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Topic: Why NXT is such at low price if it's that amazing ? :(((((((( - page 2. (Read 3552 times)

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Just because Ripple is centralized makes it becoming very very useless compared to bitcoin, like a huge step backward.


So would a "decentralized Ripple" be a "huge step forward compared to bitcoin" ?

Well... Yeah ?

I mean, Ripple is like all altcoins that are more btc clones, it has plenty of advantages compared to bitcoin. Bitcoin is highly overated now compared to most of alts, so if any of these alt would replace btc it would be a step forward in my opinion. If you add to this the centralized thing to Ripple, the balance is not equal and this disadvantage weigh more than the advantages.

Even if, as you said, people would more use Ripple than NXT (for exemple), which is very possible I trust you, it still does not make it a better coin. This is not the spirit Satoshi wanted to carry with bitcoin, not at all. I don't think he would be glad if coins like Ripple succeed.

Other thing, I don't think touching Wall Street traders is the first aim for a cryptocurrency. In my opinion it should in fact be the lasts, Public awarness will make traders use a cryptocurrency. People would like to buy things easily in a safe way, 99,9% of the world population has absolutly no idea how big things in Wall Street works, including me in fact. It represents propably less than 0.001% of the population (not including peoples who are never going to use any cryptocurrency in this century obviously, same for a computer).
What I wanted to say is that I don't think Wall Street and big marketplaces are a good argument Smiley


 
This is my opinion as a crypto noob, not saying this is the truth, but it seems pretty logic to me. Maybe i'm wrong, I'm just talking friendly here, feel free to correct my talks, I'd be glad !
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a lot of people are bailing from crypto. Holding out hope for real dev teams like Ethereum, NEM, Storj, Counterparty and Nectar to turn things around.

People just want to do fun stuff with their crypto.  Bitcoin and Litecoin are boring with huge block times.  I tried NXT and Counterparty decentralized exchanges, and they are cool.  Way funner and more interesting than bitcoin and Litecoin.  

But the moment I made a transaction on Ripple and it was executed as fast as E-Trade, I realized that Ripple was the front runner to disintermediate Wall Street because it felt like I was on Wall Street.  That is why it is #2 in the world right now.

People got rich on Bitcoin because it disintermediated Western Union.

If you want your coin's market cap to hit $1 billion, then your coin must disintermediate some business.

What business model is your coin disrupting?  Ripple is looking to disintermediate Wall Street because its transactions are as fast as Wall Street's.  If your coin's transaction times are not as fast as E-Trade's then your coin is not going to take much of their pie.

Ripple's only 2 downsides are that it is centralized and has counterparty risk which BitShares solves while keeping those E-Trade speed block times.  Yet BitShares trades at roughly 2x Stellar (which is still centralized with counterparty risk).  Talk about cheap.  

NXT is cheap too, but I don't know what particular business it is currently disrupting (providing an equal or better experience).  People don't really care about privacy or centralization, in fact, they like trusting people like the Winklevii who are competing with Ripple as the fast front end when trading bitcoins.  BitShares is competing with them too at the same transaction speed, but you also get a trustless environment where you cannot get Goxed.

Ripple and BitShares are the top 2.0 coins because they feel like E-Trade.  NXT and XCP are competing for a different market, I'm not sure what that market is, but it ain't the Wall Street HFT environment.  

Traders are high octane people who don't have time to wait because time is money.  Do you think that the Wolf cares that his trading platform is centralized?  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVJYS1L1snA

Hell no, that is why he will be using Ripple and not BitShares, NXT, or XCP.  Just a few months ago, Ripple was like 1/50 of bitcoin's market cap.  a few weeks ago it was like 1/4.  

People talk a lot about NXT and BTS, but they overlook Ripple which is the benchmark for Wall Street disintermediation.


Now if they are looking to snatch a piece of some other business pie, then I'd love to hear the pitch....

Just because Ripple is centralized don't mean that people don't love it.  I thought that the MT Gox incident would drive people to BitShares and NXT, then after BitStamp, I thought the same thing, but the bottom line is that only Libertarian freaks (NXT,BTC,BTS) care about decentralization and privacy.  Which is why Rand Paul coin got invented.

So what we are all saying is that if Ripple was decentralized and counterparty risk free, then there would not be any need for NXT or XCP or BTS.   I sure as hell wouldn't own anything else.


