Topic: Why isn't bitcointalk.org neutral? - page 2. (Read 2602 times)

A fork is to allow users to choose and reach consensus. That's why bitcoin is decentralized. So that not 1 group of people has full control over bitcoin.

If you only allow 1 client the spotlight, many people won't even know they have a choice.

It's easy to claim you have consensus when you are censoring all competition. But I'm sure if other clients were given equal chance, the consensus would shift towards one of them.

We need to be fair to the users, and let them know they have a choice. And provide them the tools they need to make their voice heard. Only then we can truly claim to be decentralized.

Just because they follow the same core values does not mean that they are the same coin. Just look at any shitcoin forked from Bitcoin, they have the same core values, but they are not Bitcoin.

What matters are the consensus rules. To be Bitcoin, you must use the exact same consensus rules. XT, Classic, and BU do not use the exact some consensus rules. They have different consensus rules for a hard fork when certain bits in the version are set and a certain threshold is reached. Those are not the exact same consensus rules as defined by the reference implementation, thus they are an altcoin. It does not matter that they are compatible with Bitcoin, they are, by definition, not Bitcoin.

None of them violate the core values of bitcoin.

Decentralized ledger, 21million coins, 10 minute transactions. Any other core values?      

The only one violating the core value of decentralization is Core, because they are actively trying to manipulate many platforms in order to gain control, and thereby centralizing bitcoin.   


There are multiple forums, but like many things, the power of the forum is the network. Core somehow managed to get hold of the main communication platforms (this forum and /r/bitcoin) and is leveragng that control to centralize bitcoin and act like the only 'legitimate' developers. Thus, centralization is happening.


All chains should have a fair chance as long as they don't violate bitcoins core values. One of the most important values is decentralization. Core is threatening this core value.   


No but they are using the power of propaganda to make Core seem like the only 'official' client. There are other clients out there that are just as 'official' and legitimate. And arguable healthier for bitcoins longterm   
survival.


As long as it's seeded from the genesis block, and if it reverts any already existing transactions the rules for it need to be consistent with itself. (And I am sure you'd need good reasons to do so, or else you wouldn't get support).

No one is stopping any one else from choosing a different version of Bitcoin to use, especially not the forum.
Keep in mind that this is a private forum, and whatever theymos chooses to be listed here is what will be listed here. He has no obligation to anyone to do anything else.

If I made a coin named 'Bitcoin 2', and used almost all of the exact same properties of Bitcoin (21,000,000 coins, 12.5BTC/block, same chain) apart from changed some technical aspects (block size, block speed etc) would that be an 'official' version of Bitcoin? If not, why?

Technically, until a Bitcoin fork obtains consensus, it is an alt chain. Core is "Bitcoin" at the moment. Should Classic, Unlimited, XT, obtain consensus to take over as "bitcoin" then the forum would be about that chain.

If you truly want decentralization create your own forum. By putting all coins in one forum is centralization.

Bitcoin Knots (https://bitcoinknots.org) for example is listed on Bitcoin.org while others aren't because XT , classic ,unlimited etc... do changes to the network rules which makes them an Altcoin , as simple as that.

No, these are called options.

The entire point of bitcoin is that the USERS can choose. Not any one group of devs.

The Core devs are obviously trying to centralize bitcoin under their rule, and not giving the other dev teams a fair chance and an equal playing ground.

This is centralization

Classic, unlimited and XT are all bitcoin, and I'm fairly sure they would all be more popular than Core if they would have the same opportunity to be listed as 'official' bitcoin clients. 

Core is in no way more 'official' than Classic, Unlimited or XT.

Because those are altcoins, and this forum is called Bitcoin Talk.

Why only have the link to bitcoin core at the top, and not classic, unlimited and XT as well?     

It's easy to remain the client used by most users if you control the main platform of communication, but this is not decentralized at all.