give my money to loan to people whom I don't know. Cloud mining too good for the crooks to I trusted them. I think it is better to spend your money to buy equipment than give it to scammers.
legendary
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July 21, 2017, 06:51:37 AM
#2
I'm not sure if that's correct but IMO it makes sense.

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There's ONE reason for a large mining operation to rent capacity in a customer-profitable way: Reduce negative float and let them see a return on their investment sooner. By collecting an upfront rent they get immediate cash,  and the cost of getting that cash early is their profit is reduced  (Shared with the people buying the contracts)  ----  so they could finance a large amount of equipment and other capital costs by selling contracts,  and the contract seller can go home with profit on month 2 or month 3,  instead of month 12;   Whereas the delay to profit is transferred to the buyer of the contract,  And  their profit is small....

The problem is that there is so much demand for cloud mining, and people buy these contracts without regard to profitability and risks --- that they are able to actually sell under terms where the people buying these contracts don't have enough built-in profit to make up for the risk they are taking.

In other words: Cloud mining WOULD make sense,  But  the demand-hype in the marketplace prevents this from happening,  since there are too many other people willing to buy these mining contracts even if they will lose money --- that it is almost impossible to buy a mining contract  that is likely to have high profits for you,  or alternatively,  that guarantees any profit  or offers any protection of your investment against difficulty changes.

TL;DR: Because you giving them money upfront allows them to buy more equipment to get more hashpower. They're basically taking out a loan.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6gbf9x/cloud_mining_is_a_scam/dip4kzu
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/6gbf9x/cloud_mining_is_a_scam/dipltwy
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July 21, 2017, 06:38:30 AM
#1
I don't know much about cloud mining, and I had heard that many cloud mining services are scams. But I had also heard that there are some legitimate cloud mining services, which rent out their hardwares for their customers to mine Bitcoin.

I have a question: Since mining is profitable, why do those companies rent out their hardwares for other people to mine Bitcoin and don't simply use the hardwares to mine Bitcoin for themselve?
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