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legendary
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September 19, 2012, 02:35:01 PM
#10
Huh ?

It's just  a greedy race for money.

If I had a 60GH asic today; I would earn 30 BTC a day i.e. $10,000 a month.

Now wonder why everyone wants one.
What, exactly, is your definition of greed?  Is wanting money a bad thing?

Money is certainly the main incentive for INDIVIDUALS to invest in ASICs, but as a COMMUNITY, the reason we should support investments into ASICs is to further protect the network.


Thanks for your answers... So, are we as a community then responsible for bailing out failing MINER enterprises?
What? This made no sense. I think you should read a bit more.

Yes, it made sense. It just feels like and attacker an community have different objectives (No, doh!)
BUt consider this scenario...

The attacker has enough resources to build a network of the BTC size. To get it this 1% to take over, it compromises a "legit" mining operation.
The owners of the operation do not have enough money to address the issue.

It seems like bail out is needed, or some sort of insurance...
Yes, this would be a risk.  This is also why lots of people start making an outcry when a single pool holds a large percentage of total hashing power.  If the single pool controlled more than 50% of the total hashing power, it would indeed become a central point of failure.

But, at this point, an attacker would have to compromise the top 5 pools to have > 51% of the total hashing power (see the chart here: http://bitcoincharts.com/), which would undoubtedly be an extremely difficult thing to do.  On top of that, as soon as members of the pool knew it was compromised, they'd simply switch to a different pool, leaving the attacker without the hashing power he needs to continue carrying out the attack.
hero member
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September 19, 2012, 02:28:00 PM
#9
Huh ?

It's just  a greedy race for money.

If I had a 60GH asic today; I would earn 30 BTC a day i.e. $10,000 a month.

Now wonder why everyone wants one.

Well, if you think it is then consider what I am highlighting is an undesirable side effect. Not sure if it needs to be addressed though. (Basically need help thinking it through)
hero member
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September 19, 2012, 02:20:36 PM
#8
Thanks for your answers... So, are we as a community then responsible for bailing out failing MINER enterprises?
What? This made no sense. I think you should read a bit more.

Yes, it made sense. It just feels like and attacker an community have different objectives (No, doh!)
BUt consider this scenario...

The attacker has enough resources to build a network of the BTC size. To get it this 1% to take over, it compromises a "legit" mining operation.
The owners of the operation do not have enough money to address the issue.

It seems like bail out is needed, or some sort of insurance...
hero member
Activity: 728
Merit: 540
September 19, 2012, 02:19:37 PM
#7
Huh ?

It's just  a greedy race for money.

If I had a 60GH asic today; I would earn 30 BTC a day i.e. $10,000 a month.

Now wonder why everyone wants one.
full member
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Merit: 101
September 19, 2012, 02:19:14 PM
#6
I've been reading peoples' thoughts around the forum quite a lot lately.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!

legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1005
September 19, 2012, 02:11:42 PM
#5
Thanks for your answers... So, are we as a community then responsible for bailing out failing MINER enterprises?
No, but we as a community are responsible for making sure a malicious entity doesn't take over the network.
hero member
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September 19, 2012, 01:50:55 PM
#4
Thanks for your answers... So, are we as a community then responsible for bailing out failing MINER enterprises?
legendary
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Merit: 1005
September 19, 2012, 01:45:12 PM
#3
A malicious entity could engineer and produce their own ASIC, build enough of them that they have 90% of the overall hashpower, then put them online.  From that point on, until the Bitcoin community could produce their own ASIC to compete, the malicious entity could do whatever they like, including reversing all blocks mined by others and never including transactions in their blocks.

So, by having our own ASICs, we will increase difficulty a great deal, and the difficulty of a malicious entity pulling off such an attack would greatly increase (along with the cost of doing so).
donator
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September 19, 2012, 01:42:46 PM
#2
It's an arms race with potential attackers. An attacker needs to have more hashrate than the rest of the network and will invest in ASIC to that end; if we hope to compete we'd better have ASIC as well.
hero member
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September 19, 2012, 01:40:57 PM
#1
Hey, all,

I've been reading peoples' thoughts around the forum quite a lot lately.
I still don't quite understand why investing into ASIC is important for BTC future.
If it's lack of my understanding how Bitcoin network operates then please point it out.

Here is what is clear to me, Bitcoin difficulty scales proportionally to the amount of hashing power there is.
So it seems like the whole point of investing into ASIC is to raise difficulty so there is no competition.
I do not feel that's really the case.

Will someone share what they think is going on here...

Thanks!



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