Just because Ripple is centralized makes it becoming very very useless compared to bitcoin, like a huge step backward.
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wtf why


because a lot of people are bailing from crypto. Holding out hope for real dev teams like Ethereum, NEM, Storj, Counterparty and Nectar to turn things around (NXT seems good too, but all that talk of bad distribution has been a real noose around its neck). Otherwise, it's a desert out there - too many people have been scammed, too many broken promises. And bitcoin's not making any real headway in consumer adoption.

That sums up the crypto world now.
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Nope.  The ironic thing is that many of the NXT whales itself didn't believe enough in NXT to hold it, hence them dumping each time NXT shows any indication of a rebound, and yet you expect others to believe?   Cheesy

 and this has been demonstrated / repeated several times and it has all but scared away any potential buyers.  Proof of Beluga Caviar.

Why whales? I thought you got less than 1 million NXT after selling stolen NEM stakes (when you was posting under UtopianFuture nick). Luckily your sockpuppetry was revealed much earlier than you expected...
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You are what you eat. PIZZA!
Its not such a low price with a shed load of coins, Node also has 1 billion coins have you seen the price of that coin which is a very good coin
legendary
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Why would they give favourable press coverage to a coin which is plagued with large scale thefts and manipulation?  As Jeff Garzik said:  there is a probable backdoor in NxT

Do you mean Jeff "Hashes-do-not-match" Garzik? Hahaha, you must be kidding.
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You  may hate coindesk, but you can't deny it's one the main press source for people in crypto world

Why should I hate Coindesk, it's their business model - to sell their body.
Main press source for people is New York Times. Cryptogeeks use Twitter and read articles on all crypto-related sites.
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4/These stakeholders got a huge ROI, some had more than 10 million coin and still have it whereas they could sold it for almost 1 million $ at the higher price, so I guess they truly believe in the technology for just hodl.




Nope.  The ironic thing is that many of the NXT whales itself didn't believe enough in NXT to hold it, hence them dumping each time NXT shows any indication of a rebound, and yet you expect others to believe?   Cheesy

 and this has been demonstrated / repeated several times and it has all but scared away any potential buyers.  Proof of Beluga Caviar.

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The only bad thing about NXT is his bad press look at coindesk almost no article about NXT.

It's good that Coindesk doesn't publish articles about Nxt. For money you can **** Coindesk in any position from Kama Sutra, if you think that an article in Coindesk would be good for marketing then think again.  Cheesy


You  may hate coindesk, but you can't deny it's one the main press source for people in crypto world

Since I have seen how they ommit NXT I understand they are really partial and I get my crypto information on other sources now.

But anyway a lot of investors read coindesk and only coindesk and thus won't invest in NXT until they read other press.



Why would they give favourable press coverage to a coin which is plagued with large scale thefts and manipulation?  As Jeff Garzik said:  there is a probable backdoor in NxT
legendary
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For money you can **** Coindesk in any position from Kama Sutra, if you think that an article in Coindesk would be good for marketing then think again.  Cheesy

The four asterisks make your statement so much more diplomatic  Wink
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wtf why

Amazing? 100% premined coin was selling for 200 satoshi in Jan 2014.

Quiz of the day:
how can a coin be premined if there is no mining in this coin?
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The only bad thing about NXT is his bad press look at coindesk almost no article about NXT.

It's good that Coindesk doesn't publish articles about Nxt. For money you can **** Coindesk in any position from Kama Sutra, if you think that an article in Coindesk would be good for marketing then think again.  Cheesy


You  may hate coindesk, but you can't deny it's one the main press source for people in crypto world

Since I have seen how they ommit NXT I understand they are really partial and I get my crypto information on other sources now.

But anyway a lot of investors read coindesk and only coindesk and thus won't invest in NXT until they read other press.

legendary
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The only bad thing about NXT is his bad press look at coindesk almost no article about NXT.

It's good that Coindesk doesn't publish articles about Nxt. For money you can **** Coindesk in any position from Kama Sutra, if you think that an article in Coindesk would be good for marketing then think again.  Cheesy
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I dicovered bitcoin around 18 month ago, and as a lot of people I was thinking that NXT was a scam mostly due to this distribution (21 btc).

Few month ago I was attracted by NXT because of some assets like supernet, indeed NXT is not only a better bitcoin (POS / security / quick transaction etc...)

It is also a living economy where you can buy some asset really easily and invest in some companies to become shareholder in a decentralised way.

