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May 31, 2015, 10:21:21 AM
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Airstrikes alone will not defeat the ISIS. If the NATO is serious about destroying the ISIS, then it should bring in the infantry and the battle tanks. For every 10 terrorists killed in the US-led airstrikes against the ISIS, 50 more joins them after crossing the Turkish-Syrian border. ISIS has also stepped up the recruitment of local Sunni Arabs.

mutiny is every where man..depressed help depressed ,they find it their mirror showing their fate....
nothing can stop isis,,they are bound to live and they will...



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May 31, 2015, 10:11:55 AM
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The terrorists seem well-ensconced in their twin nerve centers for Iraq and Syria, Mosul and Raqqa, respectively, and do not appear threatened in Fallujah, only miles from Baghdad.  This despite the allied air campaign designed, in President Obama’s words, to “degrade and ultimately destroy” the group.

Airstrikes alone will not defeat the ISIS. If the NATO is serious about destroying the ISIS, then it should bring in the infantry and the battle tanks. For every 10 terrorists killed in the US-led airstrikes against the ISIS, 50 more joins them after crossing the Turkish-Syrian border. ISIS has also stepped up the recruitment of local Sunni Arabs.
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May 31, 2015, 10:01:31 AM
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us created terrorist to protect himself now its vice versa...

The terrorists seem well-ensconced in their twin nerve centers for Iraq and Syria, Mosul and Raqqa, respectively, and do not appear threatened in Fallujah, only miles from Baghdad.  This despite the allied air campaign designed, in President Obama’s words, to “degrade and ultimately destroy” the group.

Obama can only talk about peace he has no guts like bush..can can only do conspiracy and kill hidden dead terrorist..
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May 31, 2015, 08:53:33 AM
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At the moment it may seem to suck wins but long term I think it will lose this war.
At present, their enemies are divided, Iran, Syria, America, Russia, Iraq and others but it will not last long.
When all understand the gravity of the situation and finally achieve real agreement on military cooperation, ISIS will have no chance alone against all.
Americans have underestimated the danger of Isis, as previously underestimated the threat from Saddam and Osama, but I think they now understand the seriousness of the situation.
Each additional day of ISIS terror is a disaster for the region and the entire civilized world.

Ofcourse they will lose. When they will hit interests of China and Russia, will fail big. No way they can win them.
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May 31, 2015, 08:10:07 AM
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At the moment it may seem to suck wins but long term I think it will lose this war.
At present, their enemies are divided, Iran, Syria, America, Russia, Iraq and others but it will not last long.
When all understand the gravity of the situation and finally achieve real agreement on military cooperation, ISIS will have no chance alone against all.
Americans have underestimated the danger of Isis, as previously underestimated the threat from Saddam and Osama, but I think they now understand the seriousness of the situation.
Each additional day of ISIS terror is a disaster for the region and the entire civilized world.
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May 31, 2015, 03:18:15 AM
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They are winning because they have the more compelling narrative. We don't like to admit it, but there is a huge movement toward Islam. We think we can shoot a powerful idea to death, but the people we are fighting are more committed than we are, and actually believe in the morality of what they are doing. By comparison the rest of the world has no consistent position or policy. Those who know war could see this coming when we announced we were going to "liberate" Iraq.

If killing innocent people = evil. And killing those that kill innocent people = good. How can a powerful idea, that is evil, ever attract more than the idea that is good? I don't think ISIS will ever win. Their advancements are over areas in the world that are susceptible persuasion, influence, and blind faith. These are areas that have week government, military, and infrastructure to begin with. Areas that don't subscribe (let alone are able) to ruling locally by force. It's not a  surprise that ISIS has grown in Syria. Could it grow in the world? I don't think so. A world war, one with combined forces from a few countries, would put an end to it.

There's a responsibility for the Middle East to control their own. The West has learned that through endless (decades of) intervention. That's why the world, largely, waits. Liberation is only possible if it's lead by the people that want to be liberated. The border of the control ISIS can have is limited to those that choose not to fight their direct oppression.

Evil never wins. ISIS is evil. If they weren't evil they would believe what they believe without forcing the entire world to also subscribe to their ideology. ISIS is greedy, no different from "the evil corporations". That's probably the greatest irony of their reign.

Well said. I'll just add that ISIS could be dealt with within a month by razing it to the ground, but Western nations wouldn't allow for that because of human rights, we don't know how many people in that area are civilians that couldn't escape from the terrorists. Also if everybody would be annihilated on ISIS terrains, then that would make more bad blood in the region.
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May 31, 2015, 02:42:28 AM
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They are winning because they have the more compelling narrative. We don't like to admit it, but there is a huge movement toward Islam. We think we can shoot a powerful idea to death, but the people we are fighting are more committed than we are, and actually believe in the morality of what they are doing. By comparison the rest of the world has no consistent position or policy. Those who know war could see this coming when we announced we were going to "liberate" Iraq.

If killing innocent people = evil. And killing those that kill innocent people = good. How can a powerful idea, that is evil, ever attract more than the idea that is good? I don't think ISIS will ever win. Their advancements are over areas in the world that are susceptible persuasion, influence, and blind faith. These are areas that have week government, military, and infrastructure to begin with. Areas that don't subscribe (let alone are able) to ruling locally by force. It's not a  surprise that ISIS has grown in Syria. Could it grow in the world? I don't think so. A world war, one with combined forces from a few countries, would put an end to it.

There's a responsibility for the Middle East to control their own. The West has learned that through endless (decades of) intervention. That's why the world, largely, waits. Liberation is only possible if it's lead by the people that want to be liberated. The border of the control ISIS can have is limited to those that choose not to fight their direct oppression.

