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March 19, 2013, 07:21:07 AM
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I don't think you understood what you quoted. Goat issued more crappy, worthless assets (some positive value) than the whole MPEX has to offer (no crappy, worthless assets there).

Indeed on re-read I see your point. My bad.

BTW anyone who is a seller thinks their assets are overvalued. Why else would MPOE (andf all others) sell at a set price? Cuz they think it is a good deal.

Actually MP sold in an attempt to create a real market for Bitcoin financials (this is quite obvious especially if you consider the way original shares were allocated, and their pricing at the time). But that aside the point probably stands in general.
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March 18, 2013, 07:16:15 PM
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Isn't that a little hypocrite Goat, since back in the good old GLBSE days you issued more crappy worthless assets than whole MPEX has to offer.

Not quite. GLBSE was like 50k BTC. MPEx is over 1.25 mn BTC currently. If you also figure the 5 vs 50 BTC/USD ratio that adds another order of magnitude to the difference (the third).

I don't think you understood what you quoted. Goat issued more crappy, worthless assets (some positive value) than the whole MPEX has to offer (no crappy, worthless assets there).
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March 18, 2013, 07:09:30 PM
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Isn't that a little hypocrite Goat, since back in the good old GLBSE days you issued more crappy worthless assets than whole MPEX has to offer.

Not quite. GLBSE was like 50k BTC. MPEx is over 1.25 mn BTC currently. If you also figure the 5 vs 50 BTC/USD ratio that adds another order of magnitude to the difference (the third).
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March 18, 2013, 07:08:50 PM
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I only bought into AsicMiner with much coin, the rest including s.dice does not look like a long term good investment to me. Will people who bought at the s.dice ipo price ever get it back in dividends?


This is a bit off-topic.

IPO price: 0.0032 btc, current price: 0.0051, How much have they already gotten from dividends? something like 0.000644, or 20% in dividends in six months. Why are you so obsessed with getting the initial investment back as dividends? The share price has gone up, the investment is worth more now than at the IPO.

You know, there are companies that give no dividends, right? Why would anybody buy one of those, they would never get their investment back!
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March 18, 2013, 05:03:28 PM
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I think it is overvalued. But I also think 99% of the assets are overvalued :/

Well that's easy to do when you've blown all your BTC on trying to close out your willful exposure to Bitcoin's most overvalued asset to date.


Fill me in? Which asset are you referring to?  (inquiring minds and all that)

I'm going to guess lending money to Pirate but it is hard to say as I have been involved with or invested into just about everything good or bad in bitcoin land in the last 2 years.

What I am saying is, in BTC land it is hard to find a company who can get returns faster than BTC is going up in value. Asicminer, who makes BTC might be the exception.

Things like s.dice might see their volume go down significantly if BTC hits $10,000. Asicminer will still mine BTC no matter what the price is.

My attack was not at MPOE but at all assets that might lose volume as the BTC price goes to the moon.

BTW I'm very bullish, and that makes me look at things differently than most maybe.


Isn't that a little hypocrite Goat, since back in the good old GLBSE days you issued more crappy worthless assets than whole MPEX has to offer.
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March 18, 2013, 04:43:27 PM
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Fill me in? Which asset are you referring to?  (inquiring minds and all that)

He ran the largest volume pirate pass-through (although it is disputed exactly how much of that volume was self trading). Bear in mind that PPTs were something like half to three quarters of Global Scam Exchange volume at the time. He says he's satisfied/settled claims against him resulting from that out of pocket, nobody has so far come forth to claim different so prima facie that claim stands. That led to an usagi-style meltdown followed by a half year's vacation or so, which'd suggest he was pretty nearly wiped in the adventure (wouldn't be the only one with pirate, of course).

If you go through the original S.DICE announcement you can see he's been spewing bs about it since roughly August. I'd say a case of personal investment, kinda hard to admit to being wrong etc. He does try his best to go about it underhandedly, creating knots of nonsense like "I'm bullish on BTC so that's why solid company A with a history and good management is no good whereas proven incompetence B is king & queen" which probably appear defensible to him - at least if one doesn't go looking past the surface.

Basically MPEx unapologetically ate a number of people's lunches. We did it publicly, insultingly and mercilessly. There be some sore butts left littering the landscape afterwards as you'd expect. His is one.
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March 18, 2013, 01:24:53 PM
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What I am saying is, in BTC land it is hard to find a company who can get returns faster than BTC is going up in value.

Funny you mention that in this very thread. S.MPOE went from like ~0.0005 to ~0.0007 while BTC went from 12 to 40 something. I guess its hard for you to find even when it bites you in the ass.
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March 18, 2013, 11:21:23 AM
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What I am saying is, in BTC land it is hard to find a company who can get returns faster than BTC is going up in value. Asicminer, who makes BTC might be the exception.

Things like s.dice might see their volume go down significantly if BTC hits $10,000. Asicminer will still mine BTC no matter what the price is.

My attack was not at MPOE but at all assets that might lose volume as the BTC price goes to the moon.

BTW I'm very bullish, and that makes me look at things differently than most maybe.


The decrease in volume as prices rise at places like satoshidice and mpoe is yet to be seen.

Asicminer will still mine BTC, but the amount they get depends on the difficulty, and the difficulty tends to go up.
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March 17, 2013, 07:57:56 PM
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I think it is overvalued. But I also think 99% of the assets are overvalued :/

Well that's easy to do when you've blown all your BTC on trying to close out your willful exposure to Bitcoin's most overvalued asset to date.


Fill me in? Which asset are you referring to?  (inquiring minds and all that)
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March 17, 2013, 06:29:30 PM
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I think it is overvalued. But I also think 99% of the assets are overvalued :/

Well that's easy to do when you've blown all your BTC on trying to close out your willful exposure to Bitcoin's most overvalued asset to date.
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March 16, 2013, 11:31:22 PM
#4
Shareholders are being paid 50-500 satoshis per share per month, with each share being worth around 72k satoshis currently.  That works out to, on average, around 250/72000 (let's be optimistic...) = a third of a percent per month.  Seeing as S.DICE and other securities are paying at least 5 times that, why the hell is anyone buying S.MPOE?  Is there a part of the contract I am missing?

S.MPOE and S.DICE are different companies, with different risk factors. The market seems to think that MPOE has a lower risk than DICE.
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March 16, 2013, 06:40:32 PM
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Shareholders are being paid 50-500 satoshis per share per month, with each share being worth around 72k satoshis currently.  That works out to, on average, around 250/72000 (let's be optimistic...) = a third of a percent per month.  Seeing as S.DICE and other securities are paying at least 5 times that, why the hell is anyone buying S.MPOE?  Is there a part of the contract I am missing?
Because you don't just look at the dividends when evaluating assets.
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March 16, 2013, 04:29:07 PM
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It's been a topic of wonder/fascination for MP too. But incidentally, weren't you offering him some shares to short? What became of that?

Anyway, S.MPOE paid about half what S.DICE paid, over about the same interval.
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March 16, 2013, 03:48:29 PM
#1
Shareholders are being paid 50-500 satoshis per share per month, with each share being worth around 72k satoshis currently.  That works out to, on average, around 250/72000 (let's be optimistic...) = a third of a percent per month.  Seeing as S.DICE and other securities are paying at least 5 times that, why the hell is anyone buying S.MPOE?  Is there a part of the contract I am missing?
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