Topic: Why does the cosmos exist at all? (Read 640 times)

See Scientific proof that God exists? - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322 - in detail to see how science proves that God exists. It might be your opinion that the thread doesn't scientifically prove that God exists.

Before science made the A-bomb work, the A-bomb attempts included science. Atomic fission can change lead into gold - https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-lead-can-be-turned-into-gold/.

A. Science has not shown god exists. Again, that's your opinion.

B. Science eventually did make the A-bomb work, but its never changed lead into gold.

 

No, that's your opinion of what "god" doesn't entail. Science shows that God exists. Politics allows people to not accept anything that they don't want to accept, including science, if they don't want it.

There was a time that the science of nuclear fission didn't make the A-bomb work, because it was faulty. That didn't make it not a science.

A. That's your opinion of what "god" entails. Its not based in anything other than your opinion.

B. Alchemy isn't a science because you can't turn lead into gold.

 

The version of God that nature and the universe shows. Without a lot of thought, nature isn't clear about anything other than the power and knowledge of God. See Scientific proof that God exists? - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322.

Most of today's scientists wouldn't call even alchemy science... much less simple investigation and discovery.

A. Whose version of god? Yours? How are you certain your god is the "real god"? Seems a bit pompous.

B. Yet both still exist and the evolution of knowledge could not have proceeded in any other way.

 

Without God there would be no science... or anything else, for that matter.

Without engineering, science would have died out long ago.

C'mon you cannot be that uneducated.  Without science, there would be no engineering.

What do (ALL) engineers study first, before they study engineering?  Physics, Chemistry, and Math!!!!

Trust me, I know a thing or two about engineering.

Without science, there would be no transistors, no computer chips, no Internet and no bitcoin forum.

Science made it all happen, not your God with his detailed instructions on who to fuck, who to enslave and who to kill.

Wrong!

Technology runs on engineering. Science might have some ideas, but most of the time the engineers have to correct the science ideas to make them work.

Technology runs on science. If it wasn't correct, we wouldn't have things like the internet, planes, refrigerators, or even a printing press to make new bibles. The last thing science is is "a made up story." The scientific method prevents this from happening.

Much of science theory is a made up story, just like religion often seems. Science fact doesn't explain much of anything.

Religion does a worse job of explaining things than science.

If religion is the answer, _which_ religion is it? There's hundreds or even thousands of incompatible religions out there. To believe that your religion is the correct one and all the others are wrong is sheer arrogance. It's more likely that they are all wrong.

^^^ This is where religion steps in. Science isn't close to answering things like these.

The question of why do the cosmos exist could be expanded to "why does anything exist at all?" I think we take for granted that it just does and reality does not need an explanation in order to keep doing its thing.


Really life struggles to survive only because that's a primary feature of evolution, and a product of that is the fear of death. If things weren't afraid to die, their genes would be removed from the gene pool pretty quick.

If given a choice between a suffering existence and nothing, I would choose nothing.

Eternal life in hell for example would definitely not be preferred over nothingness.

This is a pretty deep question to ask lol my guess is to give us perspective on what life really is and what it could be.

Everything exists because the opposite is not existing or nothing. Which is completely alien and unknown to us things that do exist. For instance, life struggles to survive because death is the end of consciousness, or the nothing. Reality is probably the same way, things exist because not existing just sucks. Who or what would want nothing over something? So there you have it.

^^^ How do you know space is a void. Aether theory says that it is a flowing, elastic solid. The ripples and eddies within the aether solid are the things that become our electrons, protons, neutrons, photons, etc.

On this question There is no answer as and on many other! The theme of the creation of the world, the Universe, planets, stars remained, remains and will remain a mystery.
Whatever minds put forward the theory of the creation of the world-it's just a theory and how it was actually unknown to anyone.
Space is just a Void.. The emptiness is endless - it does not fit in my head... The dimensions of this void are Endless... Just endless, you can not fly and fly to some wall - and what next? again infinity... Space is a Mystery and it is the most interesting question for everyone.

God: "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the Matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control, which has led you, inexorably, here."

Me: "Well, I guess I'll just stay here then, Womp Womp!"

^^^ There is a socialistic nature to all of us. But there is a private and personal one, as well.

I had the same question before. I do always wonder what's above us, those things circling, spinning and moving above our heads, what made them? I never asked who, but what. This question I always ask to some of my drinking buddies back then. I ask them when they got drunk, just to be a little bit serious.

But last year was the last time that I asked about it, the answer came from an old man who's my neighbor, and I'm satisfied with his answer. He's an archeologist, retired university professor and a psychologist.