This feature is not that old and right now a lot of companies got funds in NXT and converted them in $ which create a sell pressure.

When these companies will start to make profits they will have to pay dividends in NXT so they will need to buy NXT with their $ which will create a buy pressure.

That's one of the reasons the price is going down nowadays.

About the "unfair distribution" I was thinking about it and finally came to the conclusion that it was not such a bad way actually.

1/ IPO last 2 months so it's complicated to complain about it.

2/Creator asked for 21 btc, would it be better if he asked for 1000 btc? I don't think so....that just prove he was not looking for a quick profit.

3/Because of this IPO most of the big stakeholder are active in the community and it mostly people who understood the coin before it was released.

4/These stakeholders got a huge ROI, some had more than 10 million coin and still have it whereas they could sold it for almost 1 million $ at the higher price, so I guess they truly believe in the technology for just hodl.

Now we can just all regret to not have been in this IPO, but if you tried the wallet you just cannot say it's a scam or anything else like this.

About the community in NXT, it is much more mature than other altcoin , they're not just waiting for some pumps and saying all the time "to da moon".

People in NXT community are trying to improve the features of the wallet and the coin itself, some other try to build some copmaines inside NXT etc...

The only bad thing about NXT is his bad press look at coindesk almost no article about NXT.

Just for exemple look at the thread about supernet, it's an asset of NXT, more than 200.000 reads and more than 5000 bitcoin invested if I'm right, 0 article on coindesk Wink

Anyway NXT could be the new bitcoin as like bitcoin few years ago people did not understood his potential...

I am not a spammer of NXT, you can check on my profile this is my 1st post on NXT and my account is more than a year old.


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wtf why

Amazing? 100% premined coin was selling for 200 satoshi in Jan 2014.
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Most people seem to think that their coin is under priced. Most people, however, are wrong.

NXT is supposed to be the nextgen coin with a new system right ?
No. "No one" cares about Bitcoin yet, why should they even care about an altcoin.
If NXT is a success Bitcoin needs to be a success first.

Imo, Nxt do not need bitcoin to sucess. Altouht it would certainly help.

IMO everything catches a cold when bitcoin crashes. Everything needs bitcoin to be a success.
hero member
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Most people seem to think that their coin is under priced. Most people, however, are wrong.

NXT is supposed to be the nextgen coin with a new system right ?
No. "No one" cares about Bitcoin yet, why should they even care about an altcoin.
If NXT is a success Bitcoin needs to be a success first.

Imo, Nxt do not need bitcoin to sucess. Altouht it would certainly help.
legendary
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Most people seem to think that their coin is under priced. Most people, however, are wrong.

NXT is supposed to be the nextgen coin with a new system right ?
No. "No one" cares about Bitcoin yet, why should they even care about an altcoin.
If NXT is a success Bitcoin needs to be a success first.
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At least two new Core devs have joined Nxt (Roberto, Yudi and team). That takes us to 11+ now  Cool
https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/(core)-dev-team-increase/

Who is paying these guys, and how much money are they making? 


Read the thread.

The devs are implementing the features needed to run their business, DeBuNe. The business, they hope, will make money.

Many guys approach Nxt, wanting to use it for thier business. Here is another who plans to be making 10,000 Txs a second, using Nxt as the backbone of their network: https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/maximum-block-size-is-too-restrictive/


Roberto and Yudi happen to want to build in core features they need, rather use ones that already exist. And more power to them  Grin
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I see, thanks for your awnser.

But why should I be jealous, I don't understand this way of thinking.
How much did they pay per NXT ? 1 sat ? o_O
2 sat
Now calculate the price of bitcoins mined in 2010... there should be some lucky people, shouldn't?
I wouldn't wanted to mean you're jealous, I mean many people are jealous

Of course buddy don't worry ^^
Just wanted to say jealous ppl are just stupid, they just haven't been at the right place at the right moment that's all Smiley.

About the 2sat, is this serious ?

21 btc were invested, 1B Nxt was distributed.

XD

Why the hell did they do that ? ;_;

I guess no one actually believed that BCNext was actually making what he claimed.

All I know is that when I first saw the NXT website and read the features, my first thought was 'too good to be true'.

When I saw the original Nxt ANN thread here on bitcointalk, I immediately sold my miner (it's in my post history). The idea was just too good for my miner.

Ahah I understand you buddy ! I wonder what the price is going to be in one year... Maybe the same !

NXT seems like to be like a 2020's investment !
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