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April 03, 2017, 05:08:34 PM
#27
I'm not a BU loyalist.  I'll support any implementation that allows big blocks and on chain scaling.

and no, segwit isn't meaningful onchain scaling in my view.

Decentralized on chain scaling is technologically impossible with PoW:

https://www.reddit.com/r/litecoin/comments/631ffe/pools_that_block_litecoin_development/dfr3weo/

If you actually understood the technology, then perhaps you'd change your position to something which can actually scale off chain.



The economic majority wins. Those who are buying LTC now are doing so because they want SegWit to be activated. Jihan Wu of Bitmain who is blocking SegWit on both LTC and BTC, created the new more efficient Scrypt miners, so I didn't realize this before. They could monopolize these in theory. So this fight might not be as easy as I thought. But the economic majority should win, unless it lacks resolve and/or patience. Already people are arbitraging and finding ways to rent hashrate in order to earn money and support SegWit. If you think the price is going up, you try to lock in a rental price that doesn't increase as the price rises, so you can profit. Others may be buying A4s if they want to maximize profits and believe the price will remain high (and going higher).

Jihan Wu needs to get his ass kicked economically so both Bitcoin and Litecoin can move forward.

It is most likely that BU is a diversionary lie. These miners simply want to gouge high fees on Bitcoin and block any alternatives. They were never going to fork with BU. It was a lie to prevent everyone from joining together to kick Jihan's ass.

If my health will improve or stabilize, my plan is to launch a Bitcoin Killer which doesn't require PoW (the design is already completed). I want to bankrupt all these miners. Their vested interests are a pain in the ass. We need to kick all their arses out into the street and turn their ASICs into door stops. I am talking long-term plan.

Those who are buying ASICs now, my plans are a year or more away from reaching any relevancy or size, so fear not. Buy A4s and profit.


Both you guys are obstructionist wolves in sheepskin. You pretend you want to make progress but you are intentionally stalling. Any one with a brain stem can see right through your deceit.

ProHashing is not signaling SegWit thus they are an obstructionist. Their words are meaningless. In a meritocracy only actions count.

"Talk is cheap, show me the code", wrote Linus Torvalds

Also it is quite clear that BU never intended to fork Bitcoin with that Buggy Unlimited piece-of-shit, because they know damn well the economics of Bitcoin are that the whales can and will destroy any miners who attempt to fork Bitcoin. I explained this in great detail on BCT.

BU is a lie and diversionary tactic in order to fool everyone. The real goal of Jihan Wu is to gouge maximize transaction fees from Bitcoin and block any alternatives for scaling. These obstructionists are block progress on both Bitcoin and Litecoin, because Bitcoin depends on Litecoin to add off chain scaling, because the whales of Bitcoin will never allow SegWit on Bitcon. Period. ProHashing by their actions is complicit. Words are meaningless.

Look at your conflicting statements:

Quote from: ProHashing pool
He states that we oppose Segregated Witness, which is true. We do not think that SegWit is the best course for bitcoin or litecoin.

Quote from: ProHashing pool
We do intend to implement SegWit

Quote from: ProHashing pool
A majority of customers have requested SegWit, so we plan to implement it.

Stalling. Deceit. An obstructionist wolf in sheepskin.

Quote from: ProHashing pool
the IRS doesn't move its deadline back because of SegWit, and we won't have any business at all if they come after us

Miners should leave such an incompetent company.

Whining in a forum about not being able to do your accounting at the same time you do your technical work.

Of course it is quite clear you are just lying and deceitful.
legendary
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April 03, 2017, 11:51:00 AM
#26
Bitcoin has political problems, not technical.

Well it could be possible its a political one. Also, Bitcoin is already established and no one wants someone to control it whether its an organization,another country or groups. Chinese influence maybe another factor to consider but still in the end, it is still the community can decide and which crypto to support.

I doubt if the politics are linked to countries, but rather the politics between developers. The Chinese has never had a bunch of developers running

the development side of Bitcoin, so they concentrated on the part where they have the technological advantage.... ASIC manufacturing and also

cheap electricity. The developers are fighting it out for control over the "code"  Roll Eyes
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April 03, 2017, 10:20:50 AM
#25
Bitcoin has political problems, not technical.

Well it could be possible its a political one. Also, Bitcoin is already established and no one wants someone to control it whether its an organization,another country or groups. Chinese influence maybe another factor to consider but still in the end, it is still the community can decide and which crypto to support.
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April 03, 2017, 09:38:59 AM
#24
Bitcoin is centralized by all those big miners, BlockStream. Bitcoin is slowly turning into a fiat model...stay safe.

I sincerely believe Bitcoin is slowly transitioning into the Mark of the Beast.