Evil never wins. ISIS is evil. If they weren't evil they would believe what they believe without forcing the entire world to also subscribe to their ideology. ISIS is greedy, no different from "the evil corporations". That's probably the greatest irony of their reign.
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May 30, 2015, 10:43:14 PM
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With their biggest supporter occupying the White House, ISIS knows they can roll over Iraq unapposed.
Obama has no intention of doing anything.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Well, at least we know now that it also works when bad men do nothing too.

I really dont understand why should he do and his country do anything now? Why? USA have enough Oil, Middle east if of no interest for them now. Yes there was responsibility for Iraq since they attacked it yars ago. And should restore previous situation when leave. But right now why would bother?

China on other hand needs Oil. China is taking care of most of Africa and will also of Middle East. Or in your case you may say China country president.
That's correct.  Always the conspiracy theorists blab blah blab "CIA, USA, da da da."

But there are all the other countries of the world with all their selfish interests.

And sure, no double some few of ISIS would have trained with US.  Some few Al Queda, so FUCKING WHAT?

That's not enough to generate a hugh conspiracy theory on top of.
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May 30, 2015, 03:37:50 PM
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May 30, 2015, 10:58:01 AM
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ISIS is run by a council of former Iraqi generals, according to Hisham Alhashimi, an adviser to the Iraqi government and an expert on ISIS. Many are members of Saddam Hussein’s secular Baath Party who converted to radical Islam in American prisons.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/09/29/fight-lives?utm_source=tny&utm_campaign=generalsocial&utm_medium=twitter&mbid=social_twitter

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It was at Camp Bucca that Abu Ahmed first met Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the emir of Isis who is now frequently described as the world’s most dangerous terrorist leader. From the beginning, Abu Ahmed said, others in the camp seemed to defer to him. “Even then, he was Abu Bakr. But none of us knew he would ever end up as leader.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/11/-sp-isis-the-inside-story

Looks like the US goverment has created it's own enemy, at least the weapons manufacturers are making a nice profit....

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May 30, 2015, 10:33:37 AM
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Why is ISIS winning? Maybe because, US is stretchered out and cannot do more?" Maybe because there is no one else to fight them? Or maybe US government is deliberately waiting for ISIS to grow and become bigger threat so that other countries will put their money to fight against ISIS?

And maybe just maybe the US is ISIS meaning they have funded and created them just like they did with osama and the homies. cia do some crazy shit I would not put it past them. ISIS will be 'winning' for as long as the US and other countries want them to.

I wouldn't go as far to say that US deliberately created ISIS but there might be some truth in what You are writing. Having constant threat means you can justify spending millions on military equipment, which will make "military group" happy and armaments plants will be busy. Also having a target lie ISIS allows to test some new toys.
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May 30, 2015, 09:10:27 AM
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Why is ISIS winning? Maybe because, US is stretchered out and cannot do more?" Maybe because there is no one else to fight them? Or maybe US government is deliberately waiting for ISIS to grow and become bigger threat so that other countries will put their money to fight against ISIS?

And maybe just maybe the US is ISIS meaning they have funded and created them just like they did with osama and the homies. cia do some crazy shit I would not put it past them. ISIS will be 'winning' for as long as the US and other countries want them to.
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May 30, 2015, 09:04:54 AM
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With their biggest supporter occupying the White House, ISIS knows they can roll over Iraq unapposed.
Obama has no intention of doing anything.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Well, at least we know now that it also works when bad men do nothing too.

I really dont understand why should he do and his country do anything now? Why? USA have enough Oil, Middle east if of no interest for them now. Yes there was responsibility for Iraq since they attacked it yars ago. And should restore previous situation when leave. But right now why would bother?

China on other hand needs Oil. China is taking care of most of Africa and will also of Middle East. Or in your case you may say China country president.
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May 30, 2015, 08:33:15 AM
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May 30, 2015, 05:26:55 AM
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Bush started it an Obama did nothing to help the situation ...
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how about putting the blame where in belongs, in the hands of all the countries in the middle-east who have failed to get involved in their own problems the last 20+ years.
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May 30, 2015, 05:10:09 AM
#9
Obama is solely responsible for ISIS and it's murderous rampage.
Obama causes misery and despair wherever he ventures whether at home or abroad.
Spreading and enabling murder, strife and hate wherever his effeminate petty self inserts himself.

Really? Just Obama? Can't think of anybody else with your partisan brainwashed mind? You don't think both presidents and the people who elected them both TWICE aren't responsible for this too?

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May 30, 2015, 02:43:23 AM
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With their biggest supporter occupying the White House, ISIS knows they can roll over Iraq unapposed.
Obama has no intention of doing anything.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Well, at least we know now that it also works when bad men do nothing too.
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May 30, 2015, 02:02:46 AM
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Why is ISIS winning? Maybe because, US is stretchered out and cannot do more?" Maybe because there is no one else to fight them? Or maybe US government is deliberately waiting for ISIS to grow and become bigger threat so that other countries will put their money to fight against ISIS?
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May 29, 2015, 03:57:17 PM
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(Expletive!) Isis isn't really winning. Watch what winning looks like here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMCOKNCwHmQ.

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May 29, 2015, 03:28:10 PM
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Obama is solely responsible for ISIS and it's murderous rampage.
Obama causes misery and despair wherever he ventures whether at home or abroad.
Spreading and enabling murder, strife and hate wherever his effeminate petty self inserts himself.
Ha ha.

You are partly right. USA were training Iraq army 10 years. So all those ( US Army leadership) involved in that should lose their jobs and pay with their money reparation for their failure. I am sure this would never happen again. They will not enroll again to be something the cant provide.  It is easy to play games with someones else money.
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