The problem is not about price speculation up or down with futures, it's about what futures represent in face of the crypto community, these people are not friends of crypto and the problem at hand is that emotion based manipulation will exhaust the community, this is a psychological operation intended to strike at the weakpoint of the link/blockchain; the human factor, which is easily corruptible given enough time and energy. The entire bogus Bitcoincash circus could have been a test to measure crowd psychology and look for weakpoints and exploit them, it was a highly coordinated maneuver, many of these industry guys are also military background/connections.
my viewpoint:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/prediction-of-bitcoin-price-within-2-weeks-and-following-2-years-2515687The mentality of the crypto community is not battle ready against these sharks, been there 10 years ago and seen guys like Fischer suck the soul out of small investors and traders. They already have millions of coins available otherwise this setup wouldn't happen, this is going to be shorted for years and volatility will be an emotional rollercoaster that this community is not prepared for based on what I see, many people will lose alot of money by falling into the emotional manipulation of wall street, this is their home base. and so what if their shorting fails? slap some congress regulation on it then problem solved for good, unlike china/russia the west dont want to play their real dictator hand without using soft power first, some speculate futures is used to prime sentiment for regulation, entirely plausible, to regulate haphazardly out of the blue would concentrate overt anti establishment sentiment and risk catalyzing crypto as a vehicle of popular rebellion which its anonymous/evasive features encourages.
My advice?
you need to organize yourself, step 1: voting on the block chain, noone in this community asked for futures, you are being handled by the owners at this point going forward, good luck and good night.
one more thing on the US restrictions that we observe on many exchanges, I don't know the entire reason for US person restriction, but I do know that CIA is not allowed to execute Psyops on its own population. Exchanges are facing intense government scrutiny recently and one request may be to exclude US persons for this reason, without declaring it openly of course.
Not sure what you mean by regulation here. Sure they can regulate futures markets because that is wall st but futures markets have nothing to do with bitcoin itself other than just going off the price of Bitcoin markets. They can regulate US exchanges to have KYC and AML and make the exchanges hand over tax information sure okay thats fine nothing really wrong with that. They're not gonna ban Bitcoin itself, this isn't China. Not sure how else you think they can regulate Bitcoin. Seems like just a bunch of doom and gloom.
And even if the futures investors buy up a bunch of bitcoin to try to continually crash the price to make futures shorts work, its gonna get harder and harder as time goes on because of user adoption of Bitcoin increasing so much. As we've seen in the last two corrections, buy pressure is so strong these corrections no longer last 6 weeks like they did earlier this year, now they last barely a week before buy pressure pushes the price back to new all time highs. Eventually Wall St will realize that while they can control markets in which they ARE the market, its gonna be a lot harder to control a global market where literally anyone can participate and that is gaining adoption by the hundreds of thousands of user every few days.
I don't know about all of you, but I certainly won't be selling a single satoshi at these super low prices. We're heading to 6 digits, cash settled futures ain't doing nothing to stop that.
Regulation falls heavy on merchants and business dependant on physical land based locations (such as grocery stores/casinos/real estate etc) where methods of enforcement are easy and proven to be effective. The regulatory body cooperates with many different agencies to enforce on multiple levels in different parts of society, it's all intervowen, EU follows US in these things, always. I'm thinking Liberty Coin scenario, and it certainly will put more conservatie affluent demographics into Jim Rickards line of thinking which isn't unreasonable in face of regulatory pressures and all the other things surrounding mainly bitcoin.
It's not hard to control a global market using a combination of agencies in cooperation (there are many multilateral agencies for precisely this purpose), the human factor is the weakest link and easily influenced, citizens will be unable to decouple from the current situation without any means of counter mobilization, to governments around the world the crypto space right now is a blonde girl with big tits who just turned 18 and moved out of her parents house. I really see no successful long term outcome whereas bitcoin is concerned, newer blockchains will bridge the utility factor that bitcoin severely lacks which could be enough to activate citizens in face of future "coups" without the need for deeper organized movements (think net neutrality movement). Huge swathes of the population were sidelined by bitcoins meteoric rise, don't underestimate "skadeglädje" as a psychological concept, noone will run to
bitcoins defense.