I am saying this with very high certainty (>90%) from continuous out-of-the-box thought process from what I continuously observe on the development around the Bitcoin industry and its link to human nature.

And it is with pretty high certainty too that the future of Bitcoin will focus on the theme of regulation and centralization.
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April 03, 2017, 08:47:03 AM
#23
I do not know where Bitcoin Unlimited comes from, but I like BTC or another coin, should not be separated!
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April 02, 2017, 07:41:08 AM
#22

its like asking a car mechanic to service a car. and the mechanic then proclaimes he is just the oil changer.
so he goes and changes the oil by putting vegetable cooking oil into the car and saying he did his job by 'changing the oil'



That's funny.

Now the car can be sold as a vehicle on renewable energy.


But why is f2pool so supportive of segwit now?
legendary
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April 02, 2017, 07:16:01 AM
#21
P.S they were invited to attend t reach an agreement. and signing to agree on something. then they need to DO it.
They don't need to do anything considering that 1 party broke the agreement. Luke-jr ended up creating a HF proposal on his own.

1 party: yep luke did (in february. f2pool then went back to classic mining in march due to the agreement already being broke)

and lukes HF proposal was not a fair one that would have got consensus approval. he intentionally made a screwy one to poke the bear and just be an empty gesture.

its like asking a car mechanic to service a car. and the mechanic then proclaimes he is just the oil changer.
so he goes and changes the oil by putting vegetable cooking oil into the car and saying he did his job by 'changing the oil'

lauda.. stop defending core.. start thinking about bitcoin as a whole.
XVS
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April 02, 2017, 06:57:52 AM
#20
Bitcoin is centralized by all those big miners, BlockStream. Bitcoin is slowly turning into a fiat model...stay safe.
legendary
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April 02, 2017, 06:48:15 AM
#19
Bitcoin Unlimited is being massively supported  Chinese mining company "Bitmain" and its ceo Jihan WU.

WU and Roger Ver (early adopter who holds thousands of bitcoins) formed an alliance in order to make bitcoin shit again. If you don't want bitcoin to be like a shitty Chinese product in the future, say no to BU fork.
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April 02, 2017, 06:43:51 AM
#18
The majority of Bitcoin hashrate is located in China. The people trying to cause a division in the community used this to their advantage. They are resorting to all kinds of tactics, e.g.:
1) Fear mongering the miners that Segwit = losing fees.
2) Exaggerating the imperfections of Segwit whilst glorifying their own solution.
3) Lobbying them.

It is very clear that a super majority of the economy and users do not want BU.
If they have spent millions for bitcoin hardware then you must know how corporate work and that is the only thing they are doing right now,they just want to maximize the profit and so is the reason they are trying their best to control how things work and take the major share in profits ,despite all these BU is not competent enough to take over bitcoin and so is the reason majority does not want BU.
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April 02, 2017, 06:29:01 AM
#17
i dont get paid for this.
You most certainly do.

but i do like that you were "staff" and now reliant on sig-spam income.. most revealing
I always wore a signature, nothing revealing there.

P.S they were invited to attend t reach an agreement. and signing to agree on something. then they need to DO it.
They don't need to do anything considering that 1 party broke the agreement. Luke-jr ended up creating a HF proposal on his own.

but in my opinion, although china dominate bitcoin, it does not mean BTU come from china .. it's just my opinion
China doesn't dominate Bitcoin.
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April 02, 2017, 06:08:58 AM
#16
Most of the miners are in China .
Price is Very Cheaper ( Manpower, Electricity, Goods, Etc... ) and they have Universal Marketing,  and also the mining hardware companies are domiciled in China.
More and More Incomes and Sources in china.BTC
but in my opinion, although china dominate bitcoin, it does not mean BTU come from china .. it's just my opinion
legendary
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April 02, 2017, 06:02:03 AM
#15
Most of the miners are in China .
Price is Very Cheaper ( Manpower, Electricity, Goods, Etc... ) and they have Universal Marketing,  and also the mining hardware companies are domiciled in China.
More and More Incomes and Sources in china.BTC

^this guy forgets about georgia,mongolia, etc and other countries^
take slushpool
china ~8peta
europe ~80peta
america ~115peta
https://slushpool.com/stats/?c=btc


XVS
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April 02, 2017, 05:59:19 AM
#14
Bitcoin has political problems, not technical.
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April 02, 2017, 05:56:40 AM
#13
most of the miners are in China
It's not that most of the miners are in China, it's that many of the mining monopolies are in China.  It's only a few people controlling a huge amount of the hashrate.  The (quite reasonable) suggestion is that these mining monopolies, mostly based in China, support BU.  So what people mean by China coin, if they say it (which I haven't seen anyone say actually) is that it's a coin supported by people who favour centralisation, and that could never be good for Bitcoin.
Most of the miners are in China because of cheaper electricity and also the mining hardware companies are domiciled in China. For the umpteenth time, absolute power corrupts, absolutely! This should be a clarion call for other regions to look to tap into alternative source of energy so this monopoly would be broken, else this threat to Bitcoin would never abate, until perhaps they destroy Bitcoin in hope that China coin would see the light of the day. But I tell you stillbirth is what awaits it!

