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hero member
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If people are sending those bitcoins to that address then it does mean that no one would be using those coins for a really really long time which does mean that they can used to provide stability to the whole bitcoin network, they can be termed as *lost coins* but this time they are also as a *thank you* gift to Mr. Satoshi who might use them whenever he wants.

Just look at the positive side. They are making the network, stronger, more stable, showing appreciation is actually good. Why do you think people give money to Churches etc ? To pay respects right? In our world, paying respect for many people is very much equivalent to paying the entity cash or any investment, the people responsible for their good fortune or someone they might show appreciation to. ( Very common in certain cultures as well)
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Up to 68.52796861 BTC now.. My guess would be that people do this as a "thank you" or for good luck. There are lots of superstitious people out there and lots who have gotten rich because of bitcoins. Maybe they feel contributing some back (maybe even X amount of each transaction they do with bitcoins) will bring them continued success and prosperity. Who really knows...Maybe it's Satoshi burning is own coins, lol..
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There is maybe not any real reason for transferring bitcoins to this address, that's just like some people throwing money into fountains and there is not any reason for it to make sense, or these bitcoins they send to this address can be some kind of appreciation to satoshi for his works, however, these coins are very much valuable and considering the current price of bitcoin, this can be still not normal to see people are doing this to their money and throw their money into this address, or in another theory, this can be some kind of bitcoin burn buy people who own lots of bitcoins.
legendary
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Yeah I have never understood why people would simply throw away money. As others have stated this kind of feels like the same type of thing as people throwing coins in a wishing well (which is also ridiculous). Personally I’d never waste a cent (I literally pick all monies up off the ground dirty or otherwise), but to each is own. Okay
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Interesting that's a very good point it's true people might be thinking may be Satoshi will send them something back.
But people indeed have been sending bitcoins to this address like a wishing well.
It's been discussed on bitcointalk since 2012 or may be even earlier.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/its-good-luck-to-tip-the-satosh-via-the-wisdom-well-70553

Thanks for the interesting information, it seems that the whole thing already has a historical context and we could call it Satoshi digital fountain of luck⛲ The need for people to be connected to the creator in some way is stronger even than the potential profits that some have obviously sacrificed - although in 2012 there were very few people who could even imagine how much the price of BTC would increase in the future.

My idea is actually based on the fact that some believe that Satoshi will one day show up and share his BTC, and some certainly believe that this way is good for drawing attention to them. However, from everything written here, it can be concluded that one day someone could still discover a way to get possession of these coins - and then no one will be able to claim that he is Satoshi, because most people who participated in the development of BTC will likely to be dead by then.
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Regarding quantum computers and if they able to break Bitcoin cryptography, do you still think bitcoin would be worth any thing?
... And once quantum computers can break elliptic curve multiplication, ...
Not only quantum computers, it is also possible, that they will find a way to calculate secp256k1 curve faster. Some are trying to find a way:

Calculating Satoshi's coins
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57395610
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Satoshi mined, and he mined a lot to let the network run. And the mined coins he marked.

Think of it as sunken ships with these mined coins as their cargo.

And we want to salve these ships and recover the coins.
legendary
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Regarding quantum computers and if they able to break Bitcoin cryptography, do you still think bitcoin would be worth any thing?
We will fork to a quantum resistant algorithm long before quantum computers pose a serious threat. And once quantum computers can break elliptic curve multiplication, then pretty much the entire internet will be at risk. If bitcoin isn't worth anything, then neither will fiat.

Once vulnerable coins are stolen and dumped on the market, then the price will certainly take a hit, but it will be temporary and bitcoin will not become worthless.

The danger with quantum computers concerns only those abandoned P2PK addresses most of which are doomed to be emptied maliciously in the future.
It concerns all coins in addresses with exposed public keys, which includes many reused addresses.
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Someone sent full 4 BTC in 2013-01-27, as of today it worth $190,747.60, that must be the highest wishing well donation ever.
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/db9e8d8a112437a5fc620c969cc76f3683e98475737c286d62002369f0f46fe5


Found another transaction sending ~39 bitcoins, but not sure if this one counts.

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At the time of this transaction, 38.97634708 BTC was sent with a value of $218.46. The current value of this transaction is now $1,838,830.00.

