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legendary
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June 14, 2020, 02:08:04 PM
#24
Bitcoin is the first one that got created, well the first one that got any sort of traction and success, all others followed it. Litecoin was actually the second biggest coin, ethereum is getting the attention it deserves nowadays and it is in the second spot. To be perfectly honest with you, if we are going to take a look at which coins blockchain is better or worse we will definitely end up with seeing a ton of other coins which are better than bitcoins blockchain.

Blockchain is not the only thing that makes a coin successful, that is what these new project heads do not understand, you can build the greatest blockchain ever created with every single new feature of the past 10 years all coins combined into one coin, and yet if you do not do marketing well enough and people do not like your coin, it will become worthless with that awesome blockchain of its.
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June 14, 2020, 01:53:59 PM
#23
Bitcoins Have Value? Bitcoin offers an efficient means of transferring money over the internet and is controlled by a decentralized network with a transparent set of rules, thus presenting an alternative to central bank-controlled fiat money. Bitcoin whenever they add a new block of transactions to the blockchain. Bitcoin has properties that make it similar to gold.
Bitcoin is digital gold. It is so expensive because it is difficult to obtain. Any limited resource will be expensive, the law of the market. And then, digital currency needs to be measured, and the first currency was chosen accordingly.
sr. member
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June 14, 2020, 01:06:32 PM
#22
Bitcoins Have Value? Bitcoin offers an efficient means of transferring money over the internet and is controlled by a decentralized network with a transparent set of rules, thus presenting an alternative to central bank-controlled fiat money. Bitcoin whenever they add a new block of transactions to the blockchain. Bitcoin has properties that make it similar to gold.
hero member
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June 14, 2020, 12:34:45 PM
#21
Why is bitcoin worth so much ?

Bitcoin price $9,442.51 coinmarketcap
Ethereum   $236.39    coinmarketcap


1.Btc transaction fees are high
2.Btc takes like 10 minutes - 1 hour to confirm
3.It has no smart contracts support
4.No tokens support
Etc etc ...

Where does the value of bitcoin come from ? I don't understand the logic behind the valuation ...

• The Transaction fee of Bitcoins is not dependent on the price of Bitcoins , it is actually dependent on the amount of Bitcoins . The miners are working too , to make sure that it remains secure and safe . Therefore I do think that it is reasonable.
  At the same time we do have options to pay less transaction fee . Like Lightning network, even though the network is not actually that safe , but now and then , it can be used .
 •The confirmation time of BTC , is rather a blessing. The reason it takes this amount of time to confirm is because this way it provides additional security , you should try and find out about it more .
*Bitcoin transaction is not just verified by one person or company*
• I do think you are not stating the fact that Bitcoins also does support the smart contracts but that's actually limited . One should understand that Bitcoins can use smart contracts you can learn about the protocol online .
• Tokens support ? Do you mean the customer service? It is not centralized therefore there is no point in having one.
• Trust
• Fixed amount of Bitcoins ( Demand and supply makes it much more interesting for the upcoming future)
• High volatility is a blessing for most traders .

There is a lot . No way ETH or any other Crypto is bad , but the thing is people tend to use the one's that they find more trustable . We do have a lower coin supply and liquidity.

I do think BTC is better for Investment purposes and trading and all , ETH is overall good for day to day activities.   
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June 14, 2020, 12:16:55 PM
#20
There are questions like this that have been asked many times before, some of us are confused why bitcoin is so popular, valuable and people go crazy over it, well to be exact why bitcoin is valuable because it is first currency that has been introduced to us, but then why? of course people who interacted with it first build its own reputation along the way. Bitcoin is designed not alike that much to any cryptocurrency that we have now in the market, the 21m limited supply says it all. In short, bitcoin is valuable because it is bitcoin  Cheesy
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June 14, 2020, 11:36:44 AM
#19
Why is bitcoin worth so much ?

Bitcoin price $9,442.51 coinmarketcap
Ethereum   $236.39    coinmarketcap


1.Btc transaction fees are high
2.Btc takes like 10 minutes - 1 hour to confirm
3.It has no smart contracts support
4.No tokens support
Etc etc ...

Where does the value of bitcoin come from ? I don't understand the logic behind the valuation ...
Have you ever wondered that why the price of gold is so expensive whereas the silver is very cheap since both has same level of difficulty in finding?

Bitcoin have limited supply, when more people used bitcoin means the price will increase,where as etherum can be mined forever so not ebery people have interest on mining it or holding it in huge amount so.price is cheaper than bitcoin.
legendary
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Welt Am Draht
June 14, 2020, 11:29:43 AM
#18
Gold is liquid it's money and commodity  but is worth less then bitcoin ...