Once you slap money laundering/terrorism on bitcoin it's all over, social sentiments far outweigh utility unless there is a gigantic depression-like market crash forcing a public rush into crypto. I would say our problems in this scenario falls closer on some kind of large scale insurrection/multi nation war scenario which for sure goverments are used to handling and swiftly reigns in any home brewed decentralized initiatives.
With that said I actually checked in to reconsider short term performance of bitcoin based on new sentiments (this is the speculation forum by the way for those who are following my line of thought, do your own research, I am sharing my thoughts influenced largely by personal measure of risk exposure like many others, at the point where I myself from experience know that emotions kick in and dictates behaviour. It is possible that if my investments were 1/10 or ten times higher these conclusions would be significantly alterated):
-Crypto community sentiments aren't euphoric at 12k bitcoin and volume is good, the longer prices remain stable the harder it is to utilize crowd psychology, I am not far behind you on 6 digit bitcoin within 30 days if speculation concerning futures and shorting remains a real prospect, however:
-I think it will peak shy of $1tn or somewhere around 50k due to these figures being psychological barriers, the crypto market should peak at $1,3-1,5tn since there will be some overshoot, fundamentally alot of people will be in alot of profit at these levels and this will affect behaviour and induce euphoria. Peaks are often underestimated so somewhere north of $1tn is the new target.
-I agree, it's not easy to enter a shorting space at these levels since price discovery remain stable, but this sentiment was not the same a few days ago when price went from 7k to 11 in one burst.
-Lastly, before positioning yourselves in face of rising value, besides market psychology, consider volatility. There was sound reasoning behind a previous prediction of $15 000-30 000 and the upper estimate is still relevant, but I think there will be overshoot towards $50 000/$1tn bitcoin, with realistic order validation from 42-47k (this wont last for more than 24-48 hours at most during initial rush). $25k bitcoin @ $500bn isn't news, $50k @ 1tn is a sensation.
The problem is not about price speculation up or down with futures, it's about what futures represent in face of the crypto community, these people are not friends of crypto and the problem at hand is that emotion based manipulation will exhaust the community, this is a psychological operation intended to strike at the weakpoint of the link/blockchain; the human factor, which is easily corruptible given enough time and energy. The entire bogus Bitcoincash circus could have been a test to measure crowd psychology and look for weakpoints and exploit them, it was a highly coordinated maneuver, many of these industry guys are also military background/connections.
Interesting points. But what about tether? Tether was not created by the US government, but by Ifinex. And if Bitfinex banned US from their portfolio just to avoid this scrutiny?
CME is in the US. Can they manipulate the price on other countries? And the bitcoin exchanges from other countries, how they will be scrutinized? They will need to pass some regulations in the UN, and expand futures to other countries as well. This will take time.
Tether is facing its own set of challenges, I did consider bitshares to hedge without having to convert to fiat but volume on openledger is too low and the big exchanges requires KYC so it's no different from wire transfer to bank account from an anonymity point of view.
On the topic of the UN, used to be a stern supporter of this institution but it's a mess now that people/countries in the west understand that BRICs and even big countries like France ain't got their shit together from a moral and ethical viewpoint that the nordic countries, germany and regions of the US takes for granted. US already knew since long it's always been sceptical of the UN, but for me as a Scandinavian to witness the reality that social media presented unfortunately makes me completely dismiss the leaders of 95% of all countries, transparency internationals corruption map is a good starting point if you still take the UN seriously. United Nations will be replaced by a citizens initiative, it's toothless due to infiltration and dependent on sovereigns for funding.
tldr: I believe I represent a majority of investors right now between $5000-$30 000, predicting short/medium term peak of 200-500% before and early into futures opening late december/january. If you're low on liquids and see your crypto shoot up like this it's probably a wise thing to unload 25-50% temporarily and wait for rebound, and reenter in a quarter to 6 months. Personally I think this is it for bitcoin now that serious options are beginning to crop up, especially ethereum with krypto kitties are the writing on the wall (not this particular game but the spirit of where things are heading), eth it correlating with bitcoin and will nose dive with
, come back second half 2018 on strong fundamentals.