If no miners from china, bitcoin will be decentralized to the third world countries, they have strength for it.
If china is able to develop unlimited concept, why core supporters do not anticipate this phenomenon? if it's true unlimited Bitcoin will be success, they are already one step ahead than blockstream.
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April 02, 2017, 05:42:48 AM
#12
Most of the miners are in China .
Price is Very Cheaper ( Manpower, Electricity, Goods, Etc... ) and they have Universal Marketing,  and also the mining hardware companies are domiciled in China.
More and More Incomes and Sources in china.BTC
legendary
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April 02, 2017, 05:22:17 AM
#11
now to answer the OP's question

there are over a dozen implementations that are all running on bitcoins network for years.
this is called a PEER network where there shouldnt be any powerhouse.

bu and other independant implmentations set no deadlines made no threats, just plodded along letting people have a free choice

but blockstream(core) have tried REKT campaigning any implementation that is not sanctioned by gmaxwell and his employees/unpaid spellchecker interns.

trying to call BU an altcoin even while its been running on bitcoin for years.
yet segwit started as an altcoin (blockstream elements) is hypocritical. especially when segwit hasnt even made a segwit block or transaction on bitcoins network.

the hypocrisy is loud.

calling BU or any other implementation 'centralisation' attempts is also hypocritical especially when core are not independant due to REKTing anyone who makes an implementation independantly away from core.

the hypocrisy is loud.

calling BU or any other implementation a china coin by suggesting it gives miners the sole power is also hypocritical.. it was CORE that decided to go against node consensus(hard).. because core intentionally decided to give pools the only vote by going soft

the hypocrisy is loud.

calling it "china" and being racist. is just the power play on the social sheep that are easily swayed by social politics(aka foxnew /reddit croud). the funny thing is statistically china do not have power. most of the pools management is actually done outside of 'china'
though they have a chinese website. their stratum servers their ware houses and management are spread out.
EG slush(deemed as chinese) is managed in thailand and most hash powr is in europe and america
https://slushpool.com/stats/?c=btc

 
legendary
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April 02, 2017, 05:13:10 AM
#10
the agreement was broke in hours due to luke jr himself backing out of what he signed by pretending he is powerless
Incorrect. The agreement was not properly described by the media and was quickly revised ever after. A lot of the time spent in it was luke-jr and the others explaining to the miners what they could or couldn't do.

lauda you really need to stop defending blockstream(core) and start thinking about bitcoin as a whole.
As soon as you stop accepting payment for your posts. Roll Eyes

i dont get paid for this.

but i do like that you were "staff" and now reliant on sig-spam income.. most revealing

P.S they were invited to attend t reach an agreement. and signing to agree on something. then they need to DO it.
if they cannot do something they shouldnt have been part of it and shouldnt have signed it and instead just ask their janitor and window cleaner turn up(effectively).

ps F2pool didnt do crap the night it was broke. f2pool done stuff long after it was broke, afterall why even bother abiding by a broke agreement thats broke
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April 02, 2017, 05:09:47 AM
#9
the agreement was broke in hours due to luke jr himself backing out of what he signed by pretending he is powerless
Incorrect. The agreement was not properly described by the media and was quickly revised ever after. A lot of the time spent in it was luke-jr and the others explaining to the miners what they could or couldn't do.

lauda you really need to stop defending blockstream(core) and start thinking about bitcoin as a whole.
As soon as you stop accepting payment for your posts. Roll Eyes
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April 02, 2017, 05:09:06 AM
#8
most of the miners are in China
It's not that most of the miners are in China, it's that many of the mining monopolies are in China.  It's only a few people controlling a huge amount of the hashrate.  The (quite reasonable) suggestion is that these mining monopolies, mostly based in China, support BU.  So what people mean by China coin, if they say it (which I haven't seen anyone say actually) is that it's a coin supported by people who favour centralisation, and that could never be good for Bitcoin.
Most of the miners are in China because of cheaper electricity and also the mining hardware companies are domiciled in China. For the umpteenth time, absolute power corrupts, absolutely! This should be a clarion call for other regions to look to tap into alternative source of energy so this monopoly would be broken, else this threat to Bitcoin would never abate, until perhaps they destroy Bitcoin in hope that China coin would see the light of the day. But I tell you stillbirth is what awaits it!
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