There are around 6-7 billion ounces of gold in the world. There are 21 million bitcoins. Do the math. Gold overall is worth much more. Not every system has the exact same individual unit pricing or the same number of units.
sr. member
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June 14, 2020, 11:23:56 AM
#17
Since you've pointed out some "issues" with BTC, I'll give you some points as well:
-the first cryptocurrency
-the most well known cryptocurrency
-the most trusted one
-the most accepted one (highest market penetration)
-decentralized
-altcoins follow its price, so they depend on it

Enough?

ah the old liquidity and trust... but still there are other stuff in this world that share the same pro's but they are not this valuable

Gold is liquid it's money and commodity  but is worth less then bitcoin ...

How in the world btc became so valuable what was the spark ... ?
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June 14, 2020, 11:01:17 AM
#16
Actually,  Bitcoin transaction is so high also to me. But, otherwise time and otherthing are not bad. I think, it is more comfortable than the other medium like bank or other system. In future, it will be the most famous, trustable, valuable and promising for human life.        
legendary
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June 14, 2020, 10:48:54 AM
#15
Since you've pointed out some "issues" with BTC, I'll give you some points as well:
-the first cryptocurrency
-the most well known cryptocurrency
-the most trusted one
-the most accepted one (highest market penetration)
-decentralized
-altcoins follow its price, so they depend on it

Enough?
jr. member
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June 14, 2020, 10:31:40 AM
#14
Bitcoin is the most trustworthy cryptocurrency. It's limited, maybe it's the key feature. 
sr. member
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June 14, 2020, 10:00:15 AM
#13

Banks can track you, track your transactions and identity. You have limits on your transaction.

In case of crypto that is reverse and more confidential. May be that evens it out.


I mined with my pc around 50 btc when bitcoin was worth nothing ... i sold them for around 0.2 cents / btc ...people wouldn't even want to buy them back then ...so what increased btc value so much ... makes no sense ...
sr. member
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June 14, 2020, 09:14:05 AM
#12
Because btc was first. Its like question why apple devices cost so much. Status, brand, fanbase, etc
legendary
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Welt Am Draht
June 14, 2020, 09:07:03 AM
#11
Because it has earned the most trust. It's the most tested, most battered, the oldest, it had the purest launch, it's the best developed, the most stable.

That's what shitcoin fans can never admit to themselves, or cannot begin to conceive of. No one gives a fuck about one second block times and 'partnerships' if there isn't any trust. Without trust it's just meaningless software which is what most of them are.

Until someone's figured that value is nothing to do with technicalities and all to do with deeper human factors they're not going to get far.
hero member
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June 14, 2020, 08:58:52 AM
#10
Why is bitcoin worth so much ?

Bitcoin price $9,442.51 coinmarketcap
Ethereum   $236.39    coinmarketcap


1.Btc transaction fees are high
2.Btc takes like 10 minutes - 1 hour to confirm
3.It has no smart contracts support
4.No tokens support
Etc etc ...

Where does the value of bitcoin come from ? I don't understand the logic behind the valuation ...

@spy100 this topic has been discussed multiple times over the years now, and you need to understand that Bitcoin is the original crypto, and rest coins like Ethereum are alt coins, and therefore people will never consider them above bitcoins.

The trust that has been gained by Bitcoin in millions of traders and miners that altogether have imparted on a cryptocurrency and Bitcoin is the largest cryptocurrency that the value determined by the demand and supply.

Now, if you worried about the transaction fees, it is natural in Bitcoin to have fees to pay miners every time transaction to be confirmed.
I think you need to understand the word volatility that makes Bitcoin worth it so much to the eye of crypto enthusiast's holders that choose to hold Bitcoin than spending. Others also think that through the decentralized infrastructure of Bitcoin by making direct money transfers quick and have transparency are the most they like, and the fee is doesn't matter to them, IMO.

However, if everyone knows how to use Lightning Network to apply in Bitcoin transactions, we can help to lessen the fees and have faster transactions.

@sheenshane you have explained very well about the fees issue, and in my personal opinion it totally depends when you transfer as I have personally transferred $100+ and paid few cents in fees, and further I have seen whales transfer big amounts and pay small fees for their transactions using bitcoins.

