OP - I was all like TL;DR but then your horrible logic caught my attention, so now it's refuting time. I use strikeout to get rid of filth, garbage, and other meaningless fluff in your original article that doesn't add substance to your original claim of a counter-argument. My comments will be in italics, and I may emphasize my comments with bold in instances where your article is especially badly written (logic not relating at all)
You purport to refute this statement:
There are actually three different reasons to worry about deflation, two on the demand side and one on the supply side.
So first of all: when people expect falling prices, they become less willing to spend, and in particular less willing to borrow…even a zero rate may not be low enough to achieve full employment.
A second effect: even aside from expectations of future deflation, falling prices worsen the position of debtors, by increasing the real burden of their debts.
Finally, in a deflationary economy, wages as well as prices often have to fall – and it’s a fact of life that it’s very hard to cut nominal wages — there’s downward nominal wage rigidity.
Those arguments against deflation are typical Keynesian dogma. In fact I actually wrote out the exact same three arguments before I even read Krugman’s article, but I figured it would be better if I listed them off right from the horse’s mouth.
So let’s address the first argument that people become less willing to spend, and particularly less willing to borrow, and this somehow leads to unemployment.
There will ALWAYS be some unemployment if the economy is not in equilibrium (which it never is, since human desires change over time). As people shift their desires from wanting notebook computers to iPads, some unemployment will result from this. Consider that if the demand for notebooks drops while the demand for iPads increases, notebook producers will end up having to lay people off or go out of business while iPad producers will be hiring more people. The people in transition are going to be unemployed while they look for new work.blah blah blah blah, shifting consumer desires occur under both inflationary and deflationary economies. You don't explain what this has to do with the fact that deflation does not equal reduced spending. At all.But setting that point aside, we have to look at why money undergoes deflation in the first place! It is not surprising that Krugman doesn’t mention the reasons why deflation occurs in a currency.
I'm feeling lonely.. where's the refutement to "So first of all: when people expect falling prices, they become less willing to spend, and in particular less willing to borrow…even a zero rate may not be low enough to achieve full employment." ?[/i] There are basically only two reasons (on a macro scale) why a currency would undergo deflation:
1. The economy is producing more new goods and services at a rate that is above the growth rate of the money supply…. or
2. In a fractional reserve system, debt is being wiped out through widespread bankruptcies.
Consider that in the first case, this is entirely normal and healthy!
No, it's actually not, but you don't live on planet Earth, so that's okay If the money supply is held constant, yet the productive capacity of the economy increases, there will be the same number of dollars chasing more goods. Inflation is the exact opposite of this, whereby same dollars are chasing fewer goods (or more dollars chasing same/less goods). Clearly deflation in this sense is beneficial for consumers.
AHA!! what you're saying is people are wrong about deflation because deflation is good. I know a lot of four year olds that make this argument very convincingly... Pleease give me more chocolate because it's good for me.[/b] We see this taking place in the electronics industry which is largely free from government regulation and subsidies. When competition is fierce, the productive capacity of industry over-rides the inflationary aspects of our fractional reserve economy and we see prices come down as more and more electronic goods are produced more efficiently.
LOL the electronics industry (at least on planet Earth) has operated in an inflationary environment. Whoops.[/b]
Imagine if the electronics industry operated like the government subsidized and regulated healthcare industry.
Anyone notice how the topic of the article has shifted from talking about deflation to talking about regulation? Also, while the author is waaaay off topic, as a side note, the electronics industry is HEAVILY regulated by the IEEE & FCC, so even this straw man is horribly wrong[/i] You would buy all the electronics you could now, because in the future, they would be so expensive you might not be able to afford them! So yeah, in this sense, inflation encourages spending. But clearly this is UNHEALTHY spending caused by people fearing the loss of their purchasing power.
LOL did you just state that inflation encourages spending? What does that infer about the opposite of inflation, e.g. deflation? Please go on and describe why A=B, but ~A =/= ~B LOL[/i]
Inflation creates a fear based economy that motivates people to spend above their means because the future value of their purchasing power is constantly decreasing.
I don't know of anyone who goes about living this way. Most people that I know are competent enough to diversify their assets, so this isn't an issue, plus real inflation is roughly 0-2.5% atm... It would be foolish to try and save money for future expenditures in an inflationary economy, which obviously destroys savings. People who save for their retirement by putting money in a bank would be fools in an inflationary environment.
Assuming zero interest. I get paid a lot of interest for my cash, and I hold a lot of itIn fact if the inflation gets bad enough and interest rates are artificially low, people would be motivated to take out excessive loans and credit card debt to try and get as many things as they could now! Boy that sure sounds like a problem we are all familiar with doesn’t it?
Actually, this is only a problem if there (ironically) aren't enough regulations on the financial industry to prevent fraudulent/excessive/easy loans, and the creation of a deregulated OTC derivatives market (CDO, CDS, MBS, Call/Put)... but I'll agree with you for the sake of making this article complete garbage. Basically, you state that moderate inflation = moderate excess spending, and REALLY high inflation = REALLY excess spending. Using inductive reasoning, let's say A is inflation and B is spending: if A=B and 2A=2B, therefore 0A=0B. A bit of hyperbole, but you get my point - you are indirectly proving the very fact you are trying to dispute!Krugman’s argument that people would be less willing to spend and borrow, and this would lead to unemployment, is as ridiculous as saying that because computers keep getting better and cheaper into the future, people would be less willing to spend money on a computer today because they could simply wait and buy an even better/cheaper computer in the future.
