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May 04, 2014, 03:49:44 AM
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It would be very difficult to outlaw lobbying completely without raising serious free-speech issues. That is not to say it is not a troublesome practice.

What free speech issues arise? Why is bribery not allowed under free speech? It's just calling something under a different name and legalising it. I think big money probably needs to be taken out of politics because all it will inevitably cause is corruption and gives others an unfair advantage.
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May 03, 2014, 11:34:40 PM
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It would be very difficult to outlaw lobbying completely without raising serious free-speech issues. That is not to say it is not a troublesome practice.
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May 03, 2014, 05:54:42 PM
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The laws are written by the people who get the money from bribes.

This is exactly it. It's the same reason why loopholes exist and are very rarely closed. They're there so their buddies can exploit them. It's the general taxpayers that foot the bill whilst the rich reap the rewards and avoid paying taxes. Lobbying should be illegal but it wont be made so anytime soon.
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May 03, 2014, 06:37:48 AM
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The laws are written by the people who get the money from bribes.
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May 03, 2014, 03:16:00 AM
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It's legal because they want your money. They powers that be are not going to stop something that benefits them greatly. Something needs to be done about it though.

I am not an American citizen and I can hardly say that I understand all the fine details within the American politic system. Now, I grew up in Germany, and I'm not saying Germany is perfect; however to my knowledge bribery is not directly legal there.. however it seems that bribery is very deeply implemented in the American politic system.. am I getting that right?
A few questions in that direction:
1) What is the difference between lobbying and bribing?
I'm no expert but my understanding is...

1. Lobbying is persuading. You are not really allowed to give money. It is not always clear though. What if they take you on a golfing vacation to talk?

One person says 'persuading' another says it's 'bribing'. I say the latter. It is pretty much just legalised bribing. The companies or people that donate want their money back in favours or whatnot at some point.
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May 02, 2014, 05:03:55 PM
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supreme court has already decided that money = free speech. it's why the US presidential election cycle lasts 1 year (primaries + main election), and as a candidate you have to start at least 2 years before the election day.
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May 02, 2014, 04:44:49 PM
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I am not an American citizen and I can hardly say that I understand all the fine details within the American politic system. Now, I grew up in Germany, and I'm not saying Germany is perfect; however to my knowledge bribery is not directly legal there.. however it seems that bribery is very deeply implemented in the American politic system.. am I getting that right?
A few questions in that direction:
1) What is the difference between lobbying and bribing?
2) Does one need something like a "lobbying license" or something like that do lobby?
3) The Money which lobbyists give to officials, is that documented somewhere or is it actually "under the table" without any official knowledge of it?
4) Why, even though everybody knows how lobbying affects American politics, does never anybody speak out against it? Why are there no major protests against lobbying?
In short: Why isn't lobbying illegal?

I'm no expert but my understanding is...

1. Lobbying is persuading. You are not really allowed to give money. It is not always clear though. What if they take you on a golfing vacation to talk?

2. Yes, you must be a registered lobbyist. I think at the state and federal level.

3. They should not be giving any money. That is a bribe. They are also audited.

4. It's not the lobbying that is as bad as campaign donations. They have become very corrupt recently. Pure lobbying is just a profession. You pay some expert to meet with politicians and try to convince them of your position. But that lobbyist is not supposed to just pass money to the politician. That is illegal.   
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May 02, 2014, 04:32:07 PM
#1
I am not an American citizen and I can hardly say that I understand all the fine details within the American politic system. Now, I grew up in Germany, and I'm not saying Germany is perfect; however to my knowledge bribery is not directly legal there.. however it seems that bribery is very deeply implemented in the American politic system.. am I getting that right?
A few questions in that direction:
1) What is the difference between lobbying and bribing?
2) Does one need something like a "lobbying license" or something like that do lobby?
3) The Money which lobbyists give to officials, is that documented somewhere or is it actually "under the table" without any official knowledge of it?
4) Why, even though everybody knows how lobbying affects American politics, does never anybody speak out against it? Why are there no major protests against lobbying?
In short: Why isn't lobbying illegal?
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