Why Gavin is so desperate about his fork? Is he hiding something? - page 17.

Carlton Banks

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Quote from: JackH on August 17, 2015, 10:46:05 AM

meono why did you join this forum 14 days ago and have predominantly posted in XT related posts? It seems a bit weird that all you can do is to push the XT agenda. Where were you in the past 4 years? What makes you the expert? Do you have another account? Are you a dev?

Have a look at it's sig.

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Quote from: JackH on August 17, 2015, 10:46:05 AM

meono why did you join this forum 14 days ago and have predominantly posted in XT related posts? It seems a bit weird that all you can do is to push the XT agenda. Where were you in the past 4 years? What makes you the expert? Do you have another account? Are you a dev?

Others have called my Gavin.

But none of what you ask matters if you want to counter my points.

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meono why did you join this forum 14 days ago and have predominantly posted in XT related posts? It seems a bit weird that all you can do is to push the XT agenda. Where were you in the past 4 years? What makes you the expert? Do you have another account? Are you a dev?

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Quote from: RoadTrain on August 17, 2015, 10:39:35 AM

Quote from: desired_username on August 17, 2015, 08:11:27 AM

Even if people upgraded to XT, hearn wouldn't have more control than any other devs.

The code is opensource. Normally, Devs can only propose ways, and the community can decide what turn to take.

Currently most posts and comments that go against Blockstream/Core devs are being censored on forums owned by theymos.

I think the sole reason behind the creation of Blockstream was to control bitcoin development.

Wrong, he would. You have made contradictory statements.

As you are implying, currently core devs have clearly more control over Bitcoin code than Gavin and Mike. If the latter two succeed with their fork, then XT becomes the real Bitcoin. As many of core devs leave (they have stated they likely will), the Bitcoin code gets under control of Gavin and Mike.

Of course, if they start malicious activity in the open, someone will notice, and some action will likely be taken. But it's not the only way to undermine Bitcoin -- you can engineer trivially looking patches that introduce actual weaknesses which almost noone can notice until it's too late.

I'm not implying they will necessarily act maliciously, I'm pointing out the fact that if they do, it can go unnoticed. There are very few people with enough expertise...

Good point, you should start by looking at Lighting Network and Blockstream first.

You know the one thats already in the work instead of your hypothetical scenario.

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Quote from: desired_username on August 17, 2015, 08:11:27 AM

Even if people upgraded to XT, hearn wouldn't have more control than any other devs.

The code is opensource. Normally, Devs can only propose ways, and the community can decide what turn to take.

Currently most posts and comments that go against Blockstream/Core devs are being censored on forums owned by theymos.

I think the sole reason behind the creation of Blockstream was to control bitcoin development.

Wrong, he would. You have made contradictory statements.

As you are implying, currently core devs have clearly more control over Bitcoin code than Gavin and Mike. If the latter two succeed with their fork, then XT becomes the real Bitcoin. As many of core devs leave (they have stated they likely will), the Bitcoin code gets under control of Gavin and Mike.

Of course, if they start malicious activity in the open, someone will notice, and some action will likely be taken. But it's not the only way to undermine Bitcoin -- you can engineer trivially looking patches that introduce actual weaknesses which almost noone can notice until it's too late.

I'm not implying they will necessarily act maliciously, I'm pointing out the fact that if they do, it can go unnoticed. There are very few people with enough expertise to notice that, and most of them work for your odious Blockstream...

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Quote from: AGD on August 17, 2015, 01:15:58 AM

Since this XT drama began, I was wondering about Gavins desperate efford to force bigger blocksize, even after he obv. realized, that there is a strong resistance against this fork. I mean, he could have simply stepped back and wait for the right time to come up with his idea again. When the current blocksize really turns out to be problematic, then he would have a majority and a consensus.

Instead he is knowingly dividing/weakening the Bitcoin community (incl. himself) for his idea.

This behaviour doesn't seem appropriate to me. Is there something more behind it, than just a larger blocksize?

It seems to me he wants Bitcoin to be viable as a currency, while a lot of others see it fine as a commodity and used for trade of larger purchases. His push for larger blocks seems like he wants to be able to say Bitcoin can handle as many tx/s as visa and one day see it happen.