I asked him, what made the entire universe? His answer was:

"If you find an idle and empty land, what will you do to it? There is no way you can sell it because everybody owns it."

What's the connection of your answer with my question, I asked.

"The empty space is already there before the first sentient being became conscious with its surrounding, it might have question its existence, just like us, and it filled the empty space around us."

I do find his theory related to the creation myth of Buddhism, but his answer gave me the satisfaction.

And the stuff that it can't think about, it lumps together in a big fat lump. Then it questions the lump. But it still doesn't understand the answer that the lump gives.

 

I am saying the human mind questions everything

What are you speaking about?

Thanks for your in-depth answer.  I was afraid this thread will derail into this sort of delusional mumbo jumbo.

What sort of intelligence would want to create insignificant primates to love him/her, over the course of billions of years, creating spacetime spanning billions of light years apart? Insecure, low IQ humans perhaps?

More likely than not, our universe was created by a natural process, however the reasons of the infinite series of predicates to this event remain a mystery.  

If the multiverse theory is correct, our universe is a tiny bubble in the infinite large cosmos with infinite number of universes, each one with different physical laws.  Why does the cosmos exist?  It could be that there is an infinite number of cosmoses, etc., which in turn we can call cosmos1, then you can have an infinite number of cosmoses1, which in turn becomes cosmos2 etc. CosmosN is in the sea of cosmosesN that we can call Cosmos', etc.

Do you get the picture?  I am thinking that there is no answer because it is infinite any way you look at it.

Here is a good vid about infinities:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Szd6RBsWntg

I simply answered your question. Why does God exist? To make and love us. The cosmos is all part of that love.

BB and BC is something that nobody knows ever happened anywhere except in the lab.

We could always ask questions for whatever happens. If nothing exists, the question would be, "how come nothing ever exists?" Of course, there would be no one to ask that question, but philosophically speaking, the question would be a mystery.

Is it more probable for nothing to exist at all than it is for at least something to exist?

Dig deeper.  I did not ask what the 'God idea' gives you.

Why does cosmos (not just our universe) exist? Or does it?

If our universe is all there is, and it goes through endless cycles of Big Bangs and Big Crunches, why does it exist at all?

To make and love us... for His own enjoyment and glory, and for ours.

"The obvious question to you then is: why does God exist?"


That's a question for you to answer for yourself, any external answer to that question would be meaningless.

Learn to meditate
or you can hack your brain with psychedelics if you are impatient.

The obvious question to you then is: why does God exist?

“You are right, it is a bit ignorant of me to ask the why question.  But still, I wonder.

The true infinity concept is hard to grasp and the best I can come up with there cannot be the why because the cosmos is infinite and there never can be anything outside of it, by definition.

Still, why the fuck does it exist?

To rephrase the question:
1. For religious people: Why does God exist? What created it?  What created the creator of the creator etc., into infinity?
2. For non-religious people: Why does nature (cosmos) exist (in this and all other universes)?

I cannot see any answer that would make sense. “




It is not ignorant to ask the question why; it is human nature, a function of our gorgeously complex brains.

I was trying be respectful by keeping the religious "mumbo jumbo" out but I'm a believer so here goes...
1.
What if god IS everything and has always been.

In many religious texts the word used to describe god is "ineffable".

“God said to Moses, ‘I AM who I AM.’ And he said, ‘Say this to the people of Israel, I AM has sent me to you’” (Ex. 3:14).
In The Bhagavad Gita god tells prince Arjuna that there is NO way to stray from god and that god is whatever manifestation you need god to be at that time.

Every revision of religion seems to be god trying to have a relationship with people in whichever way they can relate to "the ineffable" ---or a way for humans to answer “why” to a question that doesn’t have an answer because we don’t even know enough yet to ask the right ones.
As humans we are still discovering our environment, what we know so far may not even be 1% of what we need to know to learn another 1% (we don't know :-)

2.
Mechanistic function of natural laws (the least and most exciting answer)

You did not answer the question.  You just introduced the programmer into the picture.  The question still remains unanswered.

You are right, it is a bit ignorant of me to ask the why question.  But still, I wonder.

The true infinity concept is hard to grasp and the best I can come up with there cannot be the why because the cosmos is infinite and there never can be anything outside of it, by definition.

Still, why the fuck does it exist?

To rephrase the question:
1. For religious people: Why does God exist? What created it?  What created the creator of the creator etc., into infinity?
2. For non-religious people: Why does nature (cosmos) exist (in this and all other universes)?

I cannot see any answer that would make sense.  

The type of thinking that it would take to understand the whys of the Programmer, is something that would twist the mind all out of shape, and probably destroy it.