This is partially false - a lot of computer buyers delay purchases to skip a gap in Windows releases, or to wait for the next Intel processor generation... etc. Also, how does this point relate to deflation at all?[/b] That is obviously not how people think. People have needs and desires that have to be met, and they will purchase things as soon as their desire for the product is larger than their desire for future earnings on savings. That, by the way, is how a healthy economy should operate. Notice there is no fear involved. Electronics companies are not going out of business because their products are becoming more abundant and cheaper.
So let us look at Krugman’s second argument that deflation makes debtors worse off.
You did a great job supporting Krugman's first argument by inferring multiple times that inflation increases spending while deflation decreases spending. LOL! Continue 'refuting'... What is left unsaid in this assumption is that debt is a good thing, while saving is a bad thing. Does this make any logical sense to anyone? Consider that if money is undergoing deflation, SAVERS benefit. Shouldn’t the savers naturally benefit more than someone who is putting themselves into debt? Savers are forgoing pleasure in the moment for the expectation of even greater pleasure in the future. This means resources that could be consumed immediately for minimal productive gains are being put aside into bigger projects that could yield even greater gains in the future. Savings is what builds strong economic foundations. If the US wasn’t so wildly in debt at the moment we would be in a better economic position with larger prospects for growth!
Where in this paragraph do you talk about debts becoming easier to pay off in a deflationary economy? I think saving's a good thing, but what does Saving-Is-Good have to do with addressing Krugman's point?[/i]
But also let us consider the impacts of deflation on interest rates. People who lend and borrow money will know that money will be worth more in the future if the money supply remains constant (like Bitcoins) yet the productive capacity of the economy continues to increase. This leads to falling interest rates. Interest rates will naturally come down in a deflationary environment because savings will increase, thereby making more money available to banks to lend.
But you just said in the previous paragraph that less lending is good![/i] When banks have a lot of people saving money with them, they will lower rates naturally. This is in contrast to our present situation where rates are low strictly because the Fed is artificially depressing them by paying banks NOT to lend and by buying up government bonds.
oic, a Fed hater.. Libertarians hate feds like feminists hate men, I guess[/i]
Distortion of interest rates by the Fed also has other deleterious effects on the structure of production that I will not get into here, but according to Austrian Business Cycle Theory, inflation and its distortion of interest rates is the primary driver of business cycles. Learn more about it by watching
this video by Professor Roger Garrison.
Which situation sounds healthier to you? Low interest rates because a lot of people are saving money or low interest rates because the Fed is artificially depressing them with tax payer money?
So let us address Krugman’s final argument
I'm going to give you 50% odds at this point that you'll either accidentally support Krugman or just go off on a wild fed-hating-meaningless tangent here[/i] that wages face downward rigidity which makes it more difficult for employers to adjust to the money that is gaining in value.
Consider if you were in this situation:
Your employer gathers up all the employees for a conference and tells you that because the economy is so productive
Aw, really? Give me ONE historical instance where GDP increased rapidly during a period of deflation. One. and that the value of money is going up so much, that he is going to have to furlough the workforce to deal with the appreciating currency.
But doesn't furlough decrease productivity? So what you're saying is, deflation decreases economic activity?[/i]
From your perspective, you are getting more time off while your income remains exactly the same in terms of purchasing power. Who doesn’t want that? Further, consider that if you don’t get a raise every year, YOU STILL GET A RAISE! Employers don’t necessarily have to cut wages; they can cut hours or simply not give raises yet people would still be better off than they were the year before.
But let’s say the economy is so productive that money gains so much value that employers are simply forced to cut wages – if this was the case, would anyone seriously give a damn?
Yeah, most people have loans which can't be easily modified and have to be paid back over 5, 10, or 30 years. If your income decreases from $3000 a month to $2500 a month due to a pay cut, and you have been paying a $1000/mo mortgage, $250/mo. car payment, plus student loans...[/i] We would be living in a nirvana society that had absolutely ridiculous amounts of abundance.
Only if there was zero debt, since I just proved debt is bad in deflation...[/i] Women could stay home to take care of the kids, one man could provide all the income necessary to take care of his family and still retire, kids wouldn’t have to work three jobs to put themselves through school, etc… etc… etc…
ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAPPENED AFTER THE U.S. LEVERAGED AT 140%+GDP AROUND WORLD WAR II, THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF YOUR ARGUMENT[/i]
Less people would need to work in such an economy (like they did in the 50s and 60s) which would relieve the need of employers to cut wages.
LOLOLOLOL[/i]
Oh yes, one more thing. I suppose I should address the second cause of deflation other than increasing productivity while the money supply remains constant – and that is a deflationary default spiral that results from the unwinding of a Ponzi scheme. This is the real reason why Keynesian economists fear monger about deflation. Since in our crazy society, money IS debt, if debtors get themselves into a position where they are so over-leveraged that they are forced into bankruptcy, it can cause a cascading series of defaults that wipe out the banking industry (along with the government and its welfare/warfare state). As debt gets wiped out, the money supply decreases which leads to deflation.
This only happens when you libertarian nutjobs get your way and have a deregulated financial sector.[/i]
Keynesian economists have to continually fear monger about deflation because even a tiny amount of it could wipe out our Ponzi debt based economy, and thereby wipe out their fat government aid fueled paychecks. To learn more about the scam that is our debt based economy, check out The Case Against The Fed. It offers a clear picture of how the modern banking system operates and why it was created. If you are looking for something slightly more entertaining, yet still informative, check out The American Dream. It is gives a great overview of what fractional reserve banking is and why it is nothing more than a Ponzi scheme. get your garbage links outta here![/i]
Keynesian economists like Krugman don’t have your best interests in mind when they argue against deflation. They are far more concerned about keeping the welfare/warfare state alive and well, along with their own paychecks.
If only Krugman wrote articles as badly as you did.[/i]
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