I think it is just passion not malice.

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In Satoshi I Trust

Quote from: ?? on ??

As if you actually give a shit about bitcoin. We all know you're a terrible troll.

I urge anyone who joined in conversation with this troll to read his post history. I dont believe he actually has any bitcoins to begin with

good point. OP is indeed a troll.

Carlton Banks

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Who wouldn't trust a man with such a sincere smile? Cheesy

(tip for you, Gavin, see if you can get your whole face to smile, instead of just your teeth)

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Quote from: DooMAD on August 17, 2015, 07:34:07 AM

Quote from: Carlton Banks on August 17, 2015, 07:18:49 AM

Quote from: DooMAD on August 17, 2015, 06:24:20 AM

Quote from: AGD on August 17, 2015, 01:15:58 AM

Since this XT drama began, I was wondering about Gavins desperate efford to force bigger blocksize, even after he obv. realized, that there is a strong resistance against this fork. I mean, he could have simply stepped back and wait for the right time to come up with his idea again. When the current blocksize really turns out to be problematic, then he would have a majority and a consensus.

Instead he is knowingly dividing/weakening the Bitcoin community (incl. himself) for his idea.

This behaviour doesn't seem appropriate to me. Is there something more behind it, than just a larger blocksize?

The only "desperation" I'm seeing is people like you trying to stifle discussion and debate.

What, by starting a thread? That's kind of like the opposite of stifling debate, it's almost as if it's promoting or inviting debate Roll Eyes

One thing that I take a great deal of comfort from from this XT nonsense; almost none of the so-called supporters are credible members of the forum, most come across as the usual sock puppets. I suspect that very low numbers of real people actually support GavinMikeCoin.

If it was a thread to discuss the pros and cons of an 8mb blocksize, then maybe (but we have enough of those already). Instead, this is another attempt at character assassination because people would rather talk about the personalities involved than the actual issues. By all means keep shifting the argument when you hit a wall, people aren't blind, they do notice and it doesn't do your cause any favours.

Saying that Mike Hearn cannot be trusted isn't shifting the argument, it is the argument

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Quote from: balu2 on August 17, 2015, 09:38:56 AM

Quote from: meono on August 17, 2015, 09:33:16 AM

Perfect example of the IQ of these BitcoinXT bashers.

Congratulations, you reached the bottom:

Say the guy who like to call anyone with opposite opinion: shills, trolls.

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Quote from: meono on August 17, 2015, 09:33:16 AM

Perfect example of the IQ of these BitcoinXT bashers.

Congratulations, you reached the bottom:

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Quote from: ChairmanAtlas on August 17, 2015, 07:53:26 AM

Mike has deep associations with a company called Google, a company that has deep ties to the US Government.

Gavin himself was accepted to present Bitcoin to the CIA early in its history.

These two men are divorcing from the main project to create a project they will likely majorly control, with these governmental connections likely used as fuel.

Does your vision of Bitcoin involve deep cooperation with the US Government?

Perfect example of the IQ of these BitcoinXT bashers.

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Quote from: Zz on August 17, 2015, 07:21:57 AM

Quote from: Carlton Banks on August 17, 2015, 07:18:49 AM

One thing that I take a great deal of comfort from from this XT nonsense; almost none of the so-called supporters are credible members of the forum, most come across as the usual sock puppets. I suspect that very low numbers of real people actually support GavinMikeCoin.

This. I've never seen a reputable member who switched their node from Core to XT. Still XT-lovers brag about their mining power.

LOL because reputable members are long gone from this forum (such as Eric Evoorhees who speak loudly against Thermos' action btw). And most of the rest are sold accounts.

Gotta laugh at the "reputable member" tho,

Bitcoin has gone from merits of idea to authority figure. If you like politics, bitcoin is the worst option

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the BTC was created to make money for a bunch of people. "Satoshi" is a fictional person which represent a group of people who are coming from the e-currency industry(e-gold, Osgold and so on).

They created a nice story which was "eated" by the hungry hipsters and done... here we are

The fact that Gavin wants to created another BTC (ALTCOIN) to have MORE control over it, it's normal (it seems there is a "girls-fight" between the BTC "core owners" nowadays:) ) . The people are greedy and wants more and more...