Sources:

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/031416/bitcoin-vs-ethereum-driven-different-purposes.asp

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bitcoin.asp

https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2019/07/29/bitcoin-whale-moves-468-million-crypto-fortune-for-less-than-400/

Past discussions:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2377948.680

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2214251.740
sr. member
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June 14, 2020, 08:54:06 AM
#9
Ethereum has virtually unlimited supply while BTC is capped to 21 million coins.
...Moreover, you get value because investors keep buying it.

But if you have 1000 usd and you want to transfer it to another person i don't get it how bitcoin can help me ...

Example i want to send money to a person B in another country

I Person A have 1000 usd
To exchange it it cost me around 5% - 8%
Now i have   920 usd in btc form ...do to fact bitcoin is so volatile i could lose another 50 usd in 10 minutes or gain 50 usd ...just speculation
I send it to person B  a small transaction fee is taken
Now person B has to exchange it to Fiat he got to pay trader / exchange platform another 5%-8%
After exchange person B has left around 846.4 usd

That's a 15.36 % loss just from exchange cost
More expensive the WU,direct bank transfer,paypal etc ...
So why do you need to transfer in cryptocurrency if you have these ( WU, dbt, paypal) to transfer with? Just to clarify, you don't necessarily use cryptocurrency to transfer funds if you have more platform/app services to do it with so much convenience. Indeed that if takes more to transfer via crypto since there is conversion rate fee and transaction fee that's why you need to consider this process before transferring funds.
People are just using crypto for others not to track their transaction, the privacy  Wink
legendary
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June 14, 2020, 08:17:40 AM
#8
The trust that has been gained by Bitcoin in millions of traders and miners that altogether have imparted on a cryptocurrency and Bitcoin is the largest cryptocurrency that the value determined by the demand and supply.

Now, if you worried about the transaction fees, it is natural in Bitcoin to have fees to pay miners every time transaction to be confirmed.
I think you need to understand the word volatility that makes Bitcoin worth it so much to the eye of crypto enthusiast's holders that choose to hold Bitcoin than spending. Others also think that through the decentralized infrastructure of Bitcoin by making direct money transfers quick and have transparency are the most they like, and the fee is doesn't matter to them, IMO.

However, if everyone knows how to use Lightning Network to apply in Bitcoin transactions, we can help to lessen the fees and have faster transactions.
hero member
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June 14, 2020, 08:03:13 AM
#7
Ethereum has virtually unlimited supply while BTC is capped to 21 million coins.
...Moreover, you get value because investors keep buying it.
That's a 15.36 % loss just from exchange cost
More expensive the WU,direct bank transfer,paypal etc ...


Impossible.

15% loss in single transaction will never happen. There is no such movement in bitcoin where it moved up and down in its price with so much difference.

Also if you send 1000 USD to Person B, then you actually input 1000 USD in amount to be sent while the TX Fees are added differently.

In the screenshot below you will see how it works. YOU will pay the FEES, and Person B receives 1000 USD not less and not more.





The Volatility that you talking about is not that hard. User can always cashout as soon as they receive the 1000 USD.

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More expensive the WU,direct bank transfer,paypal etc ...

Everything has their pros and cons.

Banks can track you, track your transactions and identity. You have limits on your transaction.

In case of crypto that is reverse and more confidential. May be that evens it out.
newbie
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June 14, 2020, 08:01:11 AM
#6
Ethereum has virtually unlimited supply while BTC is capped to 21 million coins.
Out of this 18,404,300 BTC are in circulation. If you understand the basic principle of Demand and Supply then it would be easy to grasp this. The demand is heavy for bitcoin while it's supply is limited.
After each 4 years it will go under halving thus reducing its rewards per block, making it more costly to mine for miner. Since it use Energy to mine via miners, the energy required is now more and more.
This is converted into money later when people buy it.
It will keep rising since energy requirements to mine the coin will keep rising throughout the time, and also supply will keep reducing.
Moreover, you get value because investors keep buying it.
Basically - the supply of btc won't ever grow
on the other side demand was growing or at least staying still this whole decade
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June 14, 2020, 07:19:29 AM
#5
The bitcoin already gained a lot of reputation into the world and community of the cryptocurrency because from the previous years it gives a good market income and outcome to the whole market in the start of the bitcoin, only a few people realize the benefits of it and after that, it gained a lot of popularity because of the benefits of it like the security, transparency, efficiency and more which is good to an investor or a people who want to save their money.

You can spend all of your bitcoin today in different ways like first on using gambling, investment, and trading but today not only limited by that because in some parts of the world there are some stores accepting the use of the bitcoin payment. Also by the time goes by the number of people supporting the bitcoin are increasing which is good to make more increase in the market price of the coin.
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