Why don't we have a point system for bad posts? - page 2.

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Quote from: mk4 on April 05, 2019, 10:22:38 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on April 05, 2019, 08:47:36 AM

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Sometimes you just come across posts that are bad enough, that you just wish you could do something.

This is what the report to moderator button is for.

Well, occasionally, there would definitely be some posts that aren't necessarily report-worthy, but you simply just disagree on; especially for the more debatable and more controversial topics(like the big/small blocks topic). But yea, I don't think a sort of de-merit system would work. I'd just prefer that people would school/call-out the craptalkers. We all know how easily a sort of downvote system can be abused, as evident on Reddit.

The merit system is not for posts you agree with. It is for posts that are objectively high quality, or to otherwise draw attention to the post because it deserves reading.

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Quote from: stompix on April 05, 2019, 07:46:07 AM

And how would your system work?

We're going to have ~~shit~~ sources that could mark shit posts? How do you earn credits to tag a post as useless spam?
Or would anyone get those for free, and it will turn into a war where the one with more accounts will win the battle?
What is going to be the effect on an account getting points after points?
How are you going to prevent people from using these as a weapon, especially in Politics and in the Altcoins boards?

Okay, I clearly didn't think this through. Using these points for retaliation would completely destroy such a system.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on April 05, 2019, 08:36:41 AM

I've never come across a post that was so bad that it couldn't be reported to the mods. Usually if it's a shitpost that's exceedingly bad, I'll report it and put the member on ignore so I never have to read another piece of shit post by him again and yes, there are some posts I read where afterward I want to get my time back from the member for having wasted it on nonsense.

So, just because I'm curious, would it be okay to report someone if they're just posting generic 1 sentence replies to threads?
I recently came across someone like that (can't remember the profile) & I thought it wasn't worth reporting because their replies were vaguely on-topic.
Also, if I did report all the post, I'd have to report around 300 posts, since they were all pretty much the same.

Again, after seeing these replies, it's not a good idea indeed.

Edit:

Found the profile I was talking about, by going through my browser history.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/noaamable-1066957

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Quote from: Quickseller on April 05, 2019, 08:47:36 AM

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Sometimes you just come across posts that are bad enough, that you just wish you could do something.

This is what the report to moderator button is for.

Well, occasionally, there would definitely be some posts that aren't necessarily report-worthy, but you simply just disagree on; especially for the more debatable and more controversial topics(like the big/small blocks topic). But yea, I don't think a sort of de-merit system would work. I'd just prefer that people would school/call-out the craptalkers. We all know how easily a sort of downvote system can be abused, as evident on Reddit.

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It's something that will surely be misused by people, either because they don't agree with the poster or they don't like him/her.
In the opposite, you can merit some posts that you disagree with and I do because despite that I find the post constructive to the conversation.
There can also be a social impact. Someone might feel excluded because he/she received bad points. This can go so far that the user no longer dares to post or hesitate.
If a "bad post" need to be controlled, we have the "report" button as mentioned above.

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Sometimes you just come across posts that are bad enough, that you just wish you could do something.

This is what the report to moderator button is for.

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Quote from: eternalgloom on April 05, 2019, 07:30:08 AM

Sometimes you just come across posts that are bad enough, that you just wish you could do something.
Not all posts that fall into this category are suitable to be reported and the trust system also isn't the right way to deal with them.

I've never come across a post that was so bad that it couldn't be reported to the mods. Usually if it's a shitpost that's exceedingly bad, I'll report it and put the member on ignore so I never have to read another piece of shit post by him again and yes, there are some posts I read where afterward I want to get my time back from the member for having wasted it on nonsense.

This has indeed been proposed before, several times if I'm not mistaken. The idea of demerits was floated shortly after the introduction of the merit system and at least once in the months afterward. I've definitely seen it and similar ideas brought up before. Theymos obviously doesn't want to create something like that, so it's not likely to happen. Sorry, OP.

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I don't think such system will work, and I doubt the forum really needs it right now (stompix stated few good reasons).
The most suitable thing to do is to ignore shitposters, it works like a charm.

I know you want a system to "punish" shitposters... Well, a user who have been here for long time and received 0 merit is a shitposter and is being punished by not being able to rank up.

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I appreciate your proposal and the idea behind it but the effect would be the opposite of what you are trying to implement. This would be very destructive and counter-productive especially that this can be an area for abuse, especially for newbies. Furthermore, this can actually cascade into toxicity around the forum community if such proposal were to be implemented.

Besides, let's face it: it is relatively easier to hate someone/something than to like them/it. The distribution of merits would be overshadowed by an amount of people disliking posts in the forum.

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Posts that are getting debunked receive comments [instead of a demerit] mostly where a good comment will receive merit.
May i see only red demerits i would rather read the reason with a post why and merit it.

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I think the system would be abuse even more then the merit system is been abuse. What will be the criteria for a post to be marked as a bad one or will it be based on the readers opinion, in this case the moment you come into some kind of disagreement with another forum user he might turn to that point system to get back out you leading to the abuse of the system.
When it comes to post rating on forums (which I think your suggestion is kind of implying), the negative feature are mostly been abuse then the positive ones. That's why I don't think the system will be useful. The report button for bad and merit button for good posts are working just fine.

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And how would your system work?

We're going to have ~~shit~~ sources that could mark shit posts? How do you earn credits to tag a post as useless spam?
Or would anyone get those for free, and it will turn into a war where the one with more accounts will win the battle?
What is going to be the effect on an account getting points after points?
How are you going to prevent people from using these as a weapon, especially in Politics and in the Altcoins boards?

eternalgloom

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Sometimes you just come across posts that are bad enough, that you just wish you could do something.
Not all posts that fall into this category are suitable to be reported and the trust system also isn't the right way to deal with them.

Given that you can now give good posts merits, I think there should be something similar for bad posts.
I'm talking about a completely separate point system, which can be used for bad posts that do not necessarily break any rules.

I'm not sure if this has already been proposed in the past, I couldn't exactly find anything with the search function.

I have found LoyceV's thread about a deMerit system, but I don't think that's quite the same as what I'm proposing.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/loycevs-demerit-source-application-5033455

So, I'm not proposing to implement something to remove merit points from someone, I'm proposing to add a separate point system

Why a separate system instead of a deMerit system?
Because then it becomes much more visible to see which users often make bad posts. With a deMerit system, the merit points would just disappear without anyone noticing right away.

Just some food for thought, let me know if there's something wrong with this proposal.

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