You didn't ever ask yourself, what are the relations between the main developers, exchangers and merchants. Who is behind the curtain?.

Just make a simple search regarding to the main exchangers like CoinBase, Bitstamp, BTC China, Ripple.
SatoshiDICE (owns more than 50% from the existing BTC

) and many others. You will find the SAME people ash shareholders.

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Quote from: ChairmanAtlas on August 17, 2015, 07:53:26 AM

Mike has deep associations with a company called Google, a company that has deep ties to the US Government.

Gavin himself was accepted to present Bitcoin to the CIA early in its history.

These two men are divorcing from the main project to create a project they will likely majorly control, with these governmental connections likely used as fuel.

Does your vision of Bitcoin involve deep cooperation with the US Government?

Disinformation.

Even if people upgraded to XT, hearn wouldn't have more control than any other devs.

The code is opensource. Normally, Devs can only propose ways, and the community can decide what turn to take.

Currently most posts and comments that go against Blockstream/Core devs are being censored on forums owned by theymos.

I think the sole reason behind the creation of Blockstream was to control bitcoin development.

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Mike has deep associations with a company called Google, a company that has deep ties to the US Government.

Gavin himself was accepted to present Bitcoin to the CIA early in its history.

These two men are divorcing from the main project to create a project they will likely majorly control, with these governmental connections likely used as fuel.

Does your vision of Bitcoin involve deep cooperation with the US Government?

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I wonder what Gavin Andresen think about these discussions considering he's probably the only person that knows Satoshi's real identity.

coinableS

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Gavin genuinely seems like a nice person. I think he's being pushed. Hearn seems like a genuinely dick-ish person.
In one interview when talking about the blocksize with Gavin and Mike, Gavin says "some people are pushing me to be more of a dictator". Mike smiles, takes a sip of his beer, nods his head and points to himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIafZXRDH7w&feature=youtu.be&t=1672

Gavin needs to distance himself from Hearn and return to core development if he wants to remain a part of bitcoin. This wild cowboy forking XT bullshit is dangerous and is only going to taint his name. Get out now Gavin, while you still can!

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Leave no FUD unchallenged

Quote from: Carlton Banks on August 17, 2015, 07:18:49 AM

Quote from: DooMAD on August 17, 2015, 06:24:20 AM

Quote from: AGD on August 17, 2015, 01:15:58 AM

Since this XT drama began, I was wondering about Gavins desperate efford to force bigger blocksize, even after he obv. realized, that there is a strong resistance against this fork. I mean, he could have simply stepped back and wait for the right time to come up with his idea again. When the current blocksize really turns out to be problematic, then he would have a majority and a consensus.

Instead he is knowingly dividing/weakening the Bitcoin community (incl. himself) for his idea.

This behaviour doesn't seem appropriate to me. Is there something more behind it, than just a larger blocksize?

The only "desperation" I'm seeing is people like you trying to stifle discussion and debate.

What, by starting a thread? That's kind of like the opposite of stifling debate, it's almost as if it's promoting or inviting debate Roll Eyes

One thing that I take a great deal of comfort from from this XT nonsense; almost none of the so-called supporters are credible members of the forum, most come across as the usual sock puppets. I suspect that very low numbers of real people actually support GavinMikeCoin.

If it was a thread to discuss the pros and cons of an 8mb blocksize, then maybe (but we have enough of those already). Instead, this is another attempt at character assassination because people would rather talk about the personalities involved than the actual issues. By all means keep shifting the argument when you hit a wall, people aren't blind, they do notice and it doesn't do your cause any favours.

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Quote from: AGD on August 17, 2015, 01:15:58 AM

Since this XT drama began, I was wondering about Gavins desperate efford to force bigger blocksize, even after he obv. realized, that there is a strong resistance against this fork. I mean, he could have simply stepped back and wait for the right time to come up with his idea again. When the current blocksize really turns out to be problematic, then he would have a majority and a consensus.

Instead he is knowingly dividing/weakening the Bitcoin community (incl. himself) for his idea.

This behaviour doesn't seem appropriate to me. Is there something more behind it, than just a larger blocksize?

It's not about blocksize, it's about taking it over of course.

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