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Topic: Why hasn't the porn industry jumped on bitcoin yet? - page 2. (Read 2756 times)

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you have protection against shady merchants by initiating chargebacks.

The opposite is true also. As a former affiliate I experienced things like 3 month chargebacks (and even heard of 5 month charged back)  or that customers charging back immediately after they got refunded. As far as I know the CC companies allow only a 1.5% chargeback rate or hefty fines apply. Not to mention that the CC system is insecure by design and it is the merchant who has to take the risk.
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Because of volatility. Also, most merchants that have adopted Bitcoin has not been a success. Very little customers are using Bitcoin, it is still a niche market and will remain so for the foreseeable future.
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Any business accepting BTC makes Bitcoin stronger and vice versa. I encourage all porn sites to start accepting Bitcoin.

No, not vice-versa. Bitcoin is a currency to a merchant that's going to use them. It makes no difference how strong Bitcoin is, because the only way widespread merchant adoption is going to happen is if merchants have the ability to near-instantly cash out of bitcoins into a currency they can use for things like taxes, legal salaries, and so on.

I can confidently say that I'd accept sheep as payment if I could convert them quickly and painlessly into USD. Same with bitcoins. How strong the sheep market or bitcoin market is just doesn't matter to a merchant though, as the merchant isn't going to hold onto those sheep or bitcoin.


Merchant accepting BTC don't pay 3% to Visa/Amex etc, and transactions are non-reversible so merchant don't get cheated even when selling to Nigeria.
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Common use-case: buy prepaid credit card for bitcoins and pay for nearly anything with it (including porn).
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Any business accepting BTC makes Bitcoin stronger and vice versa. I encourage all porn sites to start accepting Bitcoin.

No, not vice-versa. Bitcoin is a currency to a merchant that's going to use them. It makes no difference how strong Bitcoin is, because the only way widespread merchant adoption is going to happen is if merchants have the ability to near-instantly cash out of bitcoins into a currency they can use for things like taxes, legal salaries, and so on.

I can confidently say that I'd accept sheep as payment if I could convert them quickly and painlessly into USD. Same with bitcoins. How strong the sheep market or bitcoin market is just doesn't matter to a merchant though, as the merchant isn't going to hold onto those sheep or bitcoin.
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How would they choose between bitcoin, litecoin, ppcoin, opencoin and who knows what else might come out...
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Any business accepting BTC makes Bitcoin stronger and vice versa. I encourage all porn sites to start accepting Bitcoin.
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you have protection against shady merchants by initiating chargebacks.

Humour me - how would you be at risk of charge back from a bitcoin merchant? Indeed, the lack of charge back may be why porn sites are not head over heels to accept bitcoin.

You aren't. You have protection against a shady merchant as a consumer when paying with a credit card as you can initiate a chargeback if you're not happy with what you received. Without a signature attached to a sale (either at the point of sale, such as in a retail store, or upon delivery of a physical item), it is very easy to just chargeback an item in the first 6 months after you've purchased it. With bitcoin, the merchant has all the power once you've given the merchant your bitcoins.

Porn sites (and any site selling things without a required signature or proof of delivery) would love to not have to worry about chargebacks from upset customers, or from customers whose kids 'borrowed' their credit cards. The trouble is, it's a pain in the butt to use bitcoins as a consumer currently, and it's a pain in the butt to accept them currently and then convert them into a usable currency.

Further, in a business like porn, your costs are in customer acquisition. If you can solve the customer acquisition problem, the 3% that credit cards take don't really matter compared to how important it is to make the payment process easy for the customer.
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The porn industry likes credit cards because you can get someone locked into a subscription, and milk them for cash for a very long time (through making it hard to cancel subscriptions, hoping the customer will be too embarassed to call the cc company for chargebacks, the customer being to lazy to cancel subscription, etc)

The subscription model doesn't really work with bitcoin because the customer can stop paying whenever they want.
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As soon as Mustang Convertibles can be had for BTC the porn industry will switch.



Porsche sold for bitcoins recently.  See http://www.businessinsider.com/texas-family-we-sold-this-porsche-last-night-for-300-bitcoins-2013-4

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Would you advise new adult website startups to accept Bitcoin?
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you have protection against shady merchants by initiating chargebacks.

Humour me - how would you be at risk of charge back from a bitcoin merchant? Indeed, the lack of charge back may be why porn sites are not head over heels to accept bitcoin.
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I saw a  porn website last night that use bitcoins,dont ask me the name cause don´t remenber, but definitly the whole industry should move to Bitcoin

Why? To make it harder for people to buy porn? A credit card is about 100x easier and you have protection against shady merchants by initiating chargebacks.
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I saw a  porn website last night that use bitcoins,dont ask me the name cause don´t remenber, but definitly the whole industry should move to Bitcoin


Too dirty to admit to?   Cheesy
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I think porn companies would be very wary of accepting bitcoins for two reasons: The first being that the tech savvy people who use bitcoins probably all already know how to get good porn for free, and how to easily pirate all the good non-free stuff. The second reason is that the porn industry in the past decade or so has been a repeated target for the U.S. government over "obscene" content. I don't think many companies out there would be willing to go out and accept an untraceable currency with limited benefit under this much scrutiny.
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I saw a  porn website last night that use bitcoins,dont ask me the name cause don´t remenber, but definitly the whole industry should move to Bitcoin
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Interesting Question i asked myself the same. I think its mainly because of the volatality of price. And or the missing of way to fully automate the process to exchange btc to USD in realtime with 99.99% reliability. And this would of course have one prerequisite: a super reliable exchange. And again we are at Mtgox...
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but by the time the confirmation came through, you would have lost interest, or jacked it to something else by then  Grin

Zero confirmations is fairly instant, isn't it? I doubt that double spends would be very frequent.
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but by the time the confirmation came through, you would have lost interest, or jacked it to something else by then  Grin
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Oddly enough I actually met a guy in the porn industry a few nights ago, and I told him the same thing.

1) put full length movies on a tube site
2) after a minute or two, stop the movie and offer them the full thing for $0.50 or something
3) unlock the movie on zero confirmations
4) profit!

People only use tube sites nowadays, paying $30/month for pay sites is basically over, but I can see people giving micropayments for the rest of a video that they're interested in.
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