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/0590c372e7b90c5cc17855ac444032ba7726eb559bb9cf488e38fa6cdc4fcc40
legendary
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Regarding quantum computers and if they able to break Bitcoin cryptography, do you still think bitcoin would be worth any thing? Also I do believe since its an open source before "quantum supremacy" is reached a simple soft fork to bitcoin will be a click away.
Obviously and we will switch to a quantum resistant algorithm before it's too late. I keep reading these hypothesis' where quantum computers become strong enough to make bitcoin worthless. Bitcoin is a consensus-based project. We aren't left to the sake of God; we're fixing whatever doesn't work.

The danger with quantum computers concerns only those abandoned P2PK addresses most of which are doomed to be emptied maliciously in the future.
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Do you think that quantum computer will come into existence in the nearest future
Talking about quantum computers capable of solving the ECDLP and recovering/stealing lost coins. In the near future? Absolutely not. At some point in the future? Almost certainly.

Only coins which have been sent to outputs which cannot be spent, such as OP_RETURN outputs, are provably lost. Coins sent to burn addresses or lost addresses with no known private keys are not provably lost and may be recovered in the future. It will take decades or more, but we cannot say these coins are "frozen forever", as OP did.

If ever this happens that you are able to recover the coins from the burn addresses or reserves the transactions or find the private keys through Quantum computers, consider that time to be the end of the bitcoin and crypto currencies.

By that time, maybe we have something more secure which we are not aware of yet, but as of todays knowledge, any manipulation in the bitcoin blockchain will send bitcoin back to 100$ per coin.  Sad
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What I would add as a reason is that some may think that Satoshi will one day show up and send them something back

Interesting that's a very good point it's true people might be thinking may be Satoshi will send them something back.

But people indeed have been sending bitcoins to this address like a wishing well.

It's been discussed on bitcointalk since 2012 or may be even earlier.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/its-good-luck-to-tip-the-satosh-via-the-wisdom-well-70553

And the address for the 50 BTC generated is here:
 - http://blockexplorer.com/address/1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa
Not only has that coin not been spent, it has received nearly a dozen "tips", adding more than .11 BTC to its balance.

Others have done it, so why not consider doing it for the luck of it.
Make a wish when you tip The Satosh via the Wisdom Well. Possibly the only wishing well on the internet that may never be converted to fiat.
~Bruno~

and yes many followed and tipped some bitcoins

I sent ~.0268 yesterday.
Satoshi, I wish you'd buy my house.  Tongue

I've tipped The Satosh 0.0424242 BTC, then declared my wish:

Someone sent full 4 BTC in 2013-01-27, as of today it worth $190,747.60, that must be the highest wishing well donation ever.
https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/db9e8d8a112437a5fc620c969cc76f3683e98475737c286d62002369f0f46fe5



Another interesting thing on 25 Feb, 2021 in Coinbase IPO official SEC filing they mentioned this address under Satoshi Nakamoto


https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1679788/000162828021013355/coinbase-possx1.htm


but we cannot say these coins are "frozen forever", as OP did.

Well to be honest I said that based on the facts and Satoshi's nature, since he did not move his coins in 12 years. I'm aware that Satoshi created his first wallet he must have access to it too but is he going to spend it? I think no.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks so.

Possibly the only wishing well on the internet that may never be converted to fiat.

has anyone ever thought of the possibility that the coins are just lost. its very likely satoshi will never get them.

Possibly the only wishing well on the internet that may never be converted to fiat.


Now I'm feeling urge to send some sats a Satoshi.


Regarding quantum computers and if they able to break Bitcoin cryptography, do you still think bitcoin would be worth any thing? Also I do believe since its an open source before "quantum supremacy" is reached a simple soft fork to bitcoin will be a click away.


sr. member
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It is probably just to say thank you to Satoshi. And many are probably just sending little amounts just to feel something in sending Bitcoin to the one and only founder. The amounts being sent are noticeably small ones. Many are just hundreds or a few thousands sats. Others seem to be just dust amounts. It's just that with so many transactions the amount accumulated so big that it has even reached tens of Bitcoin in total.
legendary
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This could be someone desperate like Craig Wright Faketoshi doing some next level mind games, sending few sats to original Satoshi address just so he can later claim he send it to himself.
If you think this sounds to crazy than you don't know Faketoshi and what he is capable of doing, just to get recognition for being a Bitcoin creator.
He lost his first court battle against COPA and more of them are coming in January so anything is possible from him including throwing away some of his money.
I didn't conduct any deeper transaction analysis, and it's possible that other people are doing us a favor burning more bitcoin every day.


https://blockpath.com/search/addr?q=1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa
https://www.breadcrumbs.app/reports/1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa/
legendary
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Why do people through money in to wells, fountains, or other water features? Why do people send coins to any "burn" address?