Find a wrong point in what I said and explain why it is wrong... other than that it was said extremely simply.

Assuming that everything you said is correct (which it is not, but it does not matter) and the programmer exists, why does the programmer exist?  That was my question.

However, everything acts according to cause and effect, perfectly, from macrocosm to microcosm. We have found nothing that doesn't act according to cause and effect.

What I mean is, if an electron or any other particle was bumped by its cause(s) in slightly a different way, it would act differently, producing different results, and the universe would act differently. Why? Because all the other particles act just as they act because they were bumped just exactly as they were bumped. And whatever bumped them, bumped them just exactly like they did... all the way back to the start of the whole thing.

The point is that the whole universe acts like it is programmed. We barely see the programming - try tracking an electron the same way you tag and track a dear in the woods.

Since it is programming, there must have been some kind of programmer. The programmer must be extremely knowledgeable and capable to program something like the universe.

You may call it by whatever name u like creation , God or Supernatural power ,nothing or something anything you can quote about it ,but as far as  humane mind goes beyond  ,questions will attach to it that is humane tendency ,but answer is already hidden in your reply that cosmos just exists without any reason and nobody has created it and my opinion also match with your statement. Space and time also discovered by humane being ,other creatures who do not know the concept of space and time they are just living, without  its knowledge .

Given infinity, something that could possibly exist would exist.

Something that could not possibly exist would never exist.

Can something exist outside of time? The question creates an assumption that time is finite. If time is finite, and if there happens to be something that always exists, it would therefore exist outside of time.

However if time is infinite, then nothing could exist outside of time, even for something that always exists. It would just exist along an infinite timeline.

Or
We are a collective consciousness that is only projecting materiel reality.
Or
You are only a thought in your own head and the only thing that exists :-)

Why does there have to be a why?
We could be speck on a petri dish or the mechanistic function of natural laws.

I personally like : multiverses where everything that has happened or will happen in every variation already exists.
Forms of existence that have endlessly variable laws of physics.

Ok, I was not asking about why the Big Bang happened.  It was a natural process that started this creation of spacetime and expansion of energy.  That is not the question.

I was asking why the "pitch dark all around" existed at all, as you put it.

If our universe came from "nothing" or "something", why this "nothing" or "something" existed at all.

This, of course, is hard to imagine as there was no time before the BB for something to exist in.  

I am curious about the cosmos beyond our universe if there is one, why it exists at all.

Maybe first we have to answer if anything can exist without time?

This  is a  question yet to be known because  scientists are still under the progress to know why cosmos exist and  what were the reasons behind it ,Bing bang theory is the prove of it  .In broader sense we want to know the reason for origination of it which is in scientific world is still a mystery .In my opinion there was a pitch dark all around and after a sudden explosion due to interior activities this pitch dark object smashed into pieces fell apart and gradually it taken the shapes of different galaxies stars ,planets spaces to which we call cosmos today.

Variation seems to be favored over uniformity. Different universes, different stars, different planets, different species etc.

If no cosmos exist, there is zero variation.

  I am of the opinion that cosmos  was existing from million years ,it is existing and will exist forever.
And it has no reason as you stated also,it just does.

Let's stick to the why does it exist question.

Let's not bring supernatural or God constructs as this complicates the picture and raises more "what it is" and "how it was created" questions.

You have touched upon the real question every humane mind is on research what is this cosmos all about ,why it exit ,if any  superpower behind it or it is just created without any intervention of anybody? Multiverse or a single universe no body has proof that is why athiest call it a supernatural power and thiest call a superpower God has created this mysterious cosmos.

Perception is reality.

Does the cosmos actually exist or is it a figment of our collective perception?  I'm merely asking the question, because I don't know the answer.  Do I need to know the answer?  Does the answer change anything?

Lets go the other way, and ask a similar questions about the "micro-cosmos."  What force keeps the electrons and protons orbiting the nucleus of an atom, and why?

There is so much humanity has learned about our own existence, and the existence of the universe, but it's infinitesimal compared to how much more we can learn.  Learning usually leads to an understanding how little we know, and opens up even more questions.  Just keep learning, and not only you, but all humanity benefits.  

This question is for some heavy thinkers.

The multiverse theory is probably correct.  Many-Worlds Interpretation is also probably correct as well.
Talk about infinities!!!

But the bigger question is why, not how, the cosmos exists at all?

I've been thinking about it lately and the only explanation I can come up is that there no reason.  It just does.

What do you guys think?

PS. Please refrain from posting your religious mambo jumbo. I am talking about the cosmos, not just our universe.  Why is it there?