Maybe as "thank you" or other tribute to Satoshi. Maybe for luck. Maybe just to they can they say they gifted some satoshis to Satoshi. Maybe as a symbolic sacrifice to pave the way for $100k.
It's a good list, but there are some nuances I'd like to mention. For example, when money is thrown into fountains, it often goes to charities. It's, of course, not the reason people throw money into fountains, but still, it doesn't really get taken out of supply. As for sending coins to 'burn' addresses, sometimes people actually do it as a way of getting some shitcoins that use a 'proof of burn' protocol (you burn BTC and get these shitcoins instead). So this action might have a purpose, although probably doesn't cover all cases when people send money to such places. As for a thank you, I think it's probably the main reason. Also, I do hope Satoshi will be able to use them one day.
hero member
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This is interesting this is the first time to see the first Bitcoin wallet and I'm not really aware and come to my mind to look for it in few years. I think the reason is that maybe as a form of thank you or some kind of good luck or ritual, as what I see they only send few amounts so it's more like a wishing well or thank you well or something like that.
legendary
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This is the first bitcoin wallet 1A1zP1eP5QGefi2DMPTfTL5SLmv7DivfNa created by Satoshi and first block reward of 50 BTC was sent to this address.

Although we don't know if this wallet created or if it was randomly hardcoded without any private key, since the this 50BTC can't be spent. But for sure we know any coins sent to this address will be frozen forever.

I'm wondering why is this address still receiving transactions from random people like almost every day. Is it not like burning your bitcoins?





Could it be that the Creator is having fun in this way out of the boredom of waiting for ToTheMoon?  Smiley 

Is there an owner from this forum among these transactions? Maybe they will voice the reason for their actions.

Do you think that quantum computer will come into existence in the nearest future
Talking about quantum computers capable of solving the ECDLP and recovering/stealing lost coins. In the near future? Absolutely not. At some point in the future? Almost certainly.

At this point, half of forum members had their one’s hair stands like a mountain.  Smiley
legendary
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so it'd be really idiotic on behalf of them to spend from it.
At the end of the day, Satoshi's coins can be used in any way that Satoshi chooses. If those coins are held on P2PK addresses until they are stolen by quantum computers, so be it. If Satoshi decides to dump them all on the market at once, so be it. If Satoshi decides to move them around just to freak people out for the lulz, so be it. As with all bitcoin, the owner can do whatever they like with their coins, regardless of how it will affect the rest of us and regardless of what we think.

Can you imagine consolidating 3,177 UTXO?
There have been bigger: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/54bf51be42ff45cdf8217b07bb233466e18d23fd66483b12449cd9b99c3a0545
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I'm convinced this won't happen within this or the next decade. There may be FUDs, but it won't realistically threaten Bitcoin to the point they will start reversing public keys.
Almost certainly, won't happen in the next ten years. Several decades to have a quantum computer capable. Then, it likely wouldn't be the priority of such a device to attack Bitcoin, and would likely be limited to government. Its likely that it wouldn't be a direct attack on Bitcoin, but rather the addresses being considered insecure once the device is around, since it could be attacked at any point.

Despite the FUD going around, quantum computers are no where near threatening Bitcoin, and if we consider the pace that the development of quantum computers is going at, it definitely won't be in the next ten years.
legendary
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Satoshi still owns the private key and any other coins sent to that address could be spent in the future.
However, we hope they don't. That would really upset the market. They probably own a much larger amount of money than those 18.5 BTC, so it'd be really idiotic on behalf of them to spend from it.

Can you imagine consolidating 3,177 UTXO? The transaction will take a block itself.  Tongue

Do you think that quantum computer will come into existence in the nearest future
I'm convinced this won't happen within this or the next decade. There may be FUDs, but it won't realistically threaten Bitcoin to the point they will start reversing public keys.
staff
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This does not come under the definition of donation. Sending your bitcoin to an inactive address means that you are throwing away your money.
Better give that money to some poor or the needy , rather than sending them to this address  Sad
Technically, assuming that the address will never be accessed again (though read the above response by o_e_l_e_o ), you could argue that it's a donation to the rest of the Bitcoin network by reducing the total amount of Bitcoin, therefore in theory making everyone's Bitcoin more valuable in the long run.

Though, that's probably not the reason they're sending Bitcoin to the address. I imagine its for telling the story at